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Please leave a message on my talk page (here) or you can contact me on this email address. Please tell me if I have incorrectly reverted an edit of yours and I can put it in my vandalism log. If you leave a message for me, I will primarily leave the response on your user talk page, and will try to copy the response to here for posterity. If you wish to reply to a message I have sent you, please leave the message here. Martinp23 21:15, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

(trancluded ama related information to desk 19:33, 6 October 2006 (UTC) )

Some comments on Tipu

I don't know if you are aware of the Hindu right wing in India whose aim is to rewrite Indian history in its own terms and while Mr. Kalekar has tried to distance himself in one of his comments before from the Hindu Nationalists - it remains that almost all of the edits have been done with that perspective - ultimate aim being to bring the Muslim cultural past of India in a bad light and eventually to negate or claim the Muslim heritage as their own - the destruction of Babri Masjid,is a case in point - here you can also observe Kelkar inserting a text claiming that 3000 temples were destroyed in Muslim rule basing them on a few controversial authors .This new negationism manifests itself with claiming that millions of Hindus were massacred by the Muslim rulers because of their religion in their 800 years rule while most of the history till now in India as well in reputed international books do not support any such theories.It is not mine but Kalekar's edits that are replete with personal attacks and twisting and turning - intermingling issues like support for Osama or Terrorism.A few articles below would tell you of the mentality of these Sangh parivar Supporters -

• Despite concerted efforts to project Tipu in poor light, the fact remains that historians are unanimous in affirming that he was an enigmatic personality with tremendous curiosity who preferred reform and reason over religion.[1]
• In these 'histories' the desecration and demolition of temples by the medieval Muslim rulers form a central theme, substantiating thereby the iconoclastic beliefs as well as the religious fanaticism of the followers of Islam. Such an interpretation, howe ver, overlooks two significant facts of medieval history. First, as Richard Eaton has shown in a recent essay, well before the coming of the Muslims to India temples had been the sites for the contestation of kingly authority. The early medieval history abounds in instances of desecration and destruction of temples of their political adversaries by Hindu rulers. The Cholas, the Pallavas, the Chalukyas, the Palas and many others had indulged in this 'irreligious' act.12 Secondly, most of the desecration and destruction took place when "Indo-Muslim States expanded into the domains of non-Muslim rulers". Once the territory was conquered and integrated into the kingdom, such expression of 'fanaticism' rarely occurred. Tipu Sultan, for instance, desecrated temples during his invasion of Malabar, but after the conquest he gave generous land grants to several of them. Also he is not known to have desecrated temples in his own kingdom. On the contrary, when a Hindu religious institution like the Sringeri Mat was plundered and destroyed by a Maratha chieftain, Tipu Sultan had met the expenses for its reconstruction. [2][3][4]

My request to Kelkar, Bakaman and supporters to kindly present your views in a different section below.Only Martinp to reply in this space.Thanks for your understanding TerryJ-Ho 19:20, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Babri Masjid has nothing to do with Tipu Sultan, and I have nothing to do with the Tipu article either. Dont drag my name into this bakwaas. The Sangh is infinitely more citable than the Marxist/Missionary/Mullah axis.Bakaman _Bakatalk 20:08, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Check my sourced referenced attesting to Tipu Sultan's persecution of Hindus in the AMA page [5] and one will clearly see TerryJ-Ho's rather disgusting anti-Hindu stance and his tendency to cite radical left-wing and Islamist-sympathetic op/ed mouthpeices.Hkelkar 00:31, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes, Please do check and you will find most articles referenced are from either University sources or Newspapers and those are not published by Muslims themselves TerryJ-Ho 12:32, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Plus, Terry's claim of "historians unanimously agreeing" to Tipu Sultan's egalitarianism is obvious hokum given my references from scholarly sources suggesting him to be a persecutor and mass murderer.Hkelkar 22:31, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Do you support this POV

Kelkar has made this statement implying that you support his edits on Tipu Sultan page [6]. While I would like you to disregard the tone and language used against me.Do you agree to his contention that you support his edits? TerryJ-Ho

Equality Ride Page Vandalized Again

Hi! You said I should contact you if the vandalism happened again. Well, it did. Could you please warn this user again? I honestly think this guy needs to get banned. I'm leaving for a class now, so I don't have time to fix the it.

Thx!

RefDeskBot

Wow awesome I didn't think you'd be able to get so much done so quickly. Thanks so much! I'm sure everyone at RD will be really pleased. I just read your message now so I'll take a look at everything you've done and then get back to you.  freshofftheufoΓΛĿЌ  12:34, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

One thing I might have explained a bit weird on the summary. I was intending this archive header to be used with the new system (the old one has links to the current 5 desks, which wouldn't make sense with the new 15+, and there's some small style changes). The code was copied, so it operates pretty much the same, and I've written the usage guide and everything too.

