User talk:Rhobite

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Best wishes

uc 23:21, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Congratulations! :) You know, people should really quote me more often: I am incredibly brilliant. ;-) func(talk) 23:34, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Thank you! Rhobite 19:42, Oct 24, 2004 (UTC)

Hey, congrats! Good to see another reasonable, non-partisan administrator in our midst :) - Ta bu shi da yu 03:37, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you very much for your vote for my adminship. I greatly appreciate your support. ffirehorse 23:47, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Unjustified personal attack

Please either substantiate or withdraw your outrageous personal attack on me[1]. If you fail to do so within 24 hours, I will take the matter further. Reithy 19:13, Oct 27, 2004 (UTC)

'Reithy, every word you type is oozing with sarcasm and insincerity. If you think you're fooling anyone here, you're sorely mistaken. Anyone who reviews your recent contributions will find a long list of instances of stalking, nitpicking edits and copyvio notes, and rudeness. You are well aware that you can get a rise out of Chuck, and you've been doing it for some time now.'

*'every word you type is oozing with sarcasm and insincerity' Mmm, a rather sweeping and baseless and emotive allegation, what's your proof?

*'if you think you're fooling anyone, you're sorely mistaken' What does this mean?

*'stalking' This is a serious crime, and no evidence is provided.

*'nitpicking edits' From what I've seen, that's pretty much what you do.

*'copyvio notes' Only where I've thought it was justified, where I suspected genuinely a breach of copyright.

Your attack on me and on others on this page reveal a pattern of hypocrisy and self-righteousness that make you unfit to administer others. I urge you to review your intemperate words above or substantiate them, otherwise I will be forced to go to arbitration. Reithy 21:01, Oct 30, 2004 (UTC)

You now allege my "intentions" are bad, you've admitted to a libertarian bias, then said you don't edit libertarian articles. Then you edit them. Your fellow libertarian Chuck_F is busy reverting practically anything I contribute, eg Roppongi Hills, Citizens Electoral Council and you hardly have a word of criticism for that. You seem perfectly comfortable with Libertarians exclusively editing articles on Libertarians, with strong POV's. I think it's unreasonable for you to question my intentions while you do nothing to attend to that problem and the carnage perpertrated by Chucky. Anyway, I am happy to live and let live with him, because he doesn't pretend to be something he isn't. There is a light-hearted edge to our disagreements in a way you wouldn't get. You on the other hand pretend to be an impartial paragon of virtue when your intentions are clearly quite sinister and petty. The only article you've initiated was an atrocious thing on Dick Morris which was hopelessly misinformed. I hope you learn to take yourself less seriously, throw less criticism around arrogantly and remember there is life beyond your computer screen. I note many others share my view. As for an RFA, watch this space. My suggestion: take a good, hard look at yourself. You might not like what you see. Reithy 23:12, Oct 31, 2004 (UTC)

re: Govandi

Thanks for fixing up Govandi - I couldn't make heads or tails of the original article, so I (prematurely) tagged it as speedy. Thanks for catching it before deletion -- Ferkelparade π 15:33, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I don't blame you, it's still a substub and it was more or less nonsensical. Rhobite 15:40, Oct 28, 2004 (UTC)

Thank You

I can see that you already have plenty of these, but thanks fo fixing up several of the articles that I wrote or expanded. You'd think that I'd take the time to copyedit my own work, but I have a consistant bad tendency not to. Quintucket 21:09, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Deleting material

I will not re-post the material you object to, however I cannot accept that you feel free to delete material from your Talk page, which does rather seem to defeat the purpose of having one. I will leave this to your own conscience. Your threat to block me in these circumstances I believe to be an abuse of your authority and highly regrettable. Reithy 23:50, Nov 1, 2004 (UTC)

So file an RFC against me. I'm done reasoning with you. Rhobite 23:52, Nov 1, 2004 (UTC)

I don't want to file anything against you, I am happy to gather more and more evidence of your misconduct which I fear will not be difficult. You have abused your authority as an administrator in a way that surprises me. I know you are new to it, but I think you should consult others about whether your actions have been improper or not. To recap, I invited you initially to remove your remarks which contained sweeping, emotive and hateful comments. You didn't remove it. I think they were grossly unfair. Now you accuse me of harassment for responding in kind, and with similar words. You get annoyed, and you threaten blocking, in a situation where most would consider that you have engaged in precisely the same behavior you accuse me of being guilty of. You write something very unpleasant and emotive about me. I respond. You edit my remarks. You delete my remarks from your Talk page and threaten using your admin powers to enforce your deletion. I very much doubt anyone could defend this misconduct. You normally seem even-tempered, I don't know why you went down this path. Time to disengage I suspect. Reithy 00:01, Nov 2, 2004 (UTC)

