User talk:NguyenHue
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Hello - thanks for participating. One suggestion: when you're commenting on talk pages, you can sign and date your comments by typing ~~~~. That makes it easier to see who's talking without having to check the edit history. Let me know if you have any other questions. ←Hob 07:57, 2004 Oct 21 (UTC)
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Hello and all that. Good to see you're doing okay. Don't worry about User:Jimmyvanthach being aggressive and getting into edit wars with him. Those who know him know he's a POV-pushing liar and I'm trying to get him banned through the arbitration committee, but that'll take a little time. Dunc|☺ 12:22, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)
distorting history
I love history, that is what I do. What I find both infuriating, and a bit confusing, is the efforts of some charlatan to tack himself onto the coat tails of a past dynasty to further his own political agenda. What's confusing is that the Nguyen Dynasty was never that popular to begin with. Public uprising in favor of the VietMinh forced the last nominal monarch to abdicate and then, as well as in 1955, when the Nguyen were ousted, no one was upset about it. They were almost always tied to the efforts of the French to rule the country. It seems to me they could have picked a more popular dynasty to try and ape.
I've been trying to add some more articles on the history of Vietnam, with more details, but from a neutral point of view. I honor and respect the memory of the emperors, but I think it is sheer ridiculousness to try and advocate turning the clock back. Asian monarchies as a rule don't have "restorations", once the Mandate of Heaven is lost, you can't get it back again, it goes to someone else. Personally, it doesn't seem to me that any of these people have the first clue of the actual history and traditions they are talking about. They certainly don't seem to know anything about research or credible sources for information.
Lets research together
Nguyen Hue, I have contacted senior member of the Royal Family of Vietnam Prince Nguyen Buu Phuc, and researched his contact information from The International Monarchist League,
VIETNAM
• Association de l'Imperiale Familie du Vietnam Arc-En-Ciel-Bellatrix, rue du Colonel Gassin, F-0600 Nice, France. Tel: +33 4 93851289 Contact: Prince Buu-Phuc
The link is: International Monarchist League Directory
Concerning Prince George Vinh San, can you provide me with his email address, or does he have a official statement online, or contact information, I would like to do some research on this and converse.
There is no holy war, only trying to get information for the biography, of Prince Buu Chanh and the Vientamese Imperial Family.
I just contacted Asian Scholar concerning Prince Buu Chanh and have researched I have researched this issue of the biography with *Dr. My-Van Tran an Asian Vietnamese Professor and confirmed the information please read her Scholar papers.
I am not distoring history, I will know as USER Hob suggested to get references concerning Books or Magazines, that confirm Prince Buu Chanh and the Regent of the Imperial Family of Vietnam working underneath Crown Prince Bao Long.
This is what User HOB suggested, and since he is been here longer than myself as a member, I will research this issue.
I am a history major and graduate at Saint John Univeristy, I am aware of citiations, and will provide them, when my research is complete.
I understand you have conflicting information, please provide some references you have to show that he is not a Prince, or he is Sir Buu Chanh ?Jimmyvanthach 23:22, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)
This is absurd
When will you get it through your head that having someone repeat false information does not make it true? The International Monarchist League Directory you keep citing says specifically that it does not endorse every group listed on its website. If you're so well-connected with all these "princes" why do you need me to give you Vinh San's address? Look it up on his website. As for all of Buu Chanh's name changes, why don't you try reading his book, or perhaps even he is confused on what he is at this point?
You cannot prove something that is impossible, nor does it help to keep claiming that there are alleged professors who "confirm" any of this; no one can confirm anything because it is an absolute impossibility. Why don't you provide proof of Bao Long's endorsement if you have it? Not that such a thing would matter either. You seem incapable of accepting reality, so let me try again to lay it out for you:
In Vietnamese tradition, the only way a relative could become a prince was for the Emperor to make him one (i.e. a patent of nobility).
The monarchy ended in 1945 when the last Emperor, of his own free will, abdicated in favor of Ho Chi Minh. According to Buu Chanh, he was born only a few years before this happened, so there is NO way that he could have been made a prince, nor is it possible for Bao Dai to give anyone any position whatsoever after that time because he was not emperor anymore, he was a common citizen with no more power or privelage than you or I.
Did you ever stop to think, with all of your illustrious education, that maybe the time to do reasearch would be before spamming the web with flattering claims of this guy being "Imperial Highness Prince-Regent"? The record of you and your group here has not exactly been exemplary at following the rules and reasoned, objective discourse.