Talk:Lowell High School (San Francisco)

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This article was listed on votes for deletion; see Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Lowell High School (San Francisco). [[User:Poccil|Peter O. (Talk, automation script)]] 05:57, Dec 6, 2004 (UTC)

Computer and Geology clubs

Why was all mention of the Computer and Geology clubs removed? If the clubs are defunct, say so, but removing mentions and links to their still-active websites seems unnecessary. --Tony Sidaway^Talk 23:56, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

Matt Cheng Foundation

Is the Matt Cheng Foundation really a club? I think there's someone on ASB named Matt Cheng, but I don't think he has a club. Can anyone confirm/deny? -- Jjjsixsix ^(t)/_(c) @ 04:09, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Yes, there really was a "Matt Cheng Foundation." It was founded by Matt Cheng, a Class of 2005 senior. The club's activities consisted of nothing more than watching Family Guy amongst a certain close-knit clique. Thus, it is reasonable to assume that this club evolved into the Family Guy Club. 138.23.20.10 08:49, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Although there was a "Matt Cheng Foundation" it is not Family Guy Club!!! "Family Guy Club" was created by a guy in the class of 2008 last year because he loves Family Guy

Oldest High School?

I found an inconsistency with this page in that it states that Lowell is the oldest high school west of the Mississippi, I found the same claim on the Lincoln High School in Portland wiki entry. Does anyone know which one is technically correct? I added a comment on the Lincoln page, but it felt redundant here.Asedzie 21:59, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Ok, I figured it out. According to the history sections on the websites of the two schools, the Lincoln entry is incorrect.Asedzie 22:04, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

MCF is probably just spam, we have had similar stuff before. Unless someone shows me (Hat man, 0617) club docs, I am deleting it.

Are we defining clubs as those that successfully completed their mods, or including those that simply reemerged each semester but are clearly recognizable as enduring organizations?

I'm fairly sure MCF made it into a club listing or yearbook one year or another, but I don't have it on hand.

Vending Machines

Please stop adding the "vending machines" entry into this article. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. --physicq210 00:53, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

How come you keep deleting the article? Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information << This does not state a reason for deleting that portion. I was a Lowell student as well and I remember reading about this in the school newspaper which is cited. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DrBhalsimYamouff (talk • contribs)

How is it notable? How does this section contribute to the article? If we are to include this, then we might as well include the "Not the Lowell" issue. --physicq210 01:05, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

The section contributes to the article by providing readers with information that they might not be aware of. If readers are not interested they may simply skip over that section.

You are welcome to include the Not the Lowell. It's a tradition of the school. --DrBhalsimYamouff 01:17, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

And yes, the reason is valid. And sign your edits. --physicq210 01:07, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Could you please quote the portion in the link that makes the deletion valid? Saying so doesn't make it a fact. Provide citations, like those included in the Vending Machine article for example. --DrBhalsimYamouff 01:17, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

I shall.

Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of items of information. That something is 100% true does not mean it is suitable for inclusion in an encyclopedia. -from WP:NOT

• emphasis added by me.

And don't edit other people's comments without their permission. It is considered rude and bad etiquette. --physicq210 01:52, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

So who decides what is suitable? You?--DrBhalsimYamouff 01:58, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

No. Now it is your turn to prove why it should be added, instead of making off-topic remarks. --physicq210 02:06, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Uhmm.. can physicq stop breaking my balls? I liked reading the vending machine article when I noticed that it disappeared when I tried looking for it 5 minutes later. It's a part of Lowell's history so it should be up, no matter how small a history it is. Otherwise it's just like not telling us Leonardo da Vinci's left handed because it doesn't matter what hand you write with. Plus, it does contribute to the article.. Think about it. When in the history of Lowell has there been an ice cream vending machine? Exactly. Please don't be a dick about this. You know, a private investigator? <3 4gisntenough 02:18, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Nice try. Should we add that Cindy Sheehan visited Lowell (with protests)? Should we add the "06-06-06" incident? Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a random info bazaar. And no, it does not contribute anything to the encyclopedia, and no, Lowell's history can do without an entire section devoted to a popsicle vending machine. And no, I am not being a dick, contrary to your accusation. I'm not going to throw the rulebook around, but calling people dicks often involve calling themselves one. --physicq210 02:37, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the compliment. Personally, I don't think those should be added. If you wanted to, you can. It's Wikipedia man. The way I see it, the article does contribute to Lowell's because it shows students believing in something and using their knowledge gained from that school, and using it in their school livelihood. What's so different about this article being posted than club names being posted? If something like that doesn't deserve to be up, I don't know what should be. And am I really calling myself a private investigator? Maybe, since I am instigating right now. Cheers. 4gisntenough 02:57, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Now that you mention it, the 060606 incident should be up. I mean, the pole was at a 60 degree angle. More application of knowledge learned from Lowell. Just that the spray painting was unnecessary. 4gisntenough 03:10, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

I don't think my last remark was off-topic, but if you plan on ignoring it what can I do? It should be included because according to [1] "Verifiability. Articles should contain only material that has been published by reputable sources. Editors adding new information into an article should cite a reputable source for that information, otherwise it may be removed by any editor. The obligation to provide a reputable source is on editors wishing to include information, not on those seeking to remove it." My article had that. In fact some of the other entries in the Lowell High article had the same 'verifiability' or less, so if you choose to delete my entry it's out malice, considering you did nothing to other portions of the article. --DrBhalsimYamouff 02:24, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

We are not arguing whether the information is correct, which is beyond dispute. The disagreement here is whether it is notable, and you have not provided any evidence that it is so. I am not ignoring you; you just haven't provided any evidence that such an incident is worthy of inclusion. And accusing me of deleting your entry out of spite is a display of bad faith. --physicq210 02:37, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

By the definition of notable [2], meaning "noted"[3], my addition to the article should remain on wikipedia. Otherwise, the vending machines would have never made it onto the newspaper. If you never saw people selling ice cream at school I highly recommend you spend less time in the library while you still have 2 years ahead of you.

