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Basingstoke

I've removed Basingstoke from the list - not only will it not happen (barring a nuclear was that destroys every other city in the world), but I can't find any reference to it on the web. If it was said, it was probably a joke. sjorford →•← 11:38, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

New York City

There have been rumors eminating from radio stations within New York about New York City going for the 2016 Bid if they loose out on the 2012 bid.

2016 is just another long shot like the 2012 bid was for ny, 2020 is a better bid to go for, giving ny more time to get their plans together and gain a much stronger support (city wide, state wide..) -bskel

Excuse me but there are a lot of sweet talking and glossing on the NYC section. It does not adhere to the NPV. -cozzie

I edited out bits of PR, but there remains some, along with some grammar that needs correcting -Spacedragonblue

Almost.

I can't believe Russia lost the Olympics. Hopefully 2016 will be different with either St. Petersburg or Moscow.

-G

Same here.

NYC2016 could happen

NYC isn't giving up. Most of the people in the city, including me, want NYC to try again. If Mayor Bloomberg wins the election this November, you are likely to see another bid from New York City. --PrinceofPersia

No USA bid after all?

According to this news story that has also found its way offline into local newspapers,the USOC may decide not to bid for the 2016 Summer Games.Ranma9617 03:00, 22 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Detroit considering a Winter Olympics bid?

Could somebody submit a reference verifying that Detroit is indeed considering bidding on the Winter Olympics, as mentioned in this article? If they did, where would they hold downhill skiing? The nearest "real" ski resorts are in West Virginia, and even those are not Olympic quality. This to me sounds like a pipedream.

Denver?

There is an entry for Denver here, but it says that they are looking to host the 2018 winter games. Is this a typo, or just something that doesn't belong in this article?--RevTenderBranson 14:26, 24 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Article problem

Any way to tell whether a city on this list is a city that it has been officially confirmed that it will not be hosting the 2016 Summer Olympics?? Georgia guy 17:07, 12 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

An excellent litmus test for the American bids is to consider American cities "in the running" if, and only if, the USOC has done its initial official assessment meeting with the city's mayor. That is why the Detroit information was moved off the main page to the discussion page below under the "Article Size" thread. Gerald Farinas 23:24, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

India

The article says India's success in hosting the 2010 Commonwealth games will help with their bid. But of course, the 2010 Commonwealth Games will be held in 2010 so their success won't help their 2016 bid. How well their preparation and planning etc is going may help their bid however. Nil Einne 22:38, 19 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Andes 2006? No way!

As Colombian, I haven't heard a word from Bogota's Mayor or Colombian President about an Olympic bid. I don't think we'll see any bid from a South American country different of Brazil and Argentina. tropicalia115 03:31, 21 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Country??

All stories within the last few months revealed by Google News that picked up evidence about the 2016 Summer Olympics have given evidence that the country is either the United States or Japan. And now, there are only 5 cities in the United States and 2 in Japan (a total of 7) that appear to be possible. This is surprising, because it is only May 2006 and I didn't originally think it was going to be until 2008 when the number of possible cities for the 2016 Summer Olympics was going to be narrowed down to such a small number. Georgia guy 16:15, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

As much as I wouldn't want, I think the Olympics will most likely be awarded to an American city. Like to have citation for the U.S. vs. Japan thing, though. Drdr1989 00:52, 15 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Removed texts

User:205.188.116.5 just removed a lot so texts involving dropped cities. Is it proper?--Jusjih 15:42, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

At the very least, that deleted text or summaries of that text should have been posted on the discussion page for others to consider, too. It would be nice to have a discussion page where readers can turn to as an appendix to find out what other back info could be useful to them, even information thrown out. Please keep that in mind for those of you considering major changes like that on any article on Wikipedia. Gerald Farinas 21:44, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Article Size

This article has reached the 32kb size mark and must be reduced for technical reasons. You can read about article size requirements on Wikipedia. Some sections will be moved (only with proper justification for removal) to the discussion page to make room to meet size limits. Gerald Farinas 22:48, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

