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To conserve space on the main VfD page, the individual votes for each of the 74 articles have been move to this subpage.

There seems to be a whole bunch of so called Esoteric programming language that found its way into wikipedia over time. Personally I think most of them are rubbish and nothing more than a (lame) joke, except maybe Befunge, Brainfuck, False, Intercal, Malbolge, Unlambda, and Shakespeare programming language (see Template:Esolangs). I apologize to the community for listing them all on VfD at the same time, especially since the VfD already has a very heavy load, but I see no other way to clean out this mess. By putting them all in one sub page Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Esoteric programming language related I hope to speed up the deletion process. Also, if some of you think some articles could be "Speedy Deleted", be my guest. Thank you -- Chris 73 Talk 12:01, Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)

  • Delete. Delete 'em ALL!!! Good grief. I did enjoy TMMLPTEALPAITAFNFAL, though. New variables and commands for every day of the century. Employers must be screaming for this skill. Terrapin 14:27, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete or Merge (sans examples) all but Var'aq, False programming language. {Ανάριον} 15:03, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. By the way, the google search results are skewed. An extreme example:
    0 google hits for -wikipedia -thefreedictionary "HQ9 Plus" "esoteric programming language"
    2 google hits for -wikipedia -thefreedictionary "HQ9+" "esoteric programming language"
    251 google hits for -wikipedia -thefreedictionary "HQ9+"
    7 google hits for -wikipedia -thefreedictionary "C Plus Plus" "esoteric programming language"
    Κσυπ Cyp   15:15, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
    • I removed your addition of "C Plus Plus" from the list... this is confusing enough without joke listings. ;-) • Benc • 18:28, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep all You know something is MASSIVELY wrong with either the nominator or with vfd if 74 articles are proposed for deletion all at once. Like ARGH!
    Motivation: Computer languages are self selecting. If they don't work, they don't work and don't show up anywhere. Some esoteric computer langauges are more famous than others, but it doesn't hurt to have all of them on wikipedia. I'm somewhat strongly POV against vfd by now, and this kind of nomination doesn't do much to lower my blood pressure. I wish there was a speedy denomination procedure. (for obvioussly broken nominations such as this) :-( I'm going to stop doing vfd for a while now. Don't delete the entire wikipedia while I'm not watching? :-/ Kim Bruning 15:32, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
    FYI: I looked at all entries at least twice, and also voted to KEEP some of them, but most are rubbish. -- Chris 73 Talk 15:57, Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)
    If you don't think some of these articles should be deleted, why did you list them on VfD in the first place? That seems like an abuse of the VfD process to me, making speculative guesses about articles which someone else might think is worthy of deletion and then cluttering VfD up with polls to see if anyone does. If someone else thinks they're delete-worthy they can list them here themselves, and if you wanted to do random polling to prompt them you should probably have stuck to talk: pages. Bryan 23:50, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Comment: I would suggest that in most cases, we just want a redirect to List of esoteric programming languages; if the language has any actual significance, perhaps that page could include a link to the language's homepage. I don't see much point in including fictional languages at all, unless they have some cultural significance. BTW, having so many in the list is making it extremely difficult to submit a vote, due to edit conflicts. Please don't do that again. Securiger 16:17, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep - I strongly object to deletion enthusiasts listing anything that they can't find on a Google search and then claiming it shouldn't be here. If it is real, verifiable, neutral, keep it. You have no idea whether this is useful to others. Mark Richards 16:46, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Merge and Redirect all except ones listed by Chris73 to list of esoteric programming languages. I'm in partial agreement with Kim. VfD has some great uses and is definitely necessary, but this is a little overboard. 70+ VfD's all at once? Did this not indicate to you that perhaps talking in the Village Pump or starting a poll might have been better? -Vina 16:56, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • I *strongly* disagree with Schnee, who seems to feel that nothing should ever be deleted ever from Wikipedia, no matter how obscure. Delete all but the following because of obscurity:
    • Befunge
    • Brainfuck
    • C-
    • INTERCAL
    • Iota/Jot
    • Malborge
    --Improv 17:35, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • [Comment] The fact is that most of these languages are in violation of Wikipedia's rules. Why? Because they are essentially Original Research, with no greater significance outside of the handful of l33t-wannabes who want to claim they invented a language. Terrapin 18:36, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
    • To clarify: "original research" refers to work done for the specific purpose of including it in the Wikipedia. As far as I can tell, none of these articles qualify under that definition: they're all reporting the facts about pre-existing toy languages. If anything, these articles are candidates for deletion or merging because of their lack of notability. • Benc • 19:41, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep - These articles are of interest to me and to many others. There's no compelling reason to get rid of the information. Why is this even being brought up? Factitious 19:32, Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)
  • I second Angela's vote: keep or redirect all. To decide which ones to keep and which ones to merge/redirect into List of esoteric programming languages, discuss it at WikiProject Programming Languages, not here on VfD.

    Side note about the mass listing: please don't ever do this again. I know you were trying to speed up the process, but the logistics of juggling 70+ subnominations has actually slowed down the process. (Never sacrifice sanity for speed!) If you want to delete an entire class of articles, start by discussing it at Wikipedia talk:Deletion policy and the village pump. Thanks, • Benc • 19:34, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)

  • Keep all of them, and make a policy to stop people doing this again. Intrigue 19:48, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. No policies, though, that is absurd. He is not a troll for nominating these. — El Chico! Talk 20:15, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep these articles. The Recycling Troll 20:18, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. --Yath 20:35, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. Important articles. Some are funny languages, but you don't remove articles about comedians. --Pengo 22:13, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep in general: esoteric-ness is not grounds for deletion, so why should it be a valid criterion for merging listings on VfD? OTOH, I'm sure some of these aren't notable enough to have their own pages, or even their own mentions in a list - people's pet projects could be construed as vanity. I suggest making a new listing containing only those which are not notable; or a handful of listings, sorted by perceived notability; or Benc's suggestion of discussing it somewhere else first, and merging into the list. - IMSoP 22:53, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. There very well may be some articles in this grouping that are worthy of deletion, but I'm not going to read through all of them picking and choosing; if the deletion-proposer wants to propose deleteing the whole lot of them one bundle then so be it, I vote to keep the whole lot of them. There are lessons to be learned even from "bad" or "obscure" languages. Bryan 23:35, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
    Also, I just noticed that the VfD template on the articles I just spot-checked all point to non-existant VfD pages. Someone who stumbles across one of these articles will not be able to find where the voting is actually being held without hunting through VfD manually for it, which is a bit of a major undertaking under the circumstances. Bryan 23:59, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep all. If a particular article is a joke/whatever, it needs to be listed individually; please don't bulk-add all ~70 articles in an entire category. Kwertii 00:35, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep all. Some of these, such as Unlambda, actually illustrate important computer science principles. Others, such as my favourite, HQ9 Plus, parody various aspects of programming language design. And like others, I object to an entire category of topics being proposed for deletion: if there are individual entries that should be deleted, propose those on the merits of the case. The fact that such classics as Brainfuck, Befunge and INTERCAL have been proposed suggests the proposer isn't taking due care and attention. —Ashley Y 01:02, 2004 Sep 30 (UTC)
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