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210.185.5.117 removed some of the paragraph about Auckland's traffic problems and the proposed Eastern motorway. I would prefer that this paragraph stay (and therefore reverted this poster's change), but perhaps we could change the wording if something about it offends this poster. I have changed the description of the opposition to the motorway from "growing opposition worldwide" to just "opposition". Gadfium 00:11, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)

removed the phrase ", a scheme which would see thousands of homes demolished and inner city mangroves decimated" from traffic, as this is unreferenced, and does reflect a negative bias to the scheme, contrary to wikipedia's NPOV policy. removed "controversial" for the same reason. external links make alot of sense though, since there is opposition to it, even if the wikipedia isnt the place for expounding upon it.

(I quite liked the mangroves phraseology, but I agree that the paragraph was a shade unbalanced - however, I see nothing wrong with the factual word "controversial")
Anyway, just dropped by to mention Wikipedia:WikiProject New Zealand places as a page worth visiting by anyone thinking of going into more geographical detail  :-) Robin Patterson 01:19, 21 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I think describing Britomart as controversial is a simple statement of fact. I agree that the bit about the mangroves wasn't balanced.--Gadfium 02:06, 21 Apr 2004 (UTC)

New geostatistical table

I like it, Ben! Robin Patterson 06:36, 28 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Thanks, I've done it for Wellington and Dunedin as well Ben Arnold 09:46, 28 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Auckland, Auckland & Auckland

I think it would be good to split this article into three so that there is a clear separation between the region Auckland, the metropolitan area Auckland and Auckland City. I envision that it would be split similar to how there are currently articles on London, Greater London and City of London.

What I propose is to have Auckland about the metropolitan area that is probably what most people think of as Auckland. Have Auckland City refer the city, that is the region governed by the Auckland City council. Then have an Auckland (region) that covers the entire Auckland region, that is the metropolitan area plus Franklin, Rodney and Papakura districts. Of course there will be some overlap e.g. Auckland would cover Auckland City but not to the same detail that the Auckland City article does. -- Popsracer 10:58, 14 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

There is a WikiProject about places in New Zealand. We should probably discuss this there. Whatever we decide to do for Auckland should be consistent with what we decide to do for other places in New Zealand, or we should be able to identify what makes Auckland a special case.
My intuition on this is that creating additional articles does not add much value. People will inevitably make most of their contributions to the main article and the others will be largely stubs. Look at Wellington (region) for example.
The basic human tendancy when writing about a city seems to be to write generally about the greater metropolitan area, and in more specific detail about the core city. An example might be, "Auckland is a city of a million people, it is known for its landmark Sky Tower and One Tree Hill". I think this kind of article reads well and doesn't limit the writer. After all, much of the activity, growth, culture, and history of a region tends to be focused on its central city.
So I think we should think of the existing Auckland article in this way:
  • General scope includes the whole "greater urban area"
  • Specific focus is on Auckland City
  • Details of satellite cities relegated to their own articles
An advantage of this is that it's consistent with the other articles in the New Zealand series. The Whangarei article is about both the Whangarei Urban Area and Whangarei District.
A disadvantage is that it is slightly confusing what the scope of an article is. People don't know if they're writing about the city council area, or the urban area. I have tried to address this with the geostatistical sidebars for each article. The sidebar clearly (I hope) describes the two meanings of the term "Auckland" in a way that is consistent with the other articles in the New Zealand series, and without needing a separate article for each.
The London example is slightly different. The City of London is a very small area of London, with its own peculiar characteristics and history. Because of this, discussion of the City of London is too detailed to go on to the London article, which is much more general.
As for an "Auckland (region)" article, I find this an appealing idea. Most countries do have second-tier units (provinces, states, cantons). A "region" is a different concept from a "city", and different things could possibly be pertinent.
Ben Arnold 05:33, 16 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with 3 articles, the main one being for the metro. I don't think it is a problem that the other 2 articles will be much smaller. I do hesitate over the Ak metro article having a "specific focus" on Auckland City as such, except insofar as AC does include the central and oldest part of Ak. I think it will "naturally" include more content on features, history etc within AC but the various Ak TLAs should be treated as equals, rather than AC being given a deliberate and stated emphasis. (Maybe I'm biased because I live in Ak but not in AC. I get annoyed at phrases like "John Banks, mayor of Auckland", because it is not true - he is mayor of Auckland CITY only".)
I would scope articles this way:
  • "Auckland" - main article; on the metro. This is what outsiders generally regard as Auckland.
  • Auckland (region) - covering the TLA Region. It may not say a lot but would cover the history of the Region as a TLA eg ARA, ARC.
  • Separate articles on the smaller TLAs eg North Shore City, Auckland City, Manukau City. These would include info specific to the TLA as a TLA (eg history of the TLA, old boroughs and counties incorporated into the City/District) and info on the area as a distinct area. For example, the main Auckland article might give an overview of North Shore history, but the North Shore City article would cover that history in much greater detail.
  • Separate articles on suburbs - in the case of suburbs that were originally separate towns (eg Onehunga, Howick, Devonport etc), these could be quite detailed and interesting articles, partic re their early history.
  • An article on "Auckland Province".
In my view the existing geostat table should be changed. "Ak City" is not "the" TA for the Ak metro. It is only one of several TAs of equal standing. Therefore the Name, Pop. and Extent boxes of TA should be removed and AC relegated to one of several TAs. The "see also" box should probably be renamed "Names". -- Nurg 08:45, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC)
I might add I was surprised to see the extent of Ak as being Waiwera to Runciman. I think of Ak as being between the 2 bays - Long Bay and Bombay. But, if it's good enough for StatsNZ, I might get used to it. -- Nurg 08:53, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC)