It is highly ethically dubious for you to continue to gather evidence against me in an arbitration as an apparently disinterested party. Your bias and willingness to misuse your authority is very evident. You should cease and desist before your reputation is further tarnished. Reithy 12:38, Nov 2, 2004 (UTC)

As I said, you are welcome to file an RFC against me, but you should know by now that your indignant messages are not going to convince me of anything. Rhobite 14:00, Nov 2, 2004 (UTC)

You have accused me of many things and have not substantiated any allegation. You threatened to use your admin powers to resolve a dispute about whether you could edit my comments on your Talk page. You lost it, and know it. You've been desperately trying to cover your tracks since. You've had admin powers for a week, and it's taken you that long to start abusing them. Good luck. Reithy 23:45, Nov 2, 2004 (UTC)

I substantiated every allegation on the evidence page of your RFAr. I did threaten to use my admin powers to block you from vandalizing my talk page. As for desperately covering my tracks, I've done the exact opposite on the RFAr evidence page. Rhobite 23:58, Nov 2, 2004 (UTC)

LOL, your RFAr effort was Clintonesque spinning which was very funny. You have been caught red-handed and you know it. I will be watching your use of admin powers very closely, just waiting for the next abuse or THREATENED abuse of power. You are a disgrace to those who administer Wikipedia fairly and without favor. Reithy 00:05, Nov 3, 2004 (UTC)

Editing Libertarian articles

Now you're editing protected Libertarian articles. Mmmm. Reithy 20:23, Nov 3, 2004 (UTC)

You are welcome to file an RFC against me, propose mediation, or emphasize that I should be added to the RFAr. However as of this point, I am asking you not to edit this page again. I do not value your pestering comments, and I don't wish to read them. I will engage in on-topic discussion with you on article talk pages if you can regain your civility. Rhobite 20:31, Nov 3, 2004 (UTC)

Improper use of RFA page

Be advised, I deleted your inappropriately placed references on the RFA page and moved them to Talk as required under Wikipedia rules. You are not a party to the arbitration, although have expressed strong views about it, but are not entitled to amend the RFA page. I suggest you more carefully review the rules before posting again. Reithy 12:09, Nov 4, 2004 (UTC)

Improper Editing of Protected Pages

Rhobite, in case you missed it:

You are correct in that admins should basically never edit an article when it is protected, even to correct grammar mistakes or other minor things. However, I am pretty sure it was in good faith, and it is really a very minor thing to argue about... — David Remahl 13:54, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)

And this is from someone unfamiliar with your term as Admin, marked by:

• Personal attacks attacking my integrity and good faith and commitment to the Wikipedia project despite the fact I have made more substantive contributions to articles than you
• Threatened use of blocking to resolve personal disputes
• Editing and adjusting my comments on your Talk page to suit yourself
• Inappropriate editing of the RFA page outside explicit guidelines
• Your pledge not to edit Libertarian articles and then editing even protected ones
• Your reprimanding of others for conduct you yourself a guilty of.

I suggest you seriously consider whether you can handle your admin duties. They seem beyond you. I suggested previously we disengage and yet you follow me around in the manner of a troll, harassing me. Please leave me alone.Reithy 22:57, Nov 4, 2004 (UTC)

Thank you for your input. Rhobite 23:04, Nov 4, 2004 (UTC)

I would prefer you to remove your personal attack on me as "insane" from your user page ASAP. Best wishes. Reithy 03:54, Nov 5, 2004 (UTC)

Thank you for your input. Rhobite 03:56, Nov 5, 2004 (UTC)

I have reviewed my options and in the interests of compromise and conflict minimization have removed the offending remarks from the User page. I think you should take some time off Wikipedia to see you can comply with its etiquette guidelines. Maybe a week. See you then. Thanks for your input too, it is really appreciated. Reithy 04:25, Nov 5, 2004 (UTC)

Please note 3 revert rule

Take care. Reithy 04:37, Nov 5, 2004 (UTC)

Exploding whale

Thanks! I couldn't beleive it when I saw it on the front page today :P - Ta bu shi da yu 05:23, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Rhobile