I haven't made any of the subpages in my namespace into real templates; I've been relying on dynamic links for everything, especially in the archives (e.g. [[../Computers and technology/October 2006]]). Currently the Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives subpage is free, so it might be a good idea to move the archives there for testing, and if you think it would be better to move some of the subpages to Template namespace (for example, the archive header) then we should go ahead and do that.

One last thing for me, the monthly pages will require a header too, so I've created that here. Both archive header templates appear to be working fine, so I don't think you'll have any problems.  freshofftheufoΓΛĿЌ  13:28, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Test desk

Hey, I'm trying my best to follow you around and see how things are, so forgive me if I misinterpret something. The duplicated code that you removed here is actually the base code from the top of all of the desks, and isn't related to the desk header, or the archive header at all. I'm very likely misunderstanding here, but it seems that you've attributed the duplicated code to the archive headers, and in trying to fix it reverted my previous edits to the template!

There are some leftover nowiki/pre/noinclude tags (see this edit page, right after the template code), but that's a different problem and I've mostly corrected that by removing the whole Example part of the archive header templates, which wasn't really needed anyways.

I'll won't touch any of your edits now, because I know you'll need some time to fiddle around with your bot and it's quirks, but my last edits had to do with my making all of the links static (from [[../DeskName/]] to [[WP:RD/Archives/DeskName/]], and the reason why is that the way you have it now, the DeskName variable isn't even needed. I think we should use it (instead of just reading the current folder name) because it should help to prevent the bot (or archiving users) from creating archives in the wrong place, and it will make it easier to find misplaced archives if it ever happens. It doesn't make any difference in the syntax, and the resulting page is exactly the same except that the links don't point to my namespace.  freshofftheufoΓΛĿЌ  01:12, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Yeah if you use the [[../{{CURRENTPAGE}}/blahblah]] link while you're inside the desk it will do that, which is another reason I changed them to static links last night. The links you made were probably from the day before, so I was just a little bit late in fixing the code D  :. Anyways, fixed now and I'll keep an eye on it if I notice anything fishy.

I'm also going to start gathering consensus on the desk situation now, (or tomorrow) and I'd say it's likely the current layout will either expand or contract by one or two desks, depending on what everyone thinks. After I get all of those discussions done with, the layout should be set in stone and you won't have to worry about things changing all of a sudden.  freshofftheufoΓΛĿЌ  06:35, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Active questions feature

How difficult is it to tell the difference between active and inactive threads (sections)? A suggestion that came up today was to have transmutation working for the first 5 days or so (lets say, the most recent 2 days aren't transmuted, the next most recent 3 days are extracted into their own pages and transmuted) and everything that isn't active after 5 days (meaning "having no new posts for 2 days", which is pretty much everything) is completely removed and archived. Any questions that still have active discussions would remain on the page until either a) a limit is reached or b) the question becomes inactive, whichever is easier to do. Is that a big change?  freshofftheufoΓΛĿЌ  00:38, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I thought the same thing. Logically, either only some of the dates would remain, or all of them would be included but some of them left blank. I don't think this is an extremely important feature at the moment, but if the need arises it's good to know that it can be done relatively easily.  freshofftheufoΓΛĿЌ  23:41, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

MartinBotII

Wow I didn't expect to get quick reply! Thanks btw. And also it is a good way to run the bot. Because the collaboration article is always decided on Sunday morning, probably the bot will run every Sunday, how about that? So I will send the message on your talk page and you can deliver it to the project members. Is that fine with you? Is there any other thing I can help? Cheers -- Imoeng 14:33, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Next week is fine, because I thought I would get a response in a month :P. Well, anytime on Sunday is fine, and actually Monday is also fine, but not Tuesday though. Okay, I am experimenting with the newsletter now. I will tell you the progress. (Keep in touch, alright? :P) Many many many thanks -- Imoeng 14:46, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

So its Monday morning in Australia. Okay, that is cool. Just drop me a line if you need some backup for the WP:RFBA Thanks again! Imoeng 15:15, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Hello again Martin, how are you? Sorry for trolling, but I saw the proposal for MartinBotII :P The problem is, the Category for WP Indonesia members in not complete, because not everyone wants to put WP Indonesia userbox. Instead, I have created a page for you, who will get the newsletter. Please see Wikipedia:WikiProject Indonesia/Newsletter/Targets. Cheers -- Imoeng 09:48, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Mujeerkhan Sock Farm

I have created an active sock farm of mujeerkhan below:

Category:Wikipedia sockpuppets of Mujeerkhan

and have tagged the users identified as puppets by checkuser.Is there anything else I need to do ritght now?Hkelkar 00:52, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Your AFC application

Hi, Martin -- I decided that I'd reply to you on your own talk page rather than on WP:AFC. I would be happy to help beta test your application.... and I very well might write a Linux version as well. I was actually writing it in Java using the Eclipse Rich Client Platform. At any rate, let me know what I need to do and I'm at your disposal. Thanks! -- ShinmaWa^(talk) 07:20, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

On a completely unrelated note, why haven't you run for adminship? You are certainly qualified. Not interested in the job? Waiting for a nomination? -- ShinmaWa^(talk) 07:22, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Nevermind -- see that you have. Well, if you are ever interested in another go, I'd be honored to nominate you. -- ShinmaWa^(talk) 14:08, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Bedfordshire Infobox status

The template is great, thanks. The only thing I think needs changing is to remove the notes column which will not be needed as it is automatic now. Lcarsdata (Talk) 17:07, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Use of bot?

