Talk:Super Mario 64

I don't think we need the glitches. This is not a player's guide.

I agree, but this has already been on VfD and the consensus was to keep them. Fredrik (talk) 22:27, 13 Jun 2004 (UTC)

I think the glitches are nice info to have, but the problem is that the section is currently written like a player's guide. Still better than not having it at all, though. Every bit of detail helps. Everyking 23:18, 13 Jun 2004 (UTC)

"Not only was this Mario's first 3-D game, but it also made Mario the very first 2-D established video game character to appear in a 3-D game."

Not entirely true. Duke Nukem 3d was released January 29, 1996, so he beats Mario. One may argue: Duke didn't "appear" in Duke 3d, since it was in first person. At many points in the game you see his reflection, there is the "holo-duke" item, and you see his foot when he kicks. One may argue: Duke was a 2d sprite in a 3d world, so he wasn't a 3d character. Yes, but he was still in a 3d game.

So I guess I'll delete that line out of the article.

Change it to "one of the first". -- Grunt (talk) 00:52, 2004 Aug 29 (UTC)

All right, I think we need to do something about the glitches section. I think the glitches deserve a mention, but only as a brief summary; we don't need the detailed game guide description of what to do. An encyclopedia article should describe aspects of the game, but it doesn't need to guide players in how to do things. Does anyone have a suggestion? Everyking 16:07, 8 Sep 2004 (UTC)

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Glitches and metal box info removed, at least temporarily. Metal box because it's trivia blown out of proportion, and glitches because it's just an obstruction ATM. May I suggest the glitches howto is moved to Wikibooks? Fredrik | talk 21:00, 7 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I agree that the Metal box is trivia blown out of proportion, but I found the Glitches section particularly interesting. When this article gets more information added to it, the Glitches section won't look so big compared to the other parts. I think anyone who owns the game would be interested in glitches, so I propose that we put the glitches section back in. --pie4all88 21:35, 7 Oct 2004 (UTC)

If anything, it should be on a separate page. Fredrik | talk 21:45, 7 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I think we should stick the glitches in Wikibooks and link to that page in the article. Wikibooks should have a game guide on Super Mario 64 anyway, we'd just be giving it a start. We'd also drive some much-needed interest into that project, if the article ends up featured on the main page. ~ FriedMilk 22:29, Oct 7, 2004 (UTC)

Done. -- [[User:Bobdoe|BobDoe]] 23:05, 7 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Screenshots

Hi, I could make some higher quality screenshots like Image:N64_Super_Mario_64.jpg if you tell me what they should show. I don't think that the current screenshots are very helpful, because they don't help the reader to understand the game. Especially the third one is pure decoration without much value. No 2 is quite ok, but should show a little bit more landscape. The first one is not very typical for SM64 gameplay, it shows a very special scene. Image:N64_Super_Mario_64.jpg would be useful for a start, as it shows a regular gameplay scene, but what else should be shown and how many screenshots can be justified for that article? (typical size of a N64 screenshot is 100kb)--Tyan23 20:01, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I agree that the screenshots here aren't the best, so if you can take some that are better, that would be great. I'd say we need maybe one that illustrates the gameplay (like Image:N64_Super_Mario_64.jpg), one that focuses on the graphics of Super Mario 64 (like a screenshot of a memorable or unusual place), and maybe some that complement specific parts of the article. The first picture, it is true, does not illustrate typical gameplay--however, flying is a popular part of Super Mario 64. I mean, look at the cover of the box... Personally, I like a lot of pictures, but then again I have a cable connection :) pie4all88 19:49, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Suggest a memorable place. My screenshot concerns are about Wikipedia's storage capacity. The thumbnail in the article are much smaller, their size is under 10kb.--Tyan23 20:01, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I made a screenshot of Mario fighting Bowser, i think that's memorable. With 4-5 screenshots, as Fredrik suggested, 2-3 are left. Which courses/motives should I take? I guess it's a good idea to include at least one of the obstacle courses, like Lethal Lava Land or Bowser In the Dark World. And one of the missions... I have a picture of Mario carrying the baby penguin to its mother (Cool Cool Mountain). Better suggestions?--Tyan23 22:07, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)

