Talk:Big Brother (franchise)

Amongst several changes I made today, I removed this after failing to find any evidence for it:

"In the UK, part of the profits are split between three charities."

Note that Celebrity Big Brother does raise cash for charities, so I added:

"In the UK there have been several 'Celebrity Big Brother' series, which have drawn huge viewing figures and raised money for charity."

BTW, for this type of TV show, there's too much talk about the viewer's experience of the show and not enough about it as a remarkable business model for its inventors. The Big Brother phenomenon is more than just a matter for the TV critic. Good info on John de Mol and his brainchild on Forbes site. Next stop: Who Wants to Be a Millionaire -- Hotlorp 02:05, 19 Dec 2003 (UTC)

American Big Brother and NPOV

I've seen some edits to the section on American Big Brother that seem biased. If it is important to have an article on Big Brother, it should be an informational encyclopedia piece, and it should demonstrate the cultural relevance of the show. It should not be gossipy or opinionated.

I'm changing the recent edit to something more NPOV. I'm happy to discuss further changes. Thirdreel 19:45, 7 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I've done a revamp of the seasons. Feel free to edit. Mike H 21:54, Jul 18, 2004 (UTC)

Several places in the article say that contestant are voted out by the TV audience, but this isn't the case everywhere, like the U.S. July 17 -Merick

Australian Big Brother section

The paragraph about Merlin's refugee protest was removed, see this edit: [1] . I think it deserves some mention, but I can see where the anon editor was coming from as it surely isn't the only notable event in the four season history of the show. I guess the whole Aussie section needs a bit more content. I was going to re-instate it but thought I would leave it up for discussion. Chuq 04:58, 18 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Full housemate lists?

I notice the Australian Idol, Pop Idol etc articles have a list of the top 12 contestants for each season. I think this would be a good idea for the Big Brother shows, but it gets a bit crowded with all the various Big Brother's around the world. The Idol series have different names so they have a natural disambiguator - does anyone think this article should be split into articles Big Brother (Australia), and so on, for each country? -- Chuq 12:32, 26 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Yes, I thought about doing that when I recently beefed up the UK info (but laziness won out that time). It would also help categorisation, since each country's article could be placed in the appropriate TV-related categories for that country. Using articles named Big Brother (Country) seems a good plan. -- Avaragado 15:32, 26 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Emphatic agreement. I think this addresses a little of the "trivia/gossip" point I was making above. The main 'Big Brother television program' should explain what the show is, what the rules are, and some basic facts about the difference between countries' versions. I think having separate articles would allow a place for a little more trivia about who voted for whom and who said what when they were voted out, without overly cluttering the main article.Thirdreel 20:42, 26 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Excellent idea! I have moved the entries relating to the UK version to Big Brother (UK). -- TonyW 15:46, Jul 27, 2004 (UTC)

Italian Big Brother Winner, 2004

2004 edition: won by Israeli-born Jonathan Kashanian (male), 23 years old. Official Italian Brother Website: www.grandefratello.com

2003 edition (summer): won by Serena Garitto (Female), from Genoa. 2003 edition (winter): won by Floriana (female) from Rome 2002 edition: won by Flavio Montrucchio(male) from Turin 2001 edition: won by Cristina Plevani (female) from Brescia - first winner of Big Brother Italy

Corrections

I removed the 'fact' that

• Shortest stay in the house: 8 days Veneta Mileva-Ilieva, BG, 2004

Sunita in Big Brother UK walked out in just 6 days. I'm sure there have been others - celebrities? guests? - who have lasted even less time.

The shortest stay as im aware was 3 days bb3 uk sunita

I also removed: Big Brother UK was the first and only country from which a Big Brother has flirted with housemate and has dated them. as it is not evidenced and I have no idea what it is referring

It seems to be a reference to the current series of Big Brother in the UK where a housemate won a "date" with Big Brother which amounted to eating a meal in the diary room while Big Brother flirted with him in a humorous way. Not sure if it's really relevant though.--FlooK 20:51, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Rachel in BB Australia 2001 entered the house as an intruder and was evicted three days later. Asa01 20:14, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Rex van Iersel in BB Netherlands 2000 entered the house as an intruder and was evicted only two days later.Hunter 12:51, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Wasn't there one country where someone walked out after 2 hours? Who was that? Triangle e 15:24, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Mercedes in GH5 Spain walked out after about 2 hours which is the shortest time for a voluntary abandonment. I beleive the shortest stay in a BB House for an actual Housemate was Klára in BB1 Czech Republic who entered the House with her sister, the viewers had to vote to evict a sister and Klára was evicted after about 1 hour of her entering the house. GrahamUK 6th July 2006.

