Talk:Avenged Sevenfold

Genre

Avenged Sevenfold's music before City of Evil is metalcore, alt.core, and maybe grindcore (chill out people). City of Evil is Hard Rock, Alt. Rock, and Metal.

Next Single

Oh for the love, the next single is Seize The Day, NOT BURN IT DOWN! And there's no such thing as Burn It Down Part 1 and Part 2! 24.57.46.58 21:00, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

I wonder what genius thought that. And Burn It Down Pts 1 and 2? WTH? Anyway, glad it's been fixed. --CanesOL79 14:13, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Another thing, Burn it Down was never a single. They just had a live video on it on their site. God!

To correct you all, number one: Burn It Down part one and two DO exist. They were promotional videos released before City of Evil was released. They were small clips of the live video, with other parts taken out. Number two: Burn It Down is being released as a single on CD and vinyl in the UK only, but not for radio play, or for a video. -- BoaDrummer 08:00, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Still Not Metal

My mistake, hadn't heard enough of the album to judge it. From what I remember of it now, it lacked what was common to metalcore, but had much in common with alt. metal. Whatever, I don't feel like arguing. I do approve of what the page looks like right now though (metal/hard rock/hardcore). That should cover just about whatever genres they play or have played in, no? EDIT: I got it, it's those damn vocals, that ruins this whole album for me. You'd think it'd be good to get rid of the screaming... Either way, I don't have problems with 'metal' as long as hard rock and/or hardcore stay there as well. --Ryouga 21:27, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Avenged Sevenfold is simply metal, THEY'RE NOT HARDCORE...Why do you classify A7X as a Hardcore band? Hardcore bands are Black Flag, Casualties, Unseen, Lower Class Brats all of those are PUNK bands...A7X has nothing in common with any of them. So explain to me how they are Hardcore?

158.125.1.113 - A7X have in the past played metalcore, which can't be denied, whether the new album is or not. WHat I'm saying is you cannot disallow 'metalcore' as a genre if they released however many albums in that genre. If the term 'metalcore' bothers you, as I know I usually use it as a derogatory term, I say put metal. It is wrong to label them as metal because some diehard fans think so, on top of that, they were metalcore, and that WILL REMAIN as one of their genres. --64.231.37.125 21:21, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Ryouga- you have no idea what metalcore is. Seriously you should look it up. Sounding the Seventh Trumpet was a metalcore album, no question, the hardcore and metal influences were both clear. However the band now plays a style that has nothing in common with metalcore. Because of the variety in the styles A7X plays, they cannot really be pinned down to one subgenre, but debating the fact they play metal music is ridiculous.--158.125.1.113 18:55, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

I agree with Ryouga they ARE NOT metalcore, I read an interview by A7X and M. Shadows (Lead Singer) clearly said "I've always classified our music as metal"

A7X = Not Metal. Metalcore or not, I don't care, this is not metal. I don't know who keeps putting 'metal' as the genre, but it is incredibly stupid. If Slipknot is not metal, this isn't either (I'm not saying A7X is nu metal, so don't go there.) --64.231.37.125

If we cannot agree on classification, then it is only fair that both genres are included. I think the arguments from both sides are strong enough for that. Make of it what you will. (My opinion, though, they still are metalcore. And I really do not see any resemblance between their so-called 'classic metal' and the classic metal of bands like Priest and Maiden.) -- 64.231.158.189 19:51, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

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Metal-Archives has not listed them for one reason. They are still metalcore. SCREAMING does not make a band metalcore, they still have poppy choruses (beast and the harlot) and breakdowns, things common with metalcore. If you like them that's fine, metalcore doesn't mean they suck. Please, don't categorize them into something they are not --Ryouga 00:59, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

I did research on Encyclopaedia Metallum and just because they don't list Avenged Sevenfold as metal, does not mean Avenged Sevenfold is or isn't metal at all. This "encyclopedia" is merely another site full of opinions of countless random people all across the internet. I would take it more seriously if the only people giving opinions were involved in the music industry and I knew in what specific way they were involved... that way I would at least know that the genre placement is being done by individuals who know what they are talking about. When it's open to the public in such a way to collect "information" which is opinion and not real information... then I would be more likely to pay attention. Therefore, I disregard what that site has to say, it is irrelevant, full of opinion and probably wrong on as many counts as it is right. Your point has been made invalid. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.215.204.240 (talk • contribs) .