Is there any way we can put this to a vote? I don't think we'll ever come to an agreement, but I would be willing to settle this democratically. --DrBhalsimYamouff 02:56, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

I need not your condescending remarks about my life at Lowell. If we were to include this event just because it showed up in the Lowell, then we might as well include the news about Kermesse, Winterfaire, and the Spirit and Color Wars Rallies. And, yes, you can put it up for a vote, but it's not going to get us anywhere, because there will only be 2-3 votes, which is beyond consensus (see WP:CON). I'm not discouraging you from doing so, though. --physicq210 03:02, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Dude, that's such a good idea. Kermesse, Winterfaire, and the Rallies should totally be put in. It definately defines Lowell, though it may not sound as interesting as the ice cream vending machine fiasco. (no sarcasm intended) 4gisntenough 03:06, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

<sarcasm> Now I can't distinguish between sarcasm and reality because of your comment. Thanks. </sarcasm> --physicq210 03:11, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes, Cindy Sheehan and the 06-06-06 incident should be added. Sheehan is a notable enough individual that she has her own wikipedia entry. 06-06-06's are very far in between, I think every thousand years or so, and I've never heard of the flag pole being pulled out of the ground in Lowell's history before. --DrBhalsimYamouff 03:02, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

I don't know how to put it up for a vote. How many votes would you need to settle this? The only numbers I cought were the 60 to 80% majority.--DrBhalsimYamouff 03:15, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Please read WP:Consensus. Usually, a vote takes a lot of people or else the vote is pointless. --physicq210 03:20, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

How much is a lot? I can't find the number on that page.--DrBhalsimYamouff 03:24, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

There is no minimum number. However, if you look around Wikipedia, you will see that polls that have only a few votes are often disregarded. Many Wikipedia polls often go beyond 20, 30, 50, even 100 votes for both sides. I'm not trying obstructing the vote, but a lot of people will have to vote to get this past. And frankly, voting for including a trivial section is not the best idea. --physicq210 03:31, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

i read the article while it was up, and i must say it was appropriate for wikipedia as it informs the reader of controversial events that indeed happened.just put it back, its not hurting anyone, and if you dont like it you might as well not read it. and who makes you judge of wikipedia? this is a free encyclopedia, and we should all have a right to edit it. --Chemictry211 20:22, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Fine. Add it as you wish. I won't delete it then. But accusing people of being "judge of Wikipedia" is considered a personal attack. --physicq210 21:10, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Sinceyou're ok with it now, I took the liberty of restoring the page. --DrBhalsimYamouff 22:08, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Yay, I am one happy camper. 4gisntenough 22:00, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm an alumnus('03) and I'm not going to touch the entry, but I think it's not worth including because similar incidents happen every year or two, and this is just one of them - it has no massive impact on the student body or general public. If we were talking about a Columbine, it would belong. But this kind of stuff is useful only in that it betrays the geeky nature of the school. 67.150.255.3 01:52, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Oddball Trivia from 1971

The seldom-seen senior movie from the class of 1971 would be deemed inappropriate today. This was a student project of George Moore's Cinematography Production class during the 1971 Spring semester. The movie, originally titled "Boobs," is a tongue-in-cheek protest against the closed campus rule. Influenced by Lindsay Anderson's "If....," it also contains subversive references to the Kent State University shootings of May 1970.

The goal was to make a movie that was representative of life at Lowell without focusing on just one group. The student population was socially Balkanized. Most school functions, like the Prom, tended to favor the SA (Student Activities)Office kids and the jocks. School publications like "Myriad" (the literary magazine) seemed out-of-touch with the mainstream. Most extracurricular organizations were also narrowly focused. This made it very difficult to find a unifying issue to drive the plot. Lastly, the film needed as many members of the senior class as possible to participate as extras.

A conspiracy representing every Lowell clique--jocks, hippies, rah-rahs, back-lawners, Pit people, etc.--is formed. They plan to escape across the Pit and the soccer field to Winston Drive. (There were no buildings on Winston adjacent to the campus back then, but a new cyclone fence had been erected, much to the dismay of many Lowellites.)

The ROTC battalion learns of the escape plan. They draw rifles from their arsenal and form a single rank facing the Pit. The ROTC troops shoot and kill most of the escapees. (The ROTC instructors cooperated with the production of this film which was directed by one of the cadets!) A handful of survivors scale the fence and escape on the back of a VW beetle.

Unfortunately, someone dropped and broke the movie projector during the 1971 senior dinner (at Joe Jung's on Stockton & Clay), so the movie was not seen by most of its intended audience. A few people (who had not left for college yet) saw the movie in September when the 1971 yearbooks finally arrived, 3 months late. The movie's director seems to possess the only extant print of this movie which he would supposedly screen at San Jose State University in the mid-1970s.

One would hope that all parties involved in the production of the 1971 senior movie found their 15 minutes of fame elsewhere--and in fields other than cinematography.