Talk:God Save the King
what i think happened havnlt checked it orignally there wer4 verses here. then i added the two missing oens which which went before that scottish one. - fonzy
Does Northern Ireland have an alternate anthem? -- Zoe
I think they played "Londonderry Air/Danny Boy" at the Commonwealth Games last year, but I'd never heard it done before, and it may just have been the NI Commonwealth Games Committee's idea. Usually one side of the community's happy with GStQ and the other side would just ignore it or boo. -- Arwel
I don't think there is an alternative anthem. I'm surprised, come to think of it, that it was never included in the Good Friday Agreement. After all, the renamed the police-force and incredibly created a new logo everyone could agree with, redesigned the symbolism for court rooms, created a new logo for the assembly, etc. I'm surprised they never touched the anthem, or found a mutually agreed one. I'll ask Steven King, David Trimble's special advisor, the next time I see him whether there is one in the pipeline or whether it never was touched. STÓD/ÉÍRE 03:41 Mar 27, 2003 (UTC)
Anyone got anything to say about the tune (which I believe is called "America")? Deb 19:55 Mar 27, 2003 (UTC)
I *think* the tune has the same name as the song - when the US was looking round for songs of its own they lifted the tune, used their own words, and created the "America" of which you speak. But I could well be wrong :) UPDATE: Bit of searching round, apparently the tune dates from the mid 1700s, and has been used a national tune quite commonly! Verloren
I believe the Swiss national anthem had the same tune until recently, and Liechtenstein's still does. Germany's did before 1918 as well. But, at any rate, this is a year old discussion. What I'm wondering about is the discussion of the last verse. This verse begs God to allow Marshal Wade to defeat the Scottish Jacobite armies. Marshal Wade was fighting the Scottish Jacobite armies in 1745, and was defeated by them and replaced by the Duke of Cumberland (apparently). But yet the article claims that this verse was added later than the song's origins in 1745. That doesn't make any sense - why would they add a verse about a defeated general beaten by an already defeated threat? It seems fairly clear that this verse must have been in the song originally, and to have quickly become obsolete. Anyone know about this? john k 03:40, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)
The reason not to include the full lyrics is because Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a repository of songs, poems, documents, novels or anything else. See: Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not. There is a sister wiki project, Wikisource, that has been designed precisely for the purpose of hosting primary source material like this. Putting this stuff on Wikipedia not only contradicts its purpose it also creates unnecessary duplication between the two sister projects. I dont think any one is going to be put out by having to click a single extra link to see the full text. Iota 18:07, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)
The reason for Wikisource's existance is as a repository for lengthy documents that don't belong in full in this project. A hundred or so words as in the lyrics to a national anthem do not need to be solely placed in Wikisource. In the process of removing the lyrics you also removed the link to Marshal George Wade. Thus making the link from that article to this one confusing. The stanza also contains the line "Rebellious Scots to crush" which is of some encyclopaedic interest don't you think? Indeed the article says This support caused the later attachment of a verse, shown last in the list below, which has an anti-Scottish sentiment, and is rarely (if ever) sung nowadays. You thus made this line confusing as the verse was no longer shown. Mintguy (T) 18:23, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Mintguy, I agree with you that the whole lyric should be listed here. But did you see my comment above? I'm dubious about the claim that the line about Wade crushing rebellious Scots could possibly be a later addition. Wade was defeated by the rebellious Scots very shortly after the very first performance of the song. It only makes sense that the verse about Wade was an original verse, which very quickly ceased to be sung because Wade himself was a failure. 19:00, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)