-"It's undeniable that they have some metalcore influences, it's just that overall, metal fits better." Metal does not fit better; A7X still does not produce true metal, it is too poppy sounding overall. Yes, the last album was not like the others, and had more classic metal influence, but not nearly enough. Metalcore describes them best, and until they make a complete metal album, they will probably remain metalcore.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ryouga (talk • contribs) .

Since everyone who is NOT in Avenged Sevenfold disagrees on them being metal or metalcore and everyone IN Avenged Sevenfold is 100% sure they are making metal music and it's their band and all... let's respect that and let people come to their own conclusions... on their own. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.215.204.240 (talk • contribs) .

Okay, you people piss me off! Avenged Sevenfold are not "poppy" okay? They are from southern California, for god's sake, give them a break! Being in that area means that regardless of who you are, you're still going to end up with a lot of pop and punk influences. As is said by Matt Shadows himself, "We're from southern Cali, so we grew up listening to Rancid and Green Day, but at the same time listening to stuff like Slayer. So we were like, 'I want to play in a band like that,' 'But I want to be in a band like that!' We compromised the two and made metalcore." See? You don't have to be as stupid as you sound now, do you? -Emogoth

Dumb, they sound poppy sometimes, and nowaways everything with "screaming" is metalcore these days, real metalcore calls for bands like Converge and SHai Hulud. The first person is right, just because they may have things that may be associated with metalcore it doesnt mean they are a metalcore band.With a name like Emogoth no one is going to take you seriously at all, to me you just sound like another kid cashing in the new fad. -raf

Okay dumbass, you asked for it. Converge is actually classified stoner jams, I am in fact an emogoth, and if you really want a fad, listen to that shitty hip hop. You don't seem to know fuck about real music, so shut up before I make you! Emogoth 16:23, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

If you know so much about your music, why is it so important that you gotta make post on message board asking people to come here and support you? if it was a few years back, i bet your name would not have Emo in it. YOU should research about real music. make me shut up? go ahead and try. - raf

Hahaha, "emogoth". What a douchebag. - someone much cooler than emogoth.

Emo kids are not allowed to diss people who follow trends or fads. - by —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.111.74.145 (talk • contribs) 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Just an FYI: A7X had a Tshirt a while back (availible through Hopeless Records at the time, because they didn't have their own merch site) that said "Heavy Fucking Metal" on it. That is at least an indication on what the band considered themselves at one point. I don't have any sources, because I can't seem to find the shirt anymore. I think labels are too personalized now-a-days anyways. People are too concerned about fitting in, or being individual, depending on preference. I would consider all of A7X's stuff Metal (of varying degrees) just because it sounds like other music that is labelled Metal. 64.237.142.244 20:54, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

A7X said in an interview that they play "real metal music" (whatever they consider real metal to be) [[1]] this is the source. I find it hard to categorise A7X since they have lots of different influences like punk rock, heavy metal, classical etc. - Disposable 1:44, 01 June 2006 (UTC)

FIY, hip hop is not a fad and its been around for 30 years, so little emo kid, shut up... anyway i disagree with A7x (too lazy to spell) as metal. same story blah blah blah. hmmm waffle? - pansonicyouth99 10:52, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Category membership

Why is the band under the category of "Rock Musicians of the Political Right"? If this is going to be added as a relevant category, it at least deserves some mention in the article, because it is not obvious.

The inclusion of the band in this category is more for M Shadows, who has stated in interviews that he is a member of the Republican Party and was a deep supporter of George W Bush in the 2004 election.

The article claims the band's lyrics "bear no resemblence to religious teaching". They do, however, contain many Biblical references, though they might not pretain to any specific doctrine. This seems worth mentioning to me, since this statement could lead one to believe that A7X's lyrics are not influenced by the Bible, though they clearly are.