No impersonation intended I assure you. I accept there were some visual similarities in our userpages which I have changed already, although mind you I suspect many userpages are probably similar to mine. I will change Username's if you really want me to, how do I go about doing that? Rhobile 19:39, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I am not even sure who Reithy is. I accept your apology. Rhobile 19:53, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Aww come on... that has to be Reithy, for one thing you think he'd notice Reithy on your page here and at least have a clue.. secondly don't you think it's just a bit strange that this rhobile takes a break from editing for just a an hour to allow reithy to edit something. Finally his page is all talking all about authoirty and injustice and how's going to live to fight another day. Oh one more thing: he's doing very reithy style edits(of reithy's sock puppets, where he wanted us to think it wasn't him)... he's been wondering around changing one word in articles that doesn't make much differented aka presumed -> apparantly. or in articles like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Royal_British_Legion he's just copy and pasted a whole lot of text from a copy-righted website, or for warden,montana he's done the extremly reithyeqsue act of instering a criticsm of the place that is twice as long as the article and really doesn't serve much point important to the town.Chuck F 04:24, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I'm trying to be open-minded here. Either way, you know what they say about imitation. Rhobite 04:26, Nov 8, 2004 (UTC)

I have reverted Rhobile's contributions and blocked the account. uc 17:44, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Proscription against editing

I removed your proscription against Reithy editing your talk page as it seemed retailiatory and inappropriate. uc 17:44, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)

With all due respect, if RickK can prohibit certain people from using his talk page, why can't I? Rhobite 20:10, Nov 8, 2004 (UTC)

The fact that the community indulges his bad habits does not mean that they are a model for others to follow. Take it as a compliment. With regard to that particular problem, he's beyond hope. You're not. uc 21:51, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Rhobite, I hope you can learn something from this. Your unjust use of power has gone too far. You have involved your high office in unseemly conflict, which was so easily avoided. Reithy 23:24, Nov 8, 2004 (UTC)

As a victim of Rhobite's personal attacks, unexplained reverts motivated by a fanatical POV and threatened use of his admin powers to block me writing on this Talk page, I believe it is incumbent on me to challenge the wisdom of appointing him to the high office of Administrator. Reithy 22:26, Nov 8, 2004 (UTC)

hello now that Reithy has admitted he is ultra-vandel and stuff do you think you could do something about unprotecting the Ron paul page, so you know at least a semi-resonable verison can go back up? Chuck F 16:48, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Sorry, no. I'm involved in editing that page, so I won't unprotect it. Rhobite 16:51, Nov 9, 2004 (UTC)

Lesch-Nyhan syndrome

wow, thanks for the heads up i really appreciate it i'm going to try and pick through it using your suggestions. thanks a lot. --Larsie 17:07, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)

hey there i went through the article and tried to fill in the reds by writing articles for the red links, i also got rid of a lot of sub-headers etc. i will try to write articles for the remaining afflictions/syndromes and bios for lesch and nyhan as well. what do think now? --Larsie 22:58, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I think it's a big improvement! You still need a picture that's specific to the syndrome, though. Rhobite 23:58, Nov 9, 2004 (UTC)

hey there i've managed to find one image that would be relative to the treatment aspect of Lesch-Nyhan syndrome but i can't seem to figure out if it's copywritten or not. nor can i download it as i make all of my wikipedia contributions from my pc at work. if you could lend me a hand by finding out if is usable and then posting it to wikipedia i would be more than thankfull. i'll 'owe you one' http://www.clevelandclinic.org/health/health-info/docs/0300/0369.asp?index=4590 --Larsie 16:36, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Unfortunately that picture appears to be copyrighted, it's probably from a medical reference database. Rhobite 20:06, Nov 10, 2004 (UTC)

Three revert rule

Hi, you accidentally left a message about the three revert rule on my Talk page, rather than User:Chuck F's.

I'm just reverting his vandalism. Surely that doesn't count under the 3-revert rule. Otherwise what the hell do you do when someone like Chuck breaks it?

User:Chuck F is back with anon ip 210.178.220.65. And also 202.78.94.101.

