Talk:List of The Venture Bros. characters

Reorganization?

I think this article needs a bit of cleanup and reorganization. Jackson Publick and Doc Hammer tend to make up several characters that are vital and named but only appear in one or two episodes. I suggest there be the following sections:

• Venture Family/Compound (which would include Orpheus and Trianna)
• Allies/Friends (Dr. White, Master Billy Quizboy, original team Venture)
• Arch Enemies (Monarch, Unterbeit, henchmen, etc.)
• Guild of Calamitous Intent (Phantom Limb, Strangers)
• Recurring Characters (Molotov, other characters associated with aforementioned ones)
• Minor Characters (possibly just a list of named and important characters such as Brisby, Speedy, Major Tom, Dr Impossible's family, the arches that are in jail, etc)

or basically something to that effect. -th1rt3en 23:27, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Dr Girlfriend

Dr Girlfriend is no longer with the Monarch. She with her ex now.

Character Pages

I've made a page for Brock Samson, and will do so for the Venture boys, Thaddeus, H.E.L.P.eR., Dr. Orpheus, and Monarch, BUT:

Brock's page is fucked up. I can't move it merely to 'Brock Samson', beyond that, his info box isn't showing everything it should. I'll have to ask someone else humbly to help and cover it up for me-it won't simply move to 'Brock Samson' than 'Brock Samson character' since 'Brock Samson' redirects to the main page.

Thankfully, the other characters should not show such a problem. Umbric Man 1st July 2006 12:45

I fixed the Brock Samson page, it was a redirect and I just copy/pasted and switched the info from Brock Samson (character) and vice versa. -th1rt3en 03:21, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

You're an absolute lifesaver, man-I owe you a favor. Umbric Man 12:23 2 July 2006.

Uh, on an important side note, as I add more info to the original character pages I'll be editing the summaries for them on the main page only to a basic couple sentences; as I want to eliminate redundancy and make the characters' main pages more important and informative, and encourage people to work on them instead, as well as shorten the main character page a good bit. That okay by everyone? I already did it to Hank, Dean, and Brock. Umbric Man 12:24 2 July 2006

I'll get some pictures up soon. -th1rt3en 06:24, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

I've added the last major character I had planned, H.E.L.P.eR. Should we do anyone else? Can anyone else even get enough info for a page? If so, I'd wager Triana, Dr. Girlfriend, and maybe Team Venture (the team)/Venture Industries, but the former two may not have enough info and the latter sadly too redundant. Umbric Man 2:10 4 July 2006.

I would say Dr. Girlfriend for now, and maybe Phantom Limb if his character develops in upcoming episodes. -th1rt3en 06:19, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I would also say both Venture Industries and Impossible Industries might be good additions. -th1rt3en 05:25, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

For my 2¢, Dr. Girlfriend is the best candidate for a separate page. Triana is a bit iffy, having played a very small part in a few episodes; ditto for Team Venture (if you mean the old one). Venture Industries and Impossible Industries... well, those aren't very developed yet either. If the new season keeps developing on established character like it's been doing, I would say henchmen 21 and 24 might be due for their own pages before long. - DynSkeet * Talk 18:53, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Oh yeah, I'd love to see a separate page for Baron Ünderbheit... although he really hasn't developed enough as a character to warrant it. Perhaps soon... - DynSkeet * Talk 20:09, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, Team Venture would concern itself only with a brief mention of the former being such a wonderful team, the current one being crap, and much more concerned and filled with info with the symbols/actions of Team Venture (the motto, V-sign, yadayada), and Venture Industries and all the crud on it would be combined in the Team Venture page, if you were wondering-they're quite related. I can put that page up if you want to see what I have planned and we can delete it if it's too redundant/short.

And yes, Underbhiet also I feel deserves a page, same for Phantom Limb but you're also right on Underbheit's little roles so far (same for Limb, really). I know the Baron will likely get a page though, as two upcoming episodes seem devoted to him.

Finally, I'll add Dr. Girlfriend soon, if someone else won't already-I've just been taking a break from creating the pages for a short bit, heh. So soon Dr. Girlfriend definantly, and Team Venture/Venture Industries as a test run. Umbric Man 1:20 6th July 2006.