When writing an article on New Zealand Dairy Foods, a website said they are in Takanini, Auckland, New Zealand; is this a neighbourhood, or a town in a megacity of Auckland, or what? I believe its part of the Papakura District; I honestly though haven't the foggiest. For now, anyway Takanini, Auckland, New Zealand is a redirect to Auckland, New Zealand-- user:zanimum

It's a town in the megacity. Takanini used to be a small town sandwiched between the cities of Manukau and Papakura, but I suspect it's all one continuous urban centre now. I think at some point someone could write a separate article, but to redirect to Auckland for now is fine. My New Zealand Encyclopedia doesn't list Takanini at all.--gadfium 21:28, 20 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Moved from Auckland, New Zealand to just Auckland

I have moved this page from Auckland, New Zealand to just Auckland. This is to be consistent with Wikipedia's international naming standards, which are to disambiguate only if the name of a place is in conflict with another use of the name, and the placename is not the most dominant use of the name.

I don't think there's even a disambiguation page for Auckland, so the question of dominance doesn't even arise.

Currently about half the links are to Auckland and half to Auckland, New Zealand. I expect this to slowly rationalise. I will make an effort to tidy some of this up myself.

Ben Arnold 05:59, 24 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]


Only just related: who/what/where was the City of Auckland named after? I had the vague idea that it was named after an English Bishop whose name was Auckland, but after finding Bishop Auckland I'm now awfully confused. Should there not be a disabiguation page, particularly as the Bishop Auckland page has a link to the as-yet-non-existant page West Auckland.--Dom 12:20, 2 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Where can we list the suburbs?

Particularly Auckland City suburbs, such as the newly-written-up Epsom, New Zealand? Robin Patterson 03:24, 31 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I've created a Category:Auckland, and put the Epsom article into it. If you were planning to write a lot of articles about the suburbs, it might be worth having a Category:Suburbs of Auckland (or Category:Auckland suburbs) as you can see the similar categories Category:Melbourne suburbs and Category:London Districts. -gadfium 05:15, 31 Aug 2004 (UTC)
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