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Archives: 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13
History: Feb-Dec 2003,Jan-Jun 2004


Raison d'etre

Hi angela:

I used the word reason d'etre with the correct spelling and punctuation and you took it out. The sentance does not flow nearly as well. I was just wondering what is wrong with reason detre. Its one of those french words amalgamted into English that can express succinctly and in my opinion quite elgently a simply concept..... So why did you edit it out?

Assuming you're talking about the Nelson Mandela page, then I didn't make the edit which I think you are referring to [1]. It was made by a non-logged in user. Angela. 04:22, Nov 3, 2004 (UTC)

New and improved POTD system

Hello Angela,

This morning I've been working on implementing a new and Picture of the day system. It is based on the proven concept used by Today's featured article. This system will allow us to plan the POTD way ahead, plan POTD for special occasions, automatically archive the POTD's and so on, it also makes recycling a POTDs very easy, just point the template to a previous date. Another important advantage is that it makes customizing POTD's much easier, as you don't need to remember which were changed in size for instance or had a small caption added.

Overall it's a robust system I think but please take a look and tell me what you think, see if there is anything I've overlooked. Switching to the new system would be a cake as the only thing that changes, is that the POTD templates now need to point to specific dates instead of days.

Cheers, [[User:Solitude|Solitude\talk]] 10:23, Nov 3, 2004 (UTC)

PS. I've also sent this message to Bevo as the three of us seem to maintain the POTD sections the most.

Discussion at Wikipedia talk:Picture of the day. -- [[User:Solitude|Solitude\talk]] 10:51, Nov 3, 2004 (UTC)

From ko

Hi Angela,

I'm afraid the job is not for me. All what I want is that ko improves from currently total underdeveloped condition into acceptable level. Then there will be found some qualified contributors whom ko needs really. I've tried to stimulate a few ko users, who are anyway there. If they are able to understand it, that will do for me. Anyhow, thank you for your attention. --17:40, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC) 아흔

Thanks for letting me know. Angela. 17:45, Nov 3, 2004 (UTC)

I might be able to find some ko users. I know about a half dozen Korean college grads, some with masters degrees. 에드 푸어 --user:Ed Poor (pre-US rodeo) 22:18, Nov 3, 2004 (UTC)

fixed column, in the left side of the pages

Recentement I was nominated administrator, but necessary of a clarification. The project Wikiquote em português needs some adjustments in the fixed column, in the left side of the pages: a) to include logo; b) to translate some itens for the Portuguese; Which the necessary procedure for these adjustments? Chico 03-nov-2004

Front page vandalism

Angela, the front page was hit. I am not quickly finding the link to edit it out.Pedant 15:48, 2004 Nov 4 (UTC)Thank you. I'm going to make myself a link page, for faster access to links. I have a typing handicap, so point/click will be faster for me. Added to the vandalism in progress page...should have done so before. Contacted you because I know you are often on at this time of day. Thanks again, and not just for this. You are one of the indescribably excellent wikipedians, and I'll just leave at that, because you already know.Pedant 16:09, 2004 Nov 4 (UTC)

Private Wikipedia?

Please forgive this intrusion...I'm not even sure I'm in the right place. I've looked all over for a link to ask a question and I finally stumbled onto this page. (Makes me wonder where the Q's on the FAQ came from....)

The Wikipedia:Help desk is a good place to start.

Anyway, I'd like to find information about creating a private wikipedia.

Great, but Wikipedia is a trademark so please say a private wiki or encyclopedia or something else. :)

I'm interested in large-scale collaboration, and using the Wiki software to do the work.

There are many types of wiki software. See Wiki:WikiEngines for a fairy definitive list. Wikipedia uses MediaWiki which you can download from http://mediawiki.org. The manual is at meta:Help:Contents.

Assuming this is possible, where can I find information about the software and hardware needed, and also any licensing information for the wiki engine, if any.

Thanks in advance

Gene Merritt

That would depend which wiki engine you want to use. MediaWiki is licensed under the GPL. Wikibooks:Wiki Science:How to start a Wiki will explain more about what you need to consider when starting a wiki. Angela. 23:45, Nov 4, 2004 (UTC)

logo blinking

Initially, I am thankful for the contribution.
In the projects wikiquote (in all the languages) happens the following one: when passing mouse in top of logo, logo is blinking. This does not happen in the other projects (wikipedia, wikitionary). What to make so that soon of wikiquote it is not blinking when passing mouse?