RADB Whois query for 210.178.220.65

route: 210.178.0.0/16 descr: KT Pubnet origin: AS9768 mnt-by: MAINT-AS4766 changed: modori@kt.co.kr 20030904 changed: eyeface7777@kornet.net 20040825 #05:51:33(UTC) source: RADB

route: 210.178.128.0/17 descr: REACH (Customer Route) tech-c: RRNOC1-REACH origin: AS9318 notify: irr@net.reach.com mnt-by: MAINT-REACH-NOC changed: irr@net.reach.com 20040604 source: REACH

RADB Whois query for 202.78.94.101

route: 202.78.92.0/22 descr: SKY-ROUTE-OBJECT-202-78-92-0-22 origin: AS6648 mnt-by: SKY-INTERNET-MAINT-MCI changed: route-admin@skyinet.net 19980929 source: SAVVIS

route: 202.78.80.0/20 descr: SKY-ROUTE-OBJECT-202-78-80-0-20 origin: AS6648 country: PH remarks: Please report all incidents of abuse and remarks: acceptable use violations to abuse@skyinet.net notify: route-admin@skyinet.net mnt-by: MAINT-PH-SKYINET-INC changed: mla@skyinet.net 20040531 source: APNIC

He's in Korea or dialling into Korea and in Philipines or dialling into there. LOL.

The desperation of the addict knows no bounds. Imagine travelling to such cool places and spending time editing articles on wikipedia. Get out of your hotel room, Chucky.

WikiCorp 09:20, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)

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Chuck seems to have been unblocked but the unblocking is not noted in the block log. Reithy does not yet appear to have been unblocked.

ron paul

YEAH? there's differences? LIKE MAYBE ONE INCLUDES THE ENTIRE race QUOTE IN CONTEXT? and hey maybe one lets him have a voice too? No I'm pretty sure my verison is compleate Chuck F 14:15, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)

2004 U.S. Election controversies and irregularities

I'm taking a timeout from this. I hear your concerns that people are making it hard to NPOV the page, but others like Netaholic are also making it hard for us to state our facts or even discuss issues becaue they keep removing sections before discussing them — they aren't even trying to strike a consensus! - Ta bu shi da yu 07:12, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)

User:Chuck_F and Libertarianism

Hi Rhobite, I realise that Chuck shouldn't be reverting so many times against an anonymous user on Libertarianism, but can you help me make sure we're fair and warn the other party to stop the reverting also? I just checked the edit history of that page and I notice that User:195.92.67.74 did just as many reverts but noone warned him to stop. In fact, User:Reithy actually egged them on. Also, User:195.92.67.70 should have also been warned. You're a reasonable guy, so I thought I'd give you a heads up. - Ta bu shi da yu 16:07, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Can't speak for Reithy, but Chuck_F seems OK. I'm talking to him now and I willing to help him out when things get rough and he thinks he's getting involved in an edit war. Chuck got blocked for a short period of time, but I think he understands why this happened. I think Chuck could be a very good editor. Reithy? I don't know. He could, I just don't know if he'd accept an olive branch. - Ta bu shi da yu 23:36, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Your Secret Admirer

Someone keeps creating new accounts just to stalk you: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=User_talk:Ta_bu_shi_da_yu&diff=7441748&oldid=7440225 func(talk) 03:33, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Michael Moore

I'm sorry, Rhobite, I have no idea what's going on with my attempts to edit and/or revert things at Moore's page. I'm beginning to suspect that my browser, (Safari on Mac OS X), has some kind of cache problem. I thought I was reverting the blanking of that section, yet somehow the edit history shows that I am the one who blanked it... it gives me a headache trying to figure out what happened there. :( func(talk) 20:13, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Sigh... I see what happened now, it was just some sort of Wikipedia dyslexia on my part. I've decided to remove the page from my watch list... the constant vandalism is becoming too stressful for me. Cheers. func(talk) 20:41, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Hey, no problem, I knew it was an accident. Rhobite 21:23, Nov 14, 2004 (UTC)

FYI: Temp injunction in Reithy's ArbCom case

"Both Reithy and Chuck F and any sockpuppets are to edit only on their respective arbcom case. Edits to the mainspace may be reverted on sight."

--mav 20:38, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I was editing from 172.188.140.92 . I am not Reithy. Further to the comments made by User:Ta bu shi da yu I have not reverted any of Chuck's latest reverts and I will not engage in any revert wars from now on. But I believe the edits I made after the pages were unrpotected were necessary and I do not believe that any of my edits were "problematic".

On Libertarianism I reverted to restore the link to Libertarian Socialism and the historical information that Chuck deleted and the various bits of grammar and Wikilinks that got caught in the edit war. But I specifically removed the comments about Libertarian Capitalism as they are causing conflict as expressed on the Talk page.