I think that specifically the first two albums should be cited as metalcore. City of evil, and most likely following albums, totally stray from metalcore and are actually metal. I've read several interviews and articles that say the band was planning on changing styles since their second album, Waking the Fallen.

Avenged Sevenfold was considered more of a hardcore band when they came out because of their more evident punk influences ('Darkness Surrounding' for example.)

Avenged Sevenfold has stated themselves as being a metalcore band on past albums.

I believe Metal would be a good classification for A7X. They still seem to have some metalcore influences on their new cd, but it is much more metal than anything else.

It's undeniable that they have some metalcore influences, it's just that overall, metal fits better.

When it comes to Avenged Sevenfold, you can either love them or you hate them. However, if you have something so incorrect and just nasty to say, find somewhere selse to put it other than the article and/or this discussion.

Opinion is neither fact nor fiction. Therefore it is not helping people who want to find facts. If A7X is crap the reader can findout for themselves, not because of crappy comments.

It's all a mater of opinion really and the reader should be able to decipher for themselves if this particular band is crap or not.

Some people just need to stop vandalizing this page and let people decide for themselves if the band is good or not.

I personally think that the band is great and I wouldn't change them for the world.

False information about Johnny Christ's religious affiliation has been removed.

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.215.204.240 (talk • contribs) .

SIGN YOUR POSTS

Please, use the four tildes (~.~.~.~) to sign your posts. Thank you very much. --CanesOL79 23:46, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

66.215.204.240 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) metalcore > metal

66.215.204.240 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) keeps on changing from metalcore to metal. User has violated the 3 revert rules multiple times within several days. User will not discuss his/her rationale for changes. User will not provide an online source that say that the band is "metal." User will be reverted each time he/she changes to from metalcore to metal. Everyone, please keep an eye on this user and revert him/her until he/she provide sources that the band is metal. Sarbox 07:38, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

A message for 66.215.204.240, please provide an online source that we can look at that say the band is metal. If you do not know the difference between metal and metalcore, I suggest that you read those two articles and think about the differences. There is nothing wrong with this band being metalcore. Please provide a source before changing the information again. You will be reverted each time if you do not provide a link to where we can see that the band is actually metal. Sarbox 07:43, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Here is one for starters and I think in this case it would be the most important. http://www.avengedsevenfold.com/main.html Click on the biography link on the bottom (it won't let me directly link to it) and you will see that they call themselves a hard rock band. So maybe, to make everyone happy to some degree it can be changed to hard rock. I have read countless magazines that talk about their MUSIC (I'm not talking about rumors in articles, here) which call them metal. I have not seen them labelled as metalcore since Waking the Fallen, with the exception of the kids on this website. The band would feel grossly misinterpreted by this term being used to describe their music. You're right, there is nothing wrong with metalcore, no one with any sort of intelligence would argue such a thing because it's all a matter of taste and it isn't the point. The point is that regardless of some silly "enyclopedia of metal" website and what they think, this band does not feel they play that type of music, they don't want to be associated with that scene, they have been quite vocal about it and the vast majority of their fans know they do not play metalcore music. So if someone wants to change it to hard rock, that would be much more accurate. I was simply putting metal because that is what a lot of press has said and that is what M. Shadows has said more times than I care to remember. As I said in my earlier comment on here, the band feels that they are certain things and not certain things and regardless of what anyone else says about it, it isn't their band. -66.215.204.240

While I'm at it, I would also like to let you guys know that interviews in the press about this band and the things the press has to say about their personal lives are not accurate. I will have a link to prove this soon, as well. This is why I have been deleting some random personal information... because not only is it false, but its source is not being posted so that people can make a reference between what is fact and what has been said in an interview, where they have said many many times that they lie, make up stories and play jokes on the press. -66.215.204.240

http://www.avengedsevenfold.com/forums/showthread.php?p=16826446#post16826446

"If you read the earlier posts you would have seen that even if we don't talk about sex and drugs at this point, it still is part of the articles people write about us. Like most people (no offense) there is obviously a lot you don't understand about the music industry. We have no choice if we get put into a teen mag. (btw i haven't seen this). Magazines don't need any permission to write about us or do articles. If we were to see something or hear something we didn't like was going to press we would have no control over it. We are a band, people write what they are gonna write, people feel the way they are gonna feel and there is just about nothing we can do about it." This was written by the singer, himself on their site, to prove my point that a lot of the magazine articles about this band probably shouldn't be taken seriously... making none of them good candidates to go on wikipedia. I'm not doing this to be a nuisance, I just want to prove to you that I am not vandalizing these pages, I'm simply taking out what is rumors/unsourced/straight up wrong/personal opinion. I, like the rest of you, want the page to contain truth. -66.215.204.240