Main Picture: "Big Brother Logo"

This picture/logo currently has a sub-heading entitle "Big Brother Logo". This is wrong because it is only the American logo, it is not the logo for all of the Big Brother tv shows. So I am changing it to "American Big Brother Logo".

"try to avoid periodic publicly-voted evictions"

Is it "Pinoy Big Brother" or just "Big Brother" ?

I don't know about you Pabs, but "Pinoy" does not mean "from the Philippines," by a colloquial word for "Filipino (man)." Just ask the man on the street. And it is always stressed that the name of the Philippine version is "Pinoy Big Brother." Why are you stressing that the Philippine version is just called "Big Brother"?

The official name of the Philippine version of the series is Pinoy Big Brother, and not Big Brother itself. Please don't change it unless you can prove otherwise. Circa 1900 08:42, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Agreed, the term "Pinoy Big Brother" is used throughout their website, where the other versions would simply use "Big Brother". Thanks/wangi 13:57, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Can say for 100% that the official title is Pinoy Big Brother, as opposed to international versions. It is just as much as different title as "Loft Story". Bluejam 17:51, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

First, how should we define "local title"? Is it the mere translation of "Big Brother" into the local language? Or is it by how the locals themselves call the program? We need to have a consensus on the matter. Circa 1900 05:08, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Good point. From what I've seen around the world, many non-English speaking countries still use "Big Brother" as the title. Then there's the Spanish speaking countries who use "Gran Hermano" and the French version "Loft Story". "Pinoy Big Brother" is used as the standard title of the programme in the Phillipines, which is why I think it goes alongside these others, I don't see why there's a column for "Local Name" if the proper name isn't put under it. Bluejam 12:40, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

If the current standards will be used, I suggest we'd change the heading from "Local Name" to "Local language translation" or something to that effect. Circa 1900 17:05, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

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Left/Right criticisms

I have found plenty of Right criticisms of BB, but am finding it difficult to locate any left wing/intellectual critique of BB. Perhaps someone could add some useful anti-BB links. Thanks.

-Ash.

Didn't the contestants in the first Spanish one successfully organise a threat to all leave and Big Brother had to back down on a request? I remember seeing this on a documentary in the UK on the BB phenomenon ages ago. Most contestants seem to obey these days. Apart from Ahmed in Series 5.--Darrelljon 22:17, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

And wasn't all of Galloway's speeches cut out of CBB.--Darrelljon 20:36, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Template:Big Brother USA season 6 background considered for deletion

The template {{Big Brother USA season 6 background}} is being considered for deletion. To participate in the discussion go to Wikipedia:Templates for deletion#Template:Big Brother USA season 6 background. This template is included in all of the bio articles for Big Brother USA season 6. --Rob 08:07, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Big Brother and tontines

Can the Big Brother series be viewed as a category of tontine?

Jackiespeel 16:27, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Only by really stretching the definition, since the "winner" of a tontine has literally survived the others, not just failed to be voted out of the group. Rlquall 17:16, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Pinoy Big Brother explanation

let me just reiterate this to those who do not understand. Pinoy Big Brother is the name of the official Big Brother Philippine version here in the Philippines. Pinoy is the colloquial word for the word Filipino. Just to make it more nationalistic so thats why it renamed Pinoy Big Brother here in the Philippines.

Big Brother contestant Belinda Thorpe up for deletion

Those familiar with the topic, may wish to discussion possible deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Belinda Thorpe (2nd nomination). --Rob 19:50, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

when is the new bigbrother start

Changing the picture

I think we need to change the picture in the upper right hand corner. It is commonplace for TV series to have their logo's displayed in Wikipedia, and that map does not show anything. It says it highlights the countries that show Big Brother, but it doesn't denote what color it is for the country to have the show. Just looking at the map tells you nothing, plus it's too small to be useful where it is. Anybody else have an opinion? --134.124.63.228 05:02, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

• The picture doesn't have the info on it, it's underneath the pic on the picture's page. JD 20:21, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Why is U.S. Big Brother in "Around the World" changed?