...yanno, considering Dr. Girlfriend and Underbheit got pages added anyways, I say we do one for Phantom Limb and Molotov Cocktease. Maybe I, maybe someone else (guh. I'd have done Girlfriend if work didn't eat up my time...). My main concern with these new pages is keeping their quality content quite high, considering it's only been like what, a week and a half since our amazing expansion of the Venture Bros. Wiki-pages? Let's keep the roll going great, guys. Umbric Man 1:42 8th July 2006

Jonas Sr.

I'm not sure that Venture's late father should be referred to as "Jonas Venture Sr." The fact that Dr. Venture's twin brother existed at all was only revealed late in the second season, so Jonas Venture was long dead before it was evident that he had a namesake. (For that matter, I'm not sure why the newly-found twin named himself Jonas Jr.) Um, short version I guess, no one ever called him Jonas Venture Senior while he was alive, and there was no evidence to do so for 95% of the first season. My vote is to call their father "Jonas Venture" and the little guy "Jonas Venture Junior". - DynSkeet * Talk 20:33, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

I added the Sr. mainly to differentiate between them, and added Dr. to Jonas, Jr., because he recieved two doctorates. Jonas Venture, Jr., and Jonas Venture are both fine with me. -th1rt3en 03:14, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Getting too trivial

The description at the top of this article reads "This is a list of the main and recurring fictional characters from The Venture Bros., the Adult Swim/Cartoon Network comic science fiction series." (emphasis mine) However, the article now lists nearly every character who has ever appeared in one scene. The list either needs to be trimmed down severely, or the description at the top of the page needs to be changed. (Personally, I'd prefer the former.) A few characters that, in my opinion, do not belong under "main and recurring" characters: Race Bannon, Hector and Swifty, General Manhowers, the Snake Men, and most of the contents of the "Imprisoned supervillains" section. Several others are questionable (Manstrong/Baldavitch, Impossible and company, Brisby/Mandelay, Major Tom, Summers/Sasquatch), but since most of them played major roles in the one episode in which they appeared, they are understandable. I want to get some consensus on this before making the edit, since it is... well, quite a major one. My revisions seem to be rubbing a few people the wrong way lately anyway. Anyone have any comments on the above suggestion? - DynSkeet * Talk 12:30, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm fine either way.

Part of the reason I made the original character pages was to shorten theier main character pages' entries back; and that's worked pretty well (IMO), but I never realized how large the page was getting until you made this point. I know that th1rt3en makes a good point on how one-shot characters usually are vital or the focus of an episode, though. Maybe sleep on it for a couple more episodes? If the second season proves to have too many characters we'll trim it, I'm all for it, otherwise for now (just for now) leave it be. That's my official opinion.

That said, I personally think you're doing fine with the edits-considering I'm universally corrected for my horrible grammar and sentence structuring, you usually save my butt in a kinder way than most. Umbric Man 1:04 14th July

I'm fine with one-shot characters that play major roles in their one appearance -- it's the characters from a single scene who never reappear that I think are too much. Naturally, they might show up in a later episode, but as a rough guess I'd say it takes at least three minor appearances to consider someone a real recurring character.

My concern with this is mainly based on the hope that VB runs for several more seasons at least. Take a gander at some of the plethora of Simpsons articles, and notice the godawful level of detail many of them get into over each character. I'd like to avoid that in these articles.

So anyway, I'll leave the questionable characters in place for now and wait for more comments. Thank you for the response and the compliment -- as long as people don't mind my meddling, I'm happy to revise here and there. No way I could try to handle the VB articles by myself, the more the merrier! - DynSkeet * Talk 12:38, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Here's an idea: why dont we move all of the minor and non recurring characters to each episode article that each character is in? Any character that is either in more then one episode or important to backstory will be left in this article. -th1rt3en 13:31, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Works for me, as long as it doesn't make the episode article too long. - DynSkeet * Talk 14:20, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

New template for characters

I would really like some feedback on this. I just made a new template for Venture Bros. characters, with the currently-used superherobox as a rough guide. Please let me know if it should be used. Here is a rough example of its use, the template itself is at Template:VBCharacter if you want to examine it. (Apologies in advance for taking up so much space on the talk page.)

- DynSkeet * Talk 14:11, 14 July 2006 (UTC)