-- Chico 05-nov-2004

This happens in IE, but not in Firefox. I suspect its because it is a background image on top of another background image. Since it is a link, every time the mouse goes over it, IE has to decide which background image is in the background and which is in the foreground, and reloads. That is what causes the blink. Personally, I would change the logo away from being a background image at all. A perfect example of an overuse of styles. From:

<div class="portlet" id="p-logo">
	  <a title="Main Page" style="background-image: url(/upload/b/bc/Wiki.png);" href="/wiki/Main_Page"></a>

	</div>  

To:

<div class="portlet" id="p-logo">
<a title="Main Page"><img alt="Wikiquote Logo" src="/upload/b/bc/Wiki.png"></a>
</div>

I apologize if it was presumptuous of me to answer a question directed at you Angela. The Steve 18:20, Nov 5, 2004 (UTC)

Not presumptious at all, although I'd already replied at pt:q:Usuário Discussão:Chico. :) You might want to add your comments to Mediazilla:634. Angela. 18:25, Nov 5, 2004 (UTC)
Done! :-) The Steve

As Good as an Article can Be

Hi Angela,

I had a look at the page suggested and while I can see it is related I don't feel I want to disrupt the flow. I'm also not too supportive of an off-web version of Wikipedia but lets not get into that. Lets stick with the common ground here. It seems that to produce an off-web version there would be an editorial process (hopefully not too formal) that does some basic checking and either weeds out the irrelevant, updates any obvious issues and approves the article for publication. If there is a process there I suggest that it is linked with my idea of protecting articles that have been through it. Even a warning might be sufficient but I doubt it. Please can you bear this in mind as the process is concluded. --Rjstott 09:16, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)

It will involve some sort of article validation process. I'm hoping this will enable us to mark the version that went through that as a "stable version" and then we could offer users an option of seeing only stable versions. I strongly feel the default view should remain the latest version, not stable version though, but with a link to "see the validated version" on every article. This means it can still be edited, and still be improved, but for people needing or wanting something more reliable, they don't have the problem of having validated it only to have someone come in and vandalise it. Angela. 12:12, Nov 7, 2004 (UTC)

Updated "hide me from watchlist" bookmarklet

I've updated my "hide yourself from your watchlist" bookmarklet. It should not have the bugs you told me about now. Please try it out and let me know. It is here. Thanks for the feedback! JesseW 10:35, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Test wiki image deletion

Is there an admin or sysop available for the test wiki? If not, can I obtain permissions allowing me to delete offensive images? (image deletion only would be plenty).

Presently I'm downloading them and re-uploading them with a 'Kids use the test wiki too, please be considerate' notice covering the offensive material. I was unable to find an admin page there, (or images to be deleted page) so I don't think I can go through the Requests for Permissions page.

I know it's a test wiki, but, still, some stuff doesn't belong even as a test, esp If I can't delete these images, would you point me to a resource/procedure/admin that can?

Thanks, sorry to keep being a bother, but I almost feel I know you now, and I know you know your way around, when it comes to the dusty corners of the wiki.Pedant 21:11, 2004 Nov 8 (UTC)

Thank you

thanks for the advice on the skin bug on test wiki, thanks for your help with the image deletions. It was one of my homeschool kids (I help homeschool groups with web resources etc.) that spotted the inappropriate image on the test wiki. The kids often use my account for editing and writing, so I can keep an eye on their contributions, but that might be obvious already. thanks againPedant

You and your little home page

Your home page is a disgrace to the community. It's preposterously stylish and well-organized; a textbook case of rampant simplicity. You make everyone else look bad. Forget that! You make me look bad. And stop doing so much for Wikipedia and its community! Your tireless dedication and positive attitude are lifting everyone's spirits to revolting heights. No wonder everybody is throwing "please-retire-you're-stealing-my-job" barnstars at you! Why don't you and Jimbo get a room, for crying out loud! JRM 22:14, 2004 Nov 8 (UTC)

So you know, this is posted here at least partially as an object lesson for illustrative purposes at the reference desk. :-) And for what it's worth, I quite like your user page. ;-) Best wishes as always, Jwrosenzweig 23:12, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Thanks for telling me about the reference desk. Odd... :) Angela. 09:00, Nov 9, 2004 (UTC)

Hi

I copied your user page, I hope you don't mind... I needed to do something, and yours was the best idea which came to mind. Sam [Spade] 00:01, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)

It's GFDL. I can't stop you copying it :) Angela. 09:00, Nov 9, 2004 (UTC)
I know, but you could scold me and stuff if you don't want me doing it, and I'd rip off somebody else ;) Sam [Spade] 21:40, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)


Benmore Peak Observatory

Hi Angela:

Regarding that ruckus, we are but a small amateur astronomical observatory. Unfortunately a person with "issues" has recently been dogging us at a number of local (NZ) astronomy forums and mailing-lists, accusing us of all sorts of things. The Wiki entry "atmospheric quality"-angle is just one aspect of his campaign. Why he's doing it, we don't know, but we do not have the time or resources for this and are conceding victory to him on this front, and have asked for a speedy VfD of the page. 222.152.120.161 20:29, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Fundraising - Google opt in ads

Hi this was discussed in July and then dropped. I saw it from your to do list. A number of people supported and more just did on IRC. As opt-in, I can't see how many could object. Where would be the best place to consider this more? Thanks - Taxman 03:46, Nov 9, 2004 (UTC)

Yeah, that is the discussion I was referring to. It simply stopped without a consensus no. Since it only affects users that specifically choose to use it, I can't see how others would object. Most of the objection was to the opt out option. An unobtrusive opt in might work, and after the initial set up should be very little work for some revenue. I'll leave a message on that page and see if anyone responds. I'll only bug you again if not. -

Copywrite of actors' publicity photographs

Hello, I am directing this at you as you're the most senior UK wikipedian I know of. I have noticed that the UK wiki's are in need of a photo for the Meera Syal page. There is a very good one of her on her agent's site http://www.pfd.co.uk/scripts/showimage.py/actors/?SYALM . I pretty sure that a phonecall will get me permission to use it (I am an agent too and none of my clients would object). If they grant permission I can get them to confirm it in an email reponse to a request. However, what do I do with that? Print it, scan it, upload it as a reference file? or can I forward it to and admin to hold on ther server? I'd like to know before I make the call :D --Martin TB 20:39, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Vandalism on ko wiktionary

Hi Angela,

It is dreadful to see spam vandal. The spamer uses server China Telecom and repeats the same way 12 Nov 6 Nov. I'd like to take your advice. --08:12, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC) 아흔

I created Sharon Lee and Steve Miller from their personal official biographies which they sent me by email. Sharon Lee was tagged as a copyvio and I have replied here and here. What happens now? Do I recover my original version or should I wait for someone else to do it? --Phil | Talk 13:31, Nov 12, 2004 (UTC)

Help?

Angela, I already left Netoholic a note, but I thought I'd leave one with you also. Simple's main page was vandalized today, redirected to en's main page -- the talk page was redirected back here also. This is one of the worst kinds of things to have to fix (as I know you know) -- after a couple people noticed and left notes here at Talk:Main page, I realized what was up and fiddled with the URL to get to the redirected pages and revert them. I have no idea, though, why simple's main page isn't protected -- unless there's a good reason not to, I hope someone will. I can't rememebr if you are no longer an active admin there (you're still listed on the project's administrator list) and I know you best of the people on that list, so I thought I'd leave a ntoe for you also (I left on for Net since he was the most recent admin to appear in Newest changes at simple). Thanks for giving it a look, should you have time to. Best wishes as always, Jwrosenzweig 22:57, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Include on main page Wikipedia is largest encyclopedia

Hi Angela, if you have time, I'd like to see what you think (because I like your work here) about a proposal I made on main page talk regarding the topic (that's been around for a while) of including on the main page that Wikipedia is the world's largest encyclopedia. thanks!  :)Nectarflowed 02:28, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Sandbox protection

Hello, I wonder if I can suggest an small improvement to the sandbox. I don't know if you're the right person to speak to, but here goes. Basically, the {{sandbox}} header at the top of the sandbox contains important information for new users. However, due to the nature of the sandbox it is deleted about once a day (or more often). Also, it appears to be a favourite target of vandals, as witnessed in a recent and prolonged revert war. I wonder if it is possible to somehow 'protect' the {{sandbox}} header on the page, while allowing the rest of the page to be edited? (Also, I would like to suggest that the template itself is expanded to warn users that offensive behaviour and blatant vandalism won't be tolerated in the sandbox -- how would I go about doing that?) -- FirstPrinciples 08:58, Nov 14, 2004 (UTC)

User is being bold in changing talk pages

I'd like your opinion on the recent activities of User:Brianjd. He seems to have a big problem with discussion lying around on talk pages. So far this month he's removed old discussion from Talk:Olduvai theory, Talk:Fuel cell, Talk:Abstraction, Talk:Oxidation, Category talk:Mathematics, and Talk:Function (mathematics). When I asked him to archive instead of delete, it appears that he did so on some of those pages but not all of them. A quick check of his history shows that he's been doing this since he became a user on 15 June 2004. It's hard to tell how much gruff he's gotten about this over the months because he apparently deletes comments from his user page as soon as he reads and/or acts on them. Is it just me or is this "service" he's providing to the Wikipedia community unnecessary and unwanted? Perhaps you or another admin could talk to him about it (if you haven't already). Thanks. - dcljr 22:53, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I've left a message for Brian. Angela. 23:43, Nov 14, 2004 (UTC)

