Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Yellow Snow EP

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Ras Kass. MBisanz talk 00:51, 15 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The Yellow Snow EP

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I can't find reliable sources to showcase notability and, also, this EP was released for free [I got the EP today for free here] so it surely didn't charted [and as a result, is not eligible for certifications]. — ṞṈ™ 00:53, 31 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep As far as I know if the artist(s) rate an article and meet the notability guidelines, then the album and/or single article(s) are also keepers. I have issues with this, along with artists that suddenly become notable because their record label rated an article, but that's a rant for another time. The best you're going to get is a merge or redirect, although given the amount of info already in the article that also seems unlikely. §FreeRangeFrog 01:13, 31 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    If an artist is notable, that doesn't mean that all of their albums are notable too. Albums and singles have their separate criteria. Remember that notability is not inherited. I think that at most, this would be a redirect, but not a keep neither a merge. — ṞṈ™ 01:21, 31 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Hmpf, you might want to talk to a few people that watch over their fav artists' articles, then. §FreeRangeFrog 01:37, 31 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    I didn't understand what are you trying to say, but it doesn't address anything. Please, elaborate further so that I can understand better your rationale. Of course you are not bound to, but it will help the closing admin. Regards. — ṞṈ™ 02:57, 31 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    It has been my experience in the past that people who 'own' article sets dedicated to a particular artist have argued successfully that an album or single merits a standalone article simply because the artist does. In some cases the argument has been that the artist's main or discography page has gotten "too long" and it was necessary to break it out, etc. In other words, the argument that the artist's notability automatically extends to the entirety of his or her work has been used to prevent articles like these from being deleted. §FreeRangeFrog 16:50, 31 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Well, as a common music article creator and with a long experience on music notability, I can say that your experience or 1) has been very short or 2) has been in the wrong place. Whatever a wikipedian might say (that "the discography is too long" or another commentary, for example) that does not assess notability is invalid. Notability is not inherited. We cannot simply have a standalone article for a free EP that hasn't been covered by the media, or hasn't charted, or hasn't been certified, or whatever. We barely know this EP exists because it was promoted by its author and because several webpages mentions it. I am a musician too and I have released 7 singles and 3 extended plays so far, and in my personal opinion, none of them are notable enough to have an article. — ṞṈ™ 08:00, 3 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Simply holds no notability. A free EP that can't chart due to being, well, free. Zac (talk · contribs) 02:59, 31 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect to Ras Kass, standard procedure for non-notable albums/EPs. (A free release can be notable if it gets multiple reviews or other coverage, but I can't see any substantial coverage, just links to downloads/streaming of this recording). --Colapeninsula (talk) 13:59, 31 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep There are several examples of articles about free EPs from different artists included in WP, and not deleted. I suppose that charting is not the only way to achieve notability, as many records had not charted in their release but became hits later for different reasons. If we adhere to that criteria in this case, the Ras Kass discography would have perhaps only two LPs, as the rest did not charted. Same would happen with several other artist. What I dont see logic or fair is that in comparison other artists articles had any minor single with its own page, with the excuse of having charted. The cited article also gives a continuity to the Ras Kass discography. Regards.--HCPUNXKID (talk) 20:29, 31 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Your argument is pure WP:OTHERCRAP and therefore should be withdrawn. Qworty (talk) 02:52, 1 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, there are several ways to make a free EP notable apart from charting, like: it got a very controversial cover, was released by a famous artist and contains very controversial lyrics, received reviews from music journalists, etc. But sadly, this EP meets none of them. — ṞṈ™ 01:25, 1 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete for abysmally failing WP:NALBUMS. Qworty (talk) 02:53, 1 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. — Frankie (talk) 18:30, 1 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Wifione Message 04:12, 7 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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