Talk:History of Romania (1989–present)

i'm sorry Jmabel if I'm not discussing with you first before making edits, but the articles on key moments of Romania's are formulated in a pro-hungarian POV.

the Fall of Ceausescu is not the result of a Hungarian priest Protest, but a result of the events in Bucharest.

the protest of hungarian catholic priest Laszlo Tokes didn't spread across the country, but the gathered population in the manifestation from 22 december, swept Ceausescu from power after his deplorable speech, like when he promised another 4 bucks to a worker's salary.

Iliescu didn't "took over as president in 22 December" this is nonsens. only in 1990 was he elected as president. in 22 december Ceausescu wasn't even dead.

I'll wait for your reply or others reply before editing back the 22 december paragraph. -- criztu

On Ilisecu declaring himself acting president I'm not sure. The information has sat unchallenged for a very long time, so its removal without comment seemed inappropriate. He certainly took over effective leadership on that date. Could you (or someone) try to sort out exactly in what was the theory of succession, in what capacity he took over de facto rule prior to elections?

the information sat unchallenged because there weren't too much contributors

As far as the demonstrations spreading: by December 22, there had been a week-long a state of anarchy in Timişoara. I have reliably heard that the situation was similar in Sibiu, and have been told that it was in Cluj, and Lugoj as well. Every commentator I've ever read, and every Romanian with whom I've ever discussed this (certainly dozens, probably hundreds) has seen the events in Bucharest as a continuation of this sequence of events. If you don't think this is what happened, I am confident in saying that you are in a very small minority. If you can find a reputable source that holds your view, it would probably be worth mentioning in Romanian Revolution of 1989, but certainly does not merit removing the prevailing view from this article. -- Jmabel | Talk 18:37, Oct 25, 2004 (UTC)

the chronology of the events in december 1989 are as follow:

• 16-20 december the protests in Timisoara
• until 21 december there were no protests outside Timisoara.
• in the evening of 20 december Ceausescu held a televised speach to the nation about the events in Timisoara
• on 21 december the mitting summoned by Ceausescu in Bucuresti breaks into riot. Ceausescu hides inside CC building. TV transmision breaks off. all across the country groups of protesters gather on the streets.
• in the morning of 22 december is announced on TV the "suicide" of army general Vasile Milea. the protesters in Bucuresti "assault" the CC building. Ceausescu flees by helicopter.

online reference - http://www.ceausescu.org http://www.primariatm.ro (Timisoara city hall site) http://www.evenimentul.ro (journal) http://www.jurnalul.ro (journal) http://www.pntcd.ro (party)

please share your sources that attest the spread of protest from Timisoara prior to Ceausescu's TV speech on 12-20-1989 and Bucuresti meeting 12-21-1989

you should acknowledge the supressed Workers Strike in Brasov 1987 -- criztu

• I "should acknowledge...?" Have I ever commented either way on the matter? I know little about it.

• I've been trying to contact various people who are much more expert than I on the events of December 1989. Give them a few days to chime in. Many of them have worked on this and related articles in the past, but they obviously haven't got as much time as I have this week, so they haven't gotten in here immediately. I'm sitting in Seattle right now, which doesn't exactly give me access to a Romanian library. If no one jumps in within a week or so, I'll try to do some library research here, but to be honest I have no idea what resources the Seattle Public Library has on this. -- Jmabel | Talk 07:58, Oct 26, 2004 (UTC)