In order to make room, the Detroit section should be removed, restricting the article to details about bid cities that have met with the USOC for official assessment in May 2006, in other words no more rumor-based sections. Until American cities meet with the USOC for official assessment, only passing mention is warranted in this article as mere rumor, not full detail. In the meantime, the full text of the Detroit section will be kept here on the discussion page to be moved back to the main page if it becomes a serious canidate in the USOC's eyes for 2016. Gerald Farinas 22:58, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Text of the Detroit section that was removed
Although not on the aformentioned short-list, The City of Detroit is a rumored canidate for either the 2016 or 2020 Summer Olympics.
The City of Detroit, Michigan, which has suffered from a stagnant economy as well as poverty and crime issues, has recently seen a rebuilding, and has/plans to host several large events, including Superbowl XL, the U.S. Open, the Baseball All-Star Game, and the NCAA Final Four. The city has also been asked to submit a bid for the 2008 Republican National Convention by the GOPand is also on the short list for the 2008 Democratic National Convention. The region hlso hosts several smaller, yearly events including the North American International Auto Show, and the International Freedom Festival. The area is well known for its sports teams, most notably the Detroit Red Wings and the Detroit Pistons, both of which have either been in/won their respective playoff games. The city of Detroit also has a long-running Olympic Bid history, bidding seven times in 1944, 1952, 1956, 1960, 1964 (2nd place, games went to Tokyo), 1968 (2nd place, games went to Mexico City), and, the city's most recent bid, in 1972, making it the city witht the most failed bids. The areas many sports arenas and other large venues make it possible that the city could hold the games with little new construction. Venues already exist that could hold many of the sporting events. The only construction that would be needed is an Olympic Village and a stadium to hold the opening and closing cerimonies. Even the latter may not be needed, as there are several stadiums that could be motified to hold such events. The only other major issues facing a bid by Detroit are a lack of major public transportation, and the need for a major funding source, as the current state of the city's economy make it unlikely that it could hold the Olympics without a major exterior funding source. However, the issue of public transit was also faced by Salt Lake City, Utah (2000), Athens, Greece (2004), and Turin, Italy (2006), all of whom built new public transportatio networks in order to hold the games. Sould Detroit fail to gain (or even attempt to win) the 2016 Summer Olympics, it could choose to try another bid for the 2020 Olympics.

Qatar

Doha will be the first Middle Eastern city to host the Asian Games.

I deleted that as it was incorrect. Tehran hosted the 1974 Asian Games. Nokhodi 08:02, 16 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


I've added the {{globalize}} template

...because at the moment this article seems decidedly US-centric for a subject that is decidedly global. (Even moreso if the news article posted above that the US may not even make a vid turns out to be true.) Less info on the American potential bids and more on those from other continents, please. Thank you! Nuge talk 22:04, 21 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There will probably be some bids from Japan in a few months from now. For other countries, I don't know. Georgia guy 22:07, 21 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Chicago

The article is way out of balance. I would suggest that Chicago is not such an overwhelming favorite that it should receive five times the space of the other U.S. hopefuls. There is no basis for asserting that any of the five candidates is the frontrunner at this early stage of the game.

Overflow of good information about Chicago's bid was moved to a separate article entitled Chicago 2016 Olympic bid much in the same way the article entitled New York City 2012 Olympic bid was created. I thought it was important to (1) shorten the current article for space requirment considerations and (2) preserve the Chicago information because of its historicity for the people of Chicago and the region. Gerald Farinas 02:14, 14 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The size of each section, including the United States cities, are now more equal than it was before and possibly could merit losing the globablize template soon. Also, language that wasn't so Americentric was changed in the introductory section of this article. Gerald Farinas 02:17, 14 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Argentina

For the past few months, every piece of news regarding the 2016 Summer Olympics according to Google News has mentioned cities in either the United States or Japan. Now, however, I got one saying Argentina might want to bid. What Argentina city is it?? Georgia guy 16:57, 29 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Canada

This is not necessarily a serious point, but doesn't Toronto consider bidding for every Olympics and then have a change of heart at the last minute?

Historically, that's what they seem to be doing but we don't actually have proof that is their intent. Gerald Farinas 23:29, 13 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Israel

Because there is no official bid from Israel's government, I'm moving the following text from the main article to this discussion page. Due to space considerations, only cities with confirmed bids should make it onto the main article space. Gerald Farinas 00:57, 14 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The city of Tel Aviv reportedly considered a bid. However, the idea for the bid was actually proposed by architectural students at Tel Aviv University, as a hypothetical consideration of what would be required by Tel Aviv in order to host the games. Indeed, there are major challenges which would need to be overcome for an Israeli bid to succeed, not least in terms of security. There would also be the danger of politically-motivated boycotts or protests from some nations, although a Tel Aviv Olympics would probably suffer rather less from this than one held in Jerusalem. Other problems include relatively poor infrastructure and a possible lack of support from within the IOC itself.

havanna, cuba

I removed the little bit about Cuba's poverty level being due to the US's sanctions, because it didn't have a source. It is more likely that Cuba is poor because of forty-plus years under an authoritarian socialist government.

Why, it appears someone found a source for the offending bit of information that was removed. Good job! Actually, no. An op-ed piece in a foreign newspaper is not a valid source. Sorry.
Well, I changed it, then I realized that the whole section needs a source. Did Cuba's 'overall poverty level' really work against Havanna's bid? This whole article needs to be cleaned up, actually. And I give up.

Monterrey, Mexico

According http://monterrey2016.org monterrey is searchin the games in 2016.

NPOV

This article is a NPOV nightmare in my opinion. Here are a few examples I found with a quick scan.