Suggestion

It really doesn't matter what you think the band is. What is important is that you can verify what is written here. Since some magazines seem to disagree with the bands assesment of itself why don't you write something along the lines of "....while they see themselves as Metal musicmagazines like <insert name> classify them as Metalcore ... " Agathoclea 16:44, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Further suggestion--- Wouldn't it suffice to say in the article that the band's genre is disputed by many between metal, metalcore and hard metal? Then once somebody asks the band which genre they consider themselves, make THAT genre their listed genre. James J. L. Marshall 00:14, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Genre

They are not nu-metal, they're hard rock. Jason 640 14:50, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, it's debatable whether they're hard rock (see the above discussion), but it's pretty obvious they're not nü metal (yes, I use the umlaut). Nü metal are bands like Korn, Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park. Totally NOTHING in common with A7X. That's like saying 2Pac was country or Mozart was emo...heh heh. I haven't heard enough of their music and that of similar bands to figure it out 4 me self, but based on what I have heard, they're definitely not nu metal. The real debate is between metal, metalcore, and yes...hard rock. --Wikiwow 17:54, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Art Smith.....

Just for your information: Art Smith is NOT a former member of Avenged Sevenfold. He is a student at my school who has been repeatedly vandalising this page. Keep an eye on it.

Jstone123 21:52, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

What is Punk Rock Death Metal?

Bloodredchaos 10:08, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

A chunk of ironized granite beaten to death by punks. Heh heh...I'm toooo funny. --Wikiwow 18:00, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

It's not difficult

People, they are METALCORE. They aren't classified as such to be insulted, it's simply a genre. If the band said they were Northern Hyperblast Whistle Metal some of you would believe them. You fanboys take them more seriously than they take themselves. They ARE NOT hardcore punk, get this through your skull. For instance, listen to a hardcore band such as Black Flag, and take note of their musical style. Then, compare this to Avenged Sevenfold. It's not shameful to be metalcore, so stop taking metal elitists so seriously and understand that metalcore is JUST A GENRE. Convalesce990 19:26, 13 June 2006 (UTC)Convalesce990

Avenged Sevenfold has stated themselves as being a metalcore band on past albums.HawkerTyphoon 19:28, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

In some of their most recent interviews, M.Shadows has said himself that they are a heavy metal band. http://ultimate-guitar.com/news/interviews/avenged_sevenfold_we_are_full-on_heavy_metal_band.html. LOOK! He says himself, they're a heavy metal band! 24.57.46.58 03:52, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm sure you like them, and thus want your favorite band to be rememberd as X-tra brutal heavy metal, and would also like their word to be taken as gospel. But no, it doesn't matter what they say, they aren't heavy metal. Which brings me to the article, in which they are listed as heavy metal/metalcore. This is redundant, as metalcore is the fusion of heavy metal and hardcore punk. I would expect better out of those who frequent Wikipedia, as this information is readily available on the website.

Convalesce990 23:51, 25 June 2006 (UTC)Convalesce990

This needs to be finished

A band cannot be hadcore punk/metalcore, since metalcore is the fusion of hardcore and heavy metal. The moron who disputes this shouldn't be listening to any core. The listing of hard rock is fine, because an advanced listener could probably find elements of hard rock in their music, especially their new album which strongly shows their influences. But citing them as hardcore/metalcore cannot continue. 70.135.2.100 20:46, 13 June 2006 (UTC)Convalesce990

We really need to get together and work on this

I'm considering contacting Larry Jacobson, their Manager, and seeing if he can help out with the article. It's just a quick email or MySpace message away. But until then, we really need to stick together with this article. It's a good article, don't get me wrong, but we can make it a lot better, in my opinion. What do you guys think? --CanesOL79 04:21, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Girlfriends

Is it really true that The Rev is engaged to Leana & Zacky V dated Gena for 2 years? Of course, M. Shadows has a girlfriend named Valerie for twelve years now, and Synyster was(?) dating Valerie's sister.

