Talk:Potemkin Stairs

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DYK

Great article! Could we hammer out a DYK nomination here and then submit it? --Irpen 05:01, 2 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I was looking at Template_talk:Did_you_know#Suggestions any suggestion about the catchy title? Odessaukrain 09:31, 2 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

DYK Suggestion

Here is a try at Potemkin Stairs DYK:

"...that the Potemkin Stairs located in Odessa, Ukraine create an optical illusion, when either the landings or the stairs are invisible depending on an observer's vantage point?"--Riurik 18:11, 2 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thats beautiful, great job, I will post it now. Odessaukrain 20:47, 2 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Posted: Template_talk:Did_you_know#August_2 Odessaukrain 20:49, 2 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Duc

I wonder whether the Duke de Richelieu Monument really belongs to this article. --Ghirla -трёп- 06:39, 2 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It is at the very top of the stairs, and a major part of the stairs. If you would like, you can make a new page about the monument, and I could add a {{futher|}} tag to this page.
I was thinking of mentioning the semi-circular buildings around the duke too, but maybe that is too much.
Maybe I can also write an article on the:

Battleship Potemkin?

Any reference to this movie could be made to maybe somehow make this into a catchy DYK. Great article, well-written. -- mno 17:39, 2 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Original name?

There are revert conflict on Odessa article on original stars name:

  • There are some confusion at Image:Potemkinstairs.jpg as name Richelieu Stairs (Russian: Ришельевская лестница) used on photo confusing name of stairs with statue of Richelieu on top of it.
    • Sorry, I do not see how the name "l'escalier Richelieu" could be confusing or misleading for anyone with even tangential knowledge of Russian in general, and with the tradition of street-naming in Odessa in particular. By the same token, you can argue that Ekaterininskaya refers not to the street and square, but to the statue of Catherine II, located at the said square (and where the street begins). As for the original name of the stairs, the question is open.--Barbatus 18:42, 3 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • In the past there were names Giant, Boulevard, City stairs (Russian: Гигантская, Бульварная, Городская) used according to misto.odessa.ua
  • Other longer name is Nikolaevskii Boulevard stairs (Russian: лестница на Николаевском бульваре according to old postcard.
  • In the same time there are name Primorsky stairs (Russian: Приморская) used at "Памятники градостроительства и архитектуры Украинской ССР". В четырех томах. Том 4, стр.265. Киев, "Будивэльнык", 1983-1986).

We definitely need to figure correct name out - as there are conflicting information in WikiPedia - for example here Battleship Potemkin "Odessa Steps (Primorsky or Potemkin Stairs)". The one way to figure correct name is to make photo of sign attached to stairs (near top) - but I'm unable to do this as I'm out of city for long time. --TAG 14:45, 3 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If the Primorsky Stairs is the official name, it seems proper to include it alongside the Potemkin Stairs something similar to: "the Potemkin Stairs or officially the Primorsky Stairs."
However, the stairs have a rich history and maybe all the various names could be incorporated (chronologically, or in a table format by date) within the history section?
Also the DYK nomination appears to be stalling on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Did_you_know#August_2, see below; is anyone in a position to get the optical effect picture?--Riurik 16:16, 3 August 2006 (UTC):[reply]
"...that the Potemkin Stairs located in Odessa, Ukraine create an optical illusion, where either the landings or the stairs are invisible depending on an observer's vantage point?" Odessaukrain 20:48, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
(sorry) but you can see some of the landings in both pictures in the article. Ruhrfisch 02:58, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
Yes, however if I am not mistaken, one would not see any stairs, if he/she were at the bottom of the stairs. The optical illusion is still a DYK fact. A picture may eventually come up but by then the article may be out of the 5 day range. Best regards
It seems a little odd to make that claim but then not back it up with a picture - I'm sure that people clicking on the item will expect to see it for themselves within the article. ,--Riurik 15:11, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
"The stairs were originally known as the Boulevard steps or the Giant Staircase." Karakina, Yelena (2004). Touring Odessa. BDRUK. ISBN 9668137019. {{cite book}}: External link in |title= (help); Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help) p. 32
Odessa, a guide, and Herlihy calls them the "Potemin stairs" througout.
Is there a plaque at the top of the stairs? Interesting. I have never seen it and have never run across it on the internet. Odessa, a guide states that there is a plaque at the bottom:
"It was at the foot of the Potemkin stairway that the first piles for the future port were driven in by Suvorov's soldiers. This is commemorated by the plaque on the wall of the passenger Sea Terminal. It reads: "The first installations, from which began the construction of the port and city of Odessa were laid here on August 22nd (September 2nd), 1794." (p. 52)
Image:Treppe in Odessa.jpeg shows the disappearing landings. I will add that to the article. Odessaukrain 17:24, 3 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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