On Libertarian Socialism I tried to NPOV the discussion of the two types of Libertarians. I again avoided terms that seemed to have caused the conflict such as "free market libertarian".

On Liberal Democratic Party of Australia I reverted and added a mention of the US Libertarian Party in line with what was said on the Talk page. I think that article is a clear case of Chuck presenting false information to try to make political gains. The party's website does not mention the word libertarian or libertarianism even in places where it would be most obvious. Three Australian users have said that the term does not mean the same thing in Australia as it does in America. None of them seem to have been involved in any of the other conflicts with Chuck.

I do not see how any of this is problematic unless you are saying that pages should not be edited for fear of offending Chuck. The information on those three articles that Chuck kept deleting was added and edited by several users, including some of it by you I believe. I also believe that if anyone has a problem with those edits they should do what Chuck should have done in the first place and edit them further or discuss them on Talk not just blanket revert.

I'll keep it on my talk page since your IP changes frequently. I'd like to suggest that you make a user account. It's free, it's easy, and you don't need an e-mail address. You can keep a watchlist, and people have a way to contact you. That said, I think you have tried to provoke Chuck F with your edits, at least in the past. Restoring Libertarianism to Reithy's version may not have been the best choice. It's unfortunate that these two characters have caused so much trouble, because now any contribution to libertarian articles is suspect. Rhobite 03:02, Nov 16, 2004 (UTC)

But I went out of my not to provoke Chuck by removing the things he said were provoking him. It seems that anything except letting him use Wikipedia for his political campaigning is provoking Chuck. And that is not just Reithy's version of Libertarianism. In fact I do not think anything in that version was written by Reithy. The link to Libertarian socialism has been in the article for ages. The historical information in the section on Terminology is information I added to the article that is directly from my political science class: [2] (that was me editing from an account at college). I do want to get an account but I would rather have a fresh start and not be always asscoiated with going down to Chuck's level of revert wars on these articles, which I do regret doing.

I'm not sure what you just did, but you seem to have sorted it out. However, you missed that Chuck has added himself to the Arbitration Committee Candidates page: [3]. As Reithy was removed, presumably he should be too.

I worked a bit too quickly there and I jumped to the conclusion that that IP was a Chuck proxy. If it was you, I apologize. Reithy and Chuck should be treated equally in terms of their arbitration committee candidacies. I'll bring this up with UninvitedCompany. Rhobite 19:47, Nov 19, 2004 (UTC)

Reithy & ChuckF

Reithy's nomination can and should be removed on its own merits. While it is convenient and sufficient to cite the injunction, other reasons are legion. While we may not have any rule prohibiting people from offering to pay for votes, I belive that alone is sufficient cause to remove the nomination. And the nomination contained a condemnation of French editors, which was counter to the core values of the project. That too would alone be sufficient reason to remove the nomination. Now, the nomination process is not being closely managed. If it were, then we could, should, and hopefully would, impose some sort of minimum standard to discourage frivilous nominations, like a minimal number of edits or length of service to the project, or a requirement for support of a certain number of users.

Now, as for ChuckF, his nomination does not pose the same problems. Yes, there is the injunction, and I would understand completely if someone were to remove his nomination based on that. But I am not moved to remove it myself, because unlike Reithy's, I firmly believe that the nomination was made in good faith. It contains no personal attacks, and does not abuse or belittle the process. Again, if we were closely managing the nomination process, we would probably find that Chuck F doesn't meet the minimum level of tenure or sponsorship to qualify. But we're not, so the nomination should stand.

I'm unmoved by a call for equal treatment of the two based on fairness. Yep, they've both made trouble, but Chuck F at least seems willing to respect community rules to some degree. Reithy is just plain abusive and is utilizing any process or forum available to toot his horn.

My two cents

The Uninvited Co., Inc. 21:02, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Articles about the 2004 election problems

You supported my proposed new lead section, but it was reverted on the grounds that it didn't well summarize the article (an article that's now been moved to 2004 U.S. presidential election controversy). My proposed lead section was a general overview of voting controversies. The article was, and is, a very detailed examination of one issue, the use of electronic voting machines, with particular emphasis on exit poll discrepancies as evidence of machine error. The article had comparatively brief mentions of a few other issues.

I've now written the article that my lead section applies to. You'll find it at 2004 U.S. election voting controversies. If you're still interested in the area, I'd be glad for you to take a look at that article. JamesMLane 20:36, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)

OK, I'll take a look. Thanks for the note. Rhobite 21:43, Nov 21, 2004 (UTC)