Rev IS engaged, it is said Zacky broke up w/ his girl. Syn is single cuz he did date Valaries twin.

First of all, this is personal information and it's no one's business. So, I'm not going to tell you if it's true or not. I understand that now that Valary is the main character in their latest video, and a former manager of the band... she does have a place in the band's story and for that reason, I agree with her inclusion in these articles. She has played a large role in the success of this band. The other girls, or lack thereof (read: private information that is not needed in these articles) are best left out. This goes for other family members and friends who are not directly involved in the history of the band. For example, appropriate inclusions would be:

Brian's father, for playing guitar on the album. Brian's long-term girlfriend, Michelle, who makes his clothes and is creating a clothing line for him. Cam Rackam, a friend of the band who does their latest artwork.

Everyone else should really just be left out of it. I'm sure they'd prefer that, as well. I would also like to ask anyone who is listening to rumors of break-ups, relationships with porn stars, etc. to be very wary of their sources because none of these things are true and they are started by jealous 14 year old fans (most of their fan-base) in response to learning of their happy, long-term relationships. 66.214.118.69 02:15, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

ok well we know about pretty much every other celebrities personal life what makes them different? and i would like to let the person who stated that the rumors are startes by jealous 14 year olds, i am a 14 year old and i do not create rumors about anyone or anything. the people who are responsible or starting rumors are jealous people with no lives who sit at a computer all day in chat rooms, blogs, journals, and message boards creating nasty lies because they ether dont like the person they are creating the rumors for or they have no life, and it could be both. and yes im sure there are some stupid little boys and girls out there that are jealous because they want to date members of them band and all i have to say for them is grow up.--70.58.187.92 05:57, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Why merge Zacky Vengeance with Avenged Sevenfold?

All of the other band members have pages. The Zacky Vengeance page should not be merged.

Quite frankly, none of the members nor the band itself are notable. If there is going to be any mention of the group at all, it should be restricted to the main page.CynicalMe 05:06, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

The band aren't noteable?! I hate them but it's hard to deny how popular they are. PLease Explain. XdiabolicalX 12:36, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Without the band, the members themselves are not notable, and there is not enough Wikipedia-worthy information about them to justify their own articles. CynicalMe 18:00, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Without any band the members are not noteable. There are plenty of other less noteable articles on Wikipedia anyway, and from a brief look, the Avenged Sevenfold members entrys look like they have alot more information warrenting their inclusion. XdiabolicalX 19:43, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

I agree that there are many more non-notable articles on Wikipedia. However, that is not a justification for creating articles for every member of every band.CynicalMe 19:56, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Member Bios?

If you take a good look at this page, it looks....unclean. This page needs some good cleanup, and, if possible, some sort of severe cahnge in the member biography section. Do members really need individual biographies? I don't think so. And if they do, they should have their own pages, if anything. There is no need to clog up A7X's page. Most other notable bands on wikipedia don't have any of these present....if anything, they will link to individual bioographies. I suggest we simply remove these biographies from this page. Any objections? --Pookythegreat 09:14, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

It looks unclean because I merged all the individual pages into this one. I don't think we need their bio info at all, but thats what I had to do. They are certainly not notable enough to require their own pages. If you don't think it belongs here, go ahead and delete it. CynicalMe 16:29, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Chapter-Four.net?

I think that this website should be allowed to be listed.

It is a really great source for information the band, and is considered the number one Avenged Sevenfold fansite. The band has even addressed this.

Is there anyway that we can make an exception and let this one site be listed?