Martin, thanks for your offer to use your bot. I'm connected with Wikipedia 1.0 plans for offline releases of Wikipedia, and I was involved with setting up the bot used by WikiProjects to generate worklists and assessment data. Not that I know anything about writing scripts or anything, I just come up with problems then beg for help from someone who does know about such things.

We are looking ahead to 2007 releases, and we'd like to generate lists of articles pulled from our existing WikiProject lists. This is something we've talked about for some time, you can see an example of a recent suggestion/discussion here. I'd ask Mathbot, but Mathbot is already pretty tied up with the existing work (over a third of a million articles right now, and growing), and I don't want Oleg to have to add another level of complexity to it. In effect I'm asking for a bot to trawl through the lists Mathbot generates, to produce its own lists (much shorter). I envisage something like this:

1. Go through a specific set of WikiProject article worklists (say, from a set of Science project lists), and pull out all articles of a certain minimum quality standard and importance standard. This might be done according to some formula, or it may just be "All articles ranked B or better, and mid-importance or better"
2. (Optional) Check for any POV tags or other red flags on the article pages.
3. Generate a worklist, simple alphabetical list, log and statistics from the above data.
4. Repeat the run once a week.

That way we might be able to generate quickly a list of all the natural science articles suitable for publication. I imagine the code for this could be quite similar to Mathbot, with a few changes. I would expect it to work through WikiProject Set A, then Set B, then Set C, etc, until it completes all of our sets of WikiProjects.

I think we would generate WikiProject sets manually, based on subject category (as listed at {{V0.5}}) and also how high up the tree the project comes. Thus we might have Arts at the top of the tree, then Music, then Music genres, then Electronic Music, then the KLF. I don't think we'd apply a simplistic formula for ranking these, we would take each one on a case-by-case basis, because we'd also have to take into account how that project assesses for quality & importance, to compensate for project biases. In other words we don't want project A getting all their articles included on our DVD simply because they tagged everything as Top-importance and B or better.

Does this make sense? I estimate we could end up with a collection of about 10-20,000 articles by next summer. Would you and your bot be able to help? Thanks for your time! Walkerma 20:59, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! Don't hesitate to ask questions! Walkerma 18:59, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Bot request

The amount of time required for a page to be considered stable is according to Walkerma, 3 months, or I guess 90 days. That conversation can be seen at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Council#USS Sculpin (SS-494) and alike. As he states there, it appears that stable pages are at least a ways off in the English wikipedia, so take as long as you see fit. However, I am certain that it will be used well before then, particularly for those poor souls (like me) who are going to have to update the Council's Project Directory. Thank you for your willingness to take this on, and, as the next Project update is at least a month away, take as long doing it as you need to. Thanks again. Badbilltucker 20:59, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Another bot possibility

Coming off your comments on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Council, there's a task within the Trains project that might be a good candidate. Like a few other projects, we've got a list of articles, categories, images, etc. that relate to the project; the list allows project members to see all the recent changes with one link. To make maintaining the list easier by hand, each section in the list is a transcluded subpage (for example, the section for articles whose titles start with S is on Wikipedia:WikiProject Trains/Recent changes/S). Ideally, the list should show everything that's tagged with {{TrainsWikiProject}} on their talk pages. Would your bot be able to collect links to all of these pages and add them to the appropriate recent changes subpage on a regular (perhaps weekly or fortnightly) basis? AdThanksVance. Slambo (Speak) 17:29, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

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Bot request

Having the date of the last edit listed would be great. Whenever you're finished will be fine. Thank you very much for this. Badbilltucker 18:38, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

I am about to act on your advice in the talk page. I would think that it is okay to close the case for now.However, if any issues arise again, I would appreciate informal help on your part regarding this matter.Hkelkar 19:08, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

WP:RFBOT

I've added a question at Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/MartinBotII 3. — xaosflux ^Talk 05:46, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Bot progress :D

Hello Martin, how are you? So hows the bot going? Ready for it's first delivery? By the way, I was thinking that probably there are some users who don't want to receive the newsletter, rather, probably they want the link only. Could you put that configuration to the bot? If no, I will "spam" their talk pages with my own two hands :D. Thank you very very much -- Imoeng 10:53, 20 October 2006 (UTC)