I'm not exactly sure of why, but for some reason, every time I add "Upcoming Season" to the List of Winners, it is deleted. There are already several verifiable sources that could cite that there will be a BB season this summer. FireSpike 00:26, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

The Upcoming US season has been confirmed as an All Star season, and All Star Editions are not included on this page (Belgium All Stars as an example). There is a separate page for Other special versions. GrahamUK 22 April 2006.

There needs to be a note above that section that special seasons of Big Brother in a certain area (like All Stars) that it gets placed in the Big Brother Other Editions article. Alucard_16 28 July 2006.

Table

Why not place all the winners' names in the article's table? For me, I think that it would be more encyclopedic if all the names of the winners from special seasons, such as Teen Big Brother, Celebrity Big Brother are placed there, albeit in italics. What do you think? --User:Matthewprc 04:36, 02 May 2006 (UTC)

Czech BB

The current Big Brother (Czech TV series) might well be a hoax, but that is not a reason for linking instead to a foreign wp - cs:Big Brother. We need to tidy up the English language Wikipedia article. /wangi 14:29, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

The Czech version is called Veľky Brať (Big Brother), so totally useless page.ZlatkoT 09:30, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Please edit and improve the article - Velký Bratr now redirects to the article. Thanks/wangi 09:55, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

1984

Would it be encyclopedic to note that, despite the obvious, that apparently for copyright purposes, each show contains a disclaimer that the series is not based upon George Orwell's 1984 (even though that is obviously where the phrase, "Big Brother is watching you" originated? Rlquall 17:14, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

I've never seen this on an episode of Big Brother UK, or Big Brother Australia. JD 20:21, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

I've neither seen that disclaimer on any episode of BB Aust., nor have I heard that phrase being used on the show. Asa01 21:58, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

The phrase "Big Brother will be watching" is used on BB UK occasionally, spoken by Big Brother him/herself; although the presenters rarely say it. I haven't ever heard "Big Brother is watching you" though. JD 22:19, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

In any event, disclaimers like the one mentioned above do not excuse productions from copyright law. I don't know too much about whether a single phrase would fall under copyright law, but if it did, then that would also apply to the words Big Brother itself in the shows title. The producers would merely pay royalities. They already spend big $$$$ making the show so could probably afford it. Asa01 20:17, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Virtual Big Brother

Big Brother is not only a hit on the television, it is also a hit as an internet game dubbed "Virtual Big Brother or "Online Big Brother." These games are usually played on forums and have been very popular amongst the British but there have been a few that have come from the US and one from Australia.

Youngest Housemate

Do we know who the youngest housemate ever in the world is? Glyn Wise in the current show is 18 and still in school so it definitely the youngest British housemate (excluding teen bb). Anyone know? Triangle e 14:33, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

There have been a lot of housemates with 18 years old in BB History, so there isn't a name. Pabs

with regards to that statement, there IS a youngest housemate. 18 years and 2 months is younger than 18 years and 3 months. If we have dates of birth, we can check. Glyn was 18 years and 5 months when he enterred the house. Any advances? Triangle e 21:11, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

The problem is there have been a lot of 18 year old Housemates and as some countries don't release dates of births it would be imposible to determine who was the youngest. Leah (BB3 Australia), Danielle (BB6 Australia), Liesel (BB2 Belgium), Juliana (BB5 Brazil), Radomira (BB2 Bulgaria) were all 18 when they entered the house - I could go on I only got to countries begining with letters A and B. (GrahamUK, 22 June 2006)

Since Joscelyn Savanna (BB5, NL) was born within the BB-house she's obviously the youngest. Hunter 04:30, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

That is a good point, although does she count as a housemate? I haven't seen the Dutch show so I dunno. I suppose she is the youngest really. Bizarre! Triangle e 21:11, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

She would be the youngest inhabitant but not the youngest Housemate. (GrahamUK, 22 June 2006)

• Aldred Gatchalian in Pinoy Big Brother Teen Edition is the youngest housemate- 15 yrs.old.