BoaDrummer 08:53, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Anyone? Anyone? If no one's going to address this, I'm going to relist the website. --BoaDrummer 02:47, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Read WP:EL. Generally, if you can include the information off the site onto Wikipedia, that's much the preferred option! HawkerTyphoon 03:11, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

I added Chapter-Four to the external links. After reading what's acceptable under the fan site section, I believe it is alright to keep it up. The people that run the site have close contact with Avenged Sevenfold and their representatives. I think this is enough to let it stay up. --BoaDrummer 07:56, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

I added a trivia section

It contains some facts that were featured in the individual band member's biography pages, that were recently deleted. If you have anything to add, go ahead and post.
BoaDrummer 09:14, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

I fixed it up. There were some spelling and grammatical errors that I cleaned up. --CanesOL79 19:52, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Heh, sorry about any of those. Thanks! -- BoaDrummer 23:54, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Guitars

i love synyster gates... he is hot.. but does anyone know what type of guitar he has other than his gibson?!?

Synyster doesn't use Gibsons, although he used to. He currently is sponsored by Schecter Guitars. Check out the main page to find more gear info. (Also, FYI, please start a new topic rather than extend on something that has nothing to do w/ your question). --BoaDrummer 07:44, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Why Did Someone Delete It?

Ok I am not understanding why someone deleted the member biography pages. Almost every other band that has a Wikipedia entry has members biogrphies unless there is too little or nothing known about the band. And someone posted that personal information should not be posted, why not, again there are very many other bands on Wikipedia that have all their personl information on them. What makes Avenged Sevenfold undeserving of these things. i have had alot of people aske me where they can find information about the band members and i have directed them to Wikipedia, and know someone has decided to remove that information. I think the member biographies should be put back up.

I fully agree. There are many band's who's member's have their own pages. (Ask an I'll give you some.) I think they should be brought back. --BoaDrummer 06:01, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

the fact that other band members have their own pages is not a justification for these members having them. each of the articles contained barely a paragraph of information, which can be easily included in the main article. CynicalMe 06:21, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Look at other band member pages (although I'm sure that you'll just delete them, as well). Steve Jocz hardly has anything. Jason McCaslin has as much as the Zacky Vengeance page had. I know, I added a lot to it. Dave Baksh has a small amount of info, as well. Spencer Chamberlain has a paragraph. Aaron Gillespie has even less. These people are notable in their respective genres. People come here to find information on them, but instead, can't if they don't have pages. It's easier to find information on a specific person rather than hunt through a bigger page for them. -- BoaDrummer 07:39, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Political Views

In the newspaper here in Kansas, it said that Avenged Sevenfold were extremely Right-Winged/Republican. Can anyone confirm/deny this?--Mankvill 02:58, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

I know for a fact that M. Shadows is in fact a Republican, but I can't speak for other members. He stated in the (I believe) February issue of AP Magazine that in general, he's a Republican, but not a diehard.

-- BoaDrummer 05:30, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Member Bio Pages Support

We need some support to help bring back the member pages. I think it's ridiculous that these guys can't have their own pages, while numerous other bands do! If you agree, just add "Agree" and your signature (with the four tildas) at the bottom of this. If you don't support it, just ignore this and please don't go trying to lecture me on this one. I've had enough for now. Thanks. --BoaDrummer 22:29, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

I agree whole-heartedly OmniAngel 23:01, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

TO voice your support in the location where the discussion is being held, hit Wikipedia:Deletion_review#Avenged_Sevenfold_Band_Member_Pages, and familiarise yourself with WP:BIO and WP:Notability. Thanks! HawkerTyphoon 23:08, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

I also agree, and if anyone says that there isnt enough information on them I knopw people who havea crap load. --DarkCat777 19:10, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

NPOV

Not that it matters to me one way or the other, but isn't saying that Avenged Sevenfold left such-and-such because it's a dying genre, and then tacking on "and it is" after that in parenthesis, the antithesis of the Wikipedian NPOV? Because whether or not a genre or subgenre of music is dying seems to me a very subjective POV and a hell of a hard thing to prove factually unless you're prepared to study hundreds of pages of Billboard charts and SoundScan data, and by the time you finished with that your "dying" genre would probably have rebounded back to popularity anyway. Music is cyclical by nature. BronzeWarrior 06:41, 3 August 2006 (UTC)