Change on List of Airport

Hello Angela,

I writing to you because your the only contact person I've found belongig to a removal of an external link on Wikis List of Airports, List of airports. From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_airports

on 27. October someone has removed the external link to the Airport Code page of the Nations Online Project the link you called: "Commercial Airport Code List" due to circumstances the page has moved to: http://www.nationsonline.org/oneworld/airport_code.htm it would be great to get the link online again, and the page is not really "commercial"

anyhow thanks for your time and

Kind regards

Klaus Kästle Editor Nations Online Project http://www.nationsonline.org/

-- Nations Online Project ::: Links to the World --

It had only been removed because the link wasn't working, so I've replaced it with this new one which does seem to work. Angela. 13:24, Nov 15, 2004 (UTC)

WP:MOS

It's me again :)

I would like to know where to post in order to generate a discussion on the placement of the TOC within a page. I think on most wiki articles it actually looks a lot better of floated top right. Readers of English read from left to right, so having to TOC top right won't interfere with the initial reading of the subject matter. At the moment there can be a large white block underneath the intro which is used solely by the TOC on the left. If that list is long(ish) it just looks ugly. I spotted that your user talk page has a lot of info floated right, and copied the html to the Monmouth Rebellion page. This resulted in a much better looking page!

It has been deleted by a user claiming that it's not in the WS:MOS, but I can find no reference to the TOC with the MOS at all. I don't want to start an edit war, but I do think that a discussion on what actually looks good and readable is needed. Take a look at United States Senate for example. A long scroll past all the contents until the piece starts. Martin TB 16:35, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Replied at Wikipedia talk:TOC#Right floating TOC. Angela. 17:23, Nov 15, 2004 (UTC)
Many thanks for posting the idea. It seems to have generated a response already. Martin TB 19:06, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Vandalism- 155.91.19.73

This user is constantly vandalizing Linus Pauling. Could you revert the vandalism to your previous edit?

Jongarrettuk already reverted it. It's listed at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection. Angela. 21:50, Nov 15, 2004 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. Cyrloc 21:51, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Language.php: where?

Hi, Angela.
I've been wanting to translate months and weekdays names but I found out I can only do that by editing the Language.php file for ka:. Where can I get this file? Is there someone I should ask? After editing it, who should I send it to?
Sorry for the nuisance and thanks,
Malafaya 13:29, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)

GNU vs. copyrighted Wikipedia-is-cleared-to-use documents

What's the difference between GNU material and copyrighted material that Wikipedia has been cleared to use? You once opposed a picture that I took and posted on featured pictures canidates because of "inappropriate liscense" when I had given Wikipedia permission to use it (I later GNU'd it). Does EVERYTHING on wikipedia have to be GNU'd? JediMaster16 02:32, Nov 17, 2004

Hi Angela,

I'm from Afrikaans and also try to start growth at other South African languages. It seems you took up the issue of the National Language Services with User:Node_ue at User_talk:Node_ue#Re:Wikipedia-l: Banned from editing except on en. Could you be so kind as to let me know on my Afrikaans talk page about the outcome of whether or not those are copyios under South African law? Unfortunately we don't have the manpower of the en.wp and Internet connectivity isn't always equally available. If we can reuse the manpower spent here, it would be a nice bonus for us. Thanks for you work on Wikipedia. --Alias 12:36 (UTC)

You and Yours

I just finished listening - well done!
James F. (talk) 13:01, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Thanks. :) Angela.
Was this the segment about Cyber Crime? (Real Player not working through our firewall, so downloading Real Alternative out of total frustration) --Phil | Talk 13:48, Nov 17, 2004 (UTC)
No. It was the part about encyclopedias :) Angela.
What's all this then? Have I missed something? Apwoolrich 14:23, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)
It was a short piece about Wikipedia on the You and Yours programme on BBC Radio 4 today. You can listen to it at [2] but you might need some sort of plugins. Angela. 14:42, Nov 17, 2004 (UTC)
Well, swope me, that's a different version of the main page than I got an hour ago: there was no mention of encyclopedias then :-( Now to find out how to play a RPM file… On the other hand I might be able to get in through the generic BBC player: where in the program is your bit? --Phil | Talk 15:02, Nov 17, 2004 (UTC)
It starts about 30 minutes in. But the link doesn't seem to be working now. Maybe this one will work instead. Angela. 15:13, Nov 17, 2004 (UTC)