I'm afraid that he doesn't count. The Teen edition is like the Celebrity edition in the sense that it is dealt with seperately. Triangle e 21:11, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Tourettes

I think this needs to be settled once and for all... I think it's the BB Aus housemate who should get the "first housemate with tourettes" award - there's proof he has tourettes, and he was there first. Can we stop the edit warring please? -- cds^(talk) 16:38, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

I think you are getting a little excited. There is no edit war. -- Barrylb 19:43, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

lmao I would have said that much earlier, but I didn't want to cause an argument. Plus, it would have kinda been hypocritical. JD 19:57, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

On the BB Australia official website diary page for day 31 at time 18:58 it says:

John talks with Michael about his mild "ticks".
"Did you worry about being able to get in here?" Michael asks him.
"To be honest, I did," replies John, "but I don't think I have it (tourette's) and I dont identify myself as having it. Yes, I do twitch more than other people but I don't think it is really a big part of me."
http://bigbrother.3mobile.com.au/diary/day_31.asp -- GrahamUK, 3rd July 2006.

But he said before that he had been to a doctor when he was young, and he wouldn't tell the housemates he had GTS if he himself questioned this. --JD[^{don't talk}|_email] 11:21, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Article length

The article is longer than recommended - any ideas for cutting it down to size? -- cds^(talk) 16:31, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Could make the facts into a new article. --JD^talk_email 16:35, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

I was thinking that - either that, or the different countries, maybe? -- cds^(talk) 16:59, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

The facts are irrelevant; the countries section isn't. --JD^talk_email 17:13, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

It's less than 1kb over the recommended length, it's nothing to worry about. In my opinion, a few bytes is too little to make any difference, but if something has to be done, just trim down one of the sections - "Format" perhaps. — FireFox ^user_talk 17:29, 03 June '06

"All ways you can leave house"

Does anyone know what this actually means? It makes little sense to me. Should we allow it? Expand on it? Keep removing it? -- 9cds^(talk) 14:34, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

I expect they mean that as well as normal evictions, there were also ejected for rule-breaking and people deciding to leave (I know one housemate left because their father was ill) but this surely can't the first time this happened. Bluejam 15:28, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Big Brother Australia

why was the 2002 for Australia - "First Big Brother to have a double eviction and all housemates nominated" deleted?

and would having a separate house of 6 intruders with the public voting in 3 to the main house in 2002 be a first as well?

Big Brother themes

Do, or have in the past, more than one country use a similar theme for their own Big Brother series? I'm sure the theme the US series had for their first season is similar to Germany or some other country like that. --JD^talk_email 18:14, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

New fact

Can we add "most housemates after 7 weeks - 13" in the big brother facts? This is in the current UK Big Brother (BB7)

No. Big Brother's 5 and 6 Germany had 15 Housemates at that stage. In fact they still had 15 Housemates when they got past the 40 week stage. GrahamUK 7th July 2006.

Okay, i didnt know that. Thanks for the fact.

Friday Night Live

I added Big Brother Aus's Friday Night Live to the peculiarities section, and it has been removed a couple of times on the basis that it's also used in other series. I don't know that much about the non-Australian series of Big Brother, but checking around the other articles the only thing I can see that is similar is the USA's Head of Household, which still seems fairly different from FNL. In any case, I think it's individual enough to warrant a mention in the peculiarities section. Cyclone49 14:05, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Renaming the Big Brother pages

I was thinking about renaming the Big Brother pages, so that they are closer to the official names, and so they aren't unnecessarily long. Something like Big Brother Australia 6, or Big Brother 6 Australia. What do other people think? --JD[^{don't talk}|_email] 15:20, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Sounds fine, but the latter of the two you suggested, with the country name at the end... ellisjm 15:22, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Oh, I should have said, the same for the main article pages? For the purpouse of staying with the official names, and all. --JD[^{don't talk}|_email] 15:25, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

D'you mean instead of Big Brother (UK), just Big Brother UK?? If so, fine... ellisjm 15:28, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Yeah. --JD[^{don't talk}|_email] 15:28, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Disagree - a lot of work for what benefit? Surely they call it "Big Brother" in Oz, not "Big Brother Australia"? See WP:NAME also. If you do go ahead I would not take agreement here as enough - you'll need to at least discuss on each article page / use WP:RM. Thanks/wangi 15:30, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

The official name is Big Brother Australia, not Big Brother. I understand the normal way to name a television article is to have the name of the show, then the country after it; but the country is already in the show's official name. --JD[^{don't talk}|_email] 15:33, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Well their website seems to refer to it simply as "Big Brother", as does our article. /wangi 15:44, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