How about 2-3 images from each level (if it's not too much work)? We could have 4-5 images in the article and a separate gallery page. Fredrik | talk 19:53, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)

How many levels are there? I have no idea, haven't played it for almost 10 years and my game currently has only 6 stars... concerning a gallery, see this discussion: Wikipedia:Votes_for_deletion/Sega_Genesis_Screenshot_Gallery... Wikibooks would be a better place for a complete guide.--Tyan23 20:01, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)

15 main courses (it says so in the article, too). Yeah, gallery articles have been a point of controversy in the past, so that might not be the thing to do. Everyking 20:05, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)

oops, that's a little bit too much for me :)--Tyan23 22:07, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Just wanted to applaud you, Tyan23, for your excellent images of Super Mario 64. I think they greatly benefit the article as a whole. pie4all88 20:16, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I've got a killer image of Dire, Dire Docks, but I'm not certain as to where to put it in the article. Anyone want to take a crack at it? -- [[User:Bobdoe|BobDoe]] 04:25, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Ok, I put it in under the Courses section. I'm not sure if it would be better to put that under the Rumors section, though...then again, a picture illustrating "L is real 2004" would be great there, so I'll leave it open (I've never seen that texture they're talking about). After that, we should be all set with images--thanks for your contribution. pie4all88 02:44, 16 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Done. -- [[User:Bobdoe|BobDoe]] 04:43, 16 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Development

Anyone have any useful info about the game's development? I found this on the Internet, but that's pretty much it:

17 November -95
Information about Super Mario 64 starts to leak out and reliably sources assures
that it will be a totally 3dimensional platform game.
24 November -95
World premier for the N64 and 13 games at Shoshinkai in Tokyo. 2 playable games Super Mario 64
(50% completed )and Kirby Bowl (20% completed)

N64 History

I know I have one or two gaming magazine issues with possibly relevant previews of the Ultra 64 and Super Mario 64, but they're located 500 km from where I live right now... Fredrik | talk 22:39, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Read this interview and the other ones in the Miyamoto Shrine.--Tyan23 10:18, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Okay, could anyone write this part (basically -- rewrite the interview)? I tried, but apparently I'm totally out of focus today (have exam on Monday). Fredrik | talk 19:53, 16 Oct 2004 (UTC)

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"L is real 2004."

I don't know much about it, but apparently some people interpreted one of the blurry textures in M64 as saying this. They then turned it into a big theory of what it meant and how Luigi is somehow hidden in the game. If anyone knows more about this, we should add a section about fans searching for Luigi in M64 and the many things they tried to make him appear.

Also, there should be a better explanation of the end of the game, how with <70 stars the staircase goes on endlessly, and how with 120 stars, one can go on the roof and talk to Yoshi, who gives you 1-ups and encourages you to continue playing (though at that point no major secrets remain, feeding the speculation about Luigi...).

--Carl 06:31, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Ah, yes, I will add stuff about that. –Andre (talk) 11:08, Oct 13, 2004 (UTC)

Note

The N64 launched with Super Mario 64, PilotWings 64, and Star Wars: Shadows of the Empire, right? I changed the first sentence to "one of the first games released for the Nintendo 64". pie4all88 23:20, 16 Oct 2004 (UTC)

In the US, it launched with just SM64 and Pilotwings, and the Star Wars game followed a few months later. Everyking 00:05, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC)

References

Perhaps this is an odd question, but how exactly do we reference some of the claims we've made in this article? For instance, can we cite the game for all of the course information? Is that original research? -- [[User:Bobdoe|BobDoe]] 17:00, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)

• No, it's not original research. Direct observations (and apparently even critical analysis) are OK (Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not: "But of course critical analysis of art is welcome, if grounded in direct observations."). The game itself ought to suffice as a reference for the course information. Fredrik | talk 17:14, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)
• It's direct observation, yeah. If we must, we can cite player's guides. Andre (talk) 17:21, Oct 20, 2004 (UTC)