I contacted Endemol a while ago, and they informed me that, for Big Brother Australia at least, the real name is Big Brother Australia. It's like Rove Live: people call it Rove, but it's real name is Rove Live. Just an example, though. --JD[^{don't talk}|_email] 15:47, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

"Facts"

I have removed this section. It doesn't contain facts, it contains mere trivia - which is not encyclopedic and none of which is referenced. Please see the following Wikipedia policies / guidelines:

• Wikipedia:Citing sources
• Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not (in particular Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information)

Thanks/wangi 22:02, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

• • You reverted arguing:
    • Wikipedia:Citing sources >> There, it says: When to cite sources: If you add any information to an article, particularly if it's contentious or likely to be challenged, you should supply a source. And that's what we do here. See the particular case of Tourette's controversy.
    • Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not (in particular Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information) >>> It says, among other things with nothing to do with this case, wikipedia is not: Lists of Frequently Asked Questions. Lists or repositories of loosely associated topics such as quotations, aphorisms, or persons (real or fictional). Travel guides. Memorials (wikipedia is not the place to honor departed friends and relatives). News reports. Genealogical entries, or phonebook entries - biography articles should only be for people with some sort of fame, achievement, or perhaps notoriety. Directories, directory entries, TV/Radio Guide or a resource for conducting business - wikipedia is not the yellow pages. Instruction manuals. Internet guides - wikipedia articles should not exist only to describe the nature, appearance or services a website offers. Textbooks and annotated texts. Plot summaries - wikipedia articles should not act solely as a summary of the plot of a work of fiction.; and the facts section is not none of these assumptions (including the previous allegation), therefore, I do not see any reason, so far, and basing it on your justifications, to eliminate the section. Pabs 01:46 CET 13 JULY 2006

Slight clarification - I didn't revert - I removed with justification; I didn't argue - I started a discussion.

Sorry if these words aren't the most appropiate, but I'm not English speaker and I try to express myself as correct as I can :-)

I stand by that these "facts" are pointless unecyclopedic trivia, and that they are unsourced. Your quote on sources actually proves my point - "When to cite sources: If you add any information to an article, particularly if it's contentious or likely to be challenged, you should supply a source". It's saying you should always add references, especially when the information is contentious (as those "facts" are). Thanks/wangi 00:18, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

The facts being 'pointless unecyclopedic' is just a personal appreciation. In fact, there are a lot of wikiarticles with trivia (as you called it) information. About adding sources for each and every information located in wikipedia, it's materially impossible to do. In fact, this does not become, and for that reason it remarks and makes it specific saying particulary, talking about controversial information. I do understand that kind of challenged information may need a source in order to center the debate, and that's what people use to do here. Pabs 3:01 CET 13-06-06

The information is contentious, because, well I feel it is - that's the definiton of contentious ;)

An interesting essay: Wikipedia:Fancruft. Thanks/wangi 14:09, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

=Deleted wikiboxes saying ...

• ...section does not cite its references or sources, because ...

when to cite sources according to wikipedia:

- when it goes on contentious information: who determines what contentious is or is not in any case? once determined that meaning with consensus, is [or isn't] each and every fact contentius or just some of them? In any case, the fact that provokes controversy or the community considers necessarily opportune a verification can be indicated in particular. In this case in individual, we're not talking about opinions, but about facts. Real facts that, by a chronological matter or because it has a wide complexity meaning, many of them don't have alive references in Internet. For example, what source can you remark for First Big Brother with all the housemates nominated: GH1 Spain or Season with fewest contestants: 10, BB1 USA, BB1 Sweden and GF1 Italy?

- when you quote someone: there is no quotation.

- disputed test: all the dispute here is about the sources, not the facts. And when a fact is disputed, you can add the command to remark it when it needs a citation.

• ... the importance of the section: There is no official policy on notability or importance. And wikipedia says: An article is "important" enough to be included in Wikipedia if any one of the following is true: 1. There is evidence that a reasonable number of people are, were or might be simultaneously interested in the subject. This section is the one with most edits and the main article is edited several times every day. And last but not least, that wikibox says If you are familiar with it, please expand the section, or discuss its significance on the talk page. and I don't see any debate or propose about it in here.

Greetings! Pabs, 22:04 CET 17-06-06

The infobox's usage on Big Brother articles

A straw poll is taking place on this page about whether the current infobox used on Big Brother series articles should stay, or if the one previously in use should be used again. Users are encouraged to vote, but are not obligated to. If you have the time, please look at the straw poll. --JD[^{don't talk}|_email] 21:49, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Pete Bennett

Why is a second form of Tourette syndrome there for Pete Bennett of Big Brother 7 UK? This all started because somebody thought he was the first Big Brother housemate to have had GTS, but when that was proven to be incorrect it was changed. Since then, people have fought over it, and somebody's tried to end this by branching it out into a second form. As far as I can see, this hasn't been done for any other fact or piece of pointless information that's there. Has it actually been said or proven that he has Coprolalia form of Tourette? Who are we to define more than one type of this, unless Pete himself, or a reputable source, has said this? Even if it is true, we can't define more than one type of GTS, because no type has been defined for John Bric of Big Brother 2006 Australia. Why can't this just be removed and forgotten about? —JD[^{don't talk}|_email] 17:52, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

I agree to a certain extent. We're getting to the stage that it's nearly as bad as saying "First housemate with Blonde hair", or "First housemate with a surname beginning with 'S'". — FireFox ^(talk) _{17:55, 31 July '06}

I also agree. I would also argue that the John Bric tourettes fact should be removed as it was minor and did not have any significance to his stay in the house. I think that the facts should be Big Brother related (ie eviction percentages, numbers of housemates etc.) and things like illnesses should only be listed if it made an impact on their stay in the house or was promoted by the show (for example I would have no problem with Kenny from BB5 Belgium being listed as having HIV as it was part of the shows promotion). Grahamuk 20:19, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

I was considering removing it earlier, but wanted to see what people would say here first. —JD[^{don't talk}|_email] 20:21, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

OK. John's tourette's wasn't really a major part of him, but Pete's tourette's is a major part of him. He has coprolalia because in one of the first BBLB's, a guy from the tourette association or something was talking about pete's condition and mentioned that Pete hs coprolalia... godgoddingham333 21:11, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Okay, fair enough. But according to the Wikipedia article, coprrolalia isn't a form of GTS; it's only a characteristic. Unless this can be proven otherwise, the fact that Pete has GTS can't be added, but the fact that he has coprolalia may be worthy of insertion. —JD[^{don't talk}|_email] 21:14, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

See my "Facts" section above, which basically got shat on by another editor, and my concerns ridiculed. Worth considering: WP:TRIVIA. Thanks/wangi 21:17, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

You're not alone on thinking the Facts sections on Big Brother articles shouldn't be there, but the fact is it looks like they are staying, whether we want them or not. While I don't actually have a problem with their being there, it's the fact that pieces of information, like this for example, are causing arguments and revert wars. There are also other things that don't need to be there, and other stuff that should be on the individual Big Brother series articles. —JD[^{don't talk}|_email] 21:21, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Camilla Severi - Nominate 11 Times for eviction. Thats a record.

Ok, she was up 11 times.

She survived 10,

There has to be a record in there somewhere.

How about, Most Survived Evictions: 10.

I know i have my facts right, but you dont state the rules on how the most nominations works, she was up 11 times, clearly thats enough proof.

Nominations involve housemates deciding who goes up for eviction, not Big Brother putting them up himself. The page already has enough ridiculous facts; why don't we have Bree's eviction record as well? John and Ashley's first alleged sexual assault? First birthday in the house? First female presenter. We don't need this fact, heck, we don't need half the ones that are there now. —JD[^{don't talk}|_email] 13:36, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

1. Most times up for eviction: 9, Nok, BB2 Thailand & Camilla Severi, BB6 Australia
2. Most successive times nominated for eviction: 9, Nok, BB2 Thailand

Camilla was UP for eviction 11 times.

She was nominated 9 times. So shouldnt it say

1. Most times up for eviction: 11, Camilla Severi, BB6 Australia
2. Most successive times nominated for eviction: 9, Nok, BB2 Thailand, Camilla Severi, BB6 Australia.

Big Brother 3 Australia - 2 houses.

BIg Brother 3 Australia had 2 houses.

Shouldnt that be classed as a first as the first series to have 2 houses running in full operation at the exact same time.

Trust me, the polls down the middle is not two houses, BB3 had literally, TWO HOUSES.

Shouldnt it be classed as a first?

No, it was not a first. And, please, relevant information... Pabs, 14:58 CET 03-08-06