  • The Cuba section is unnecessarily negative. I.e. "Cuba failed to make the shortlist for 2008 and 2012 host city competitions because of these problems and will likely be glanced over by bid assessors again."
  • The article is dominated by U.S. cities. Considering they will likely only receive one official bid, it seems like equal time should be given to other countries. I.e. "The city is also at the center of the northeastern United States, approximately equidistant from New York and Washington, perfectly situated for easy access to other popular American tourist sites."
  • Though not entirely related to NPOV, I also see some violations of Crystal Ball. This is obviously a thin line with articles about future events, but this article definitely crosses the line. In addition to my Cuba example, "Ecuador, Bolivia, Venezula, Colombia, and Peru want to launch a double or even triple alliance for 2016. The cities of Bogotá, Cochabamba, Guayaquil, Lima, La Paz, Cuzco, Sucre and Quito have all considered a joint go at the games. This is now highly unlikely given the political state of these nations." First, I don't really see how Ecuador and Peru fall into the classification of "political instability." It also seems a little shortsighted to simply eliminate these nations in two short sentences. Considering South America looks to be a major competitor for the games, it seems like there's a little too much fortune telling and too little fact-gathering here.

I already fixed a few obvious flaws, but it definitely needs more work. -DMurphy 00:57, 23 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Regarding US domination in this article

"The article is dominated by U.S. cities. Considering they will likely only receive one official bid, it seems like equal time should be given to other countries."

No. Putting in a larger proportion of US cities in this article is appropriate due to the fact that the United States has not hosted the summer games since 1996. The location of the previous games is a strong influencer on the committee's decision. (A single continent has not hosted the games twice in a row for over fifty years). America is the largest consumer of the Olympics and when they go 16 years without hosting it, their cities will invariably have a stronger bid.

Also, the United States is larger then most other countries and has more major cities. Giving equal time to each potential country would thus be silly. For example, Sweden and the United States do not have an equal chance of hosting the Olympics because the United States has more large cities. (Though New York City and Stockholm may have an equal chance). It is for this very reason that the United States has hosted the games more times than every other country. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.173.46.252 (talk • contribs)

  • "The United States has not hosted the summer games since 1996." So what? Canada hasn't hosted the games since 1976. Mexico hasn't hosted since 1968, and their economy is undergoing tremendous growth at the moment. Africa and South America have never hosted the games, and they will be hosting the next two upcoming World Cups, which certainly speaks in their favor. The USA has hosted the games the last two times the IOC has hosted the games in the Americas. It's incredibly USA-centric to say that the games will go to the USA this time around and as a result we shouldn't give equal time to other countries. The way I see it, we'll see at least one South American candidate (somewhere in Brazil, Buenos Aires, and Santiago all look very viable), an African candidate (Cape Town looks like a great bid), a US candidate, a Canadian candidate, a Mexican or other Central American candidate (Cuba is possible, especially since so little is known about their bid), and a handful of European and Asian candidates.

Yeah, the US candidate will probably make the "short list," but beyond that it's impossible to make a guess, and even assuming that is a little dangerous. I realize that Chicago looks good, and that's fine, but cities like Baltimore/DC and Houston who have barely even mentioned their plans receive equal time in this article as established candidates like Cape Town and Buenos Aires. That's not good writing.

If you can tell me without a doubt that the US candidate has a better chance of getting the olympics, for the THIRD time in a row among Candidates from non-eurasian/oceanian countries, than Cape Town, Toronto, Buenos Aires, Tokyo, Santiago, etc., then sure, we can give them more time in the article. But otherwise, we need to start paying attention to the other options in this. The USA has hosted two olympics within 32 years of 2016. I think it's a little too short-sighted to assume they'll host a third time. Possible, yes, but if you want to play the statistics game, it's certainly not in the USA's favor. -DMurphy 17:19, 24 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Once again DMurphy: the fact that the United States has more major cities than most other countries increases the probability that it will host the games. You have stated that the US should have a section equal in size to other countries. Does this include Morocco? Clearly the US has a better chance than Morocco.


I'm not saying that the United States will definitely be hosting the games in 2016, but the fact of the matter is that it has a better chance than any other country. You talk about the "statistics game" - I'm not exactly sure what you are referring to. The US has hosted the games more time than any other country due to its disproportionally higher number of major cities. Its greater population and larger number of developed cities means that statistically, the United States has a better chance than any other country. If you disagree with me, which country has a better chance, statistically, than the United States?

DMurphy said. "The way I see it, we'll see at least one South American candidate (somewhere in Brazil, Buenos Aires, and Santiago all look very viable), an African candidate (Cape Town looks like a great bid), a US candidate, a Canadian candidate, a Mexican or other Central American candidate (Cuba is possible, especially since so little is known about their bid), and a handful of European and Asian candidates."

You might be confusing continents with countries because when you said this you basically proved my point. As you said, we will see one South American candidate, one African, one US, one Canadian, one Mexican, one Central American, several European and Asian Candidates. You might say that the United States has about the same chance of getting the games as Africa or South America do. But remember, Africa and South America are continents, the United States is a country.

You have been arguing that the US should have an article equal to the size of other COUNTRIES. This would mean that we would have 60 or so sections for each African/South American country and one section for the United States. Does Africa and South America really have 60 times as good of a chance as the United States?

Baltimore/DC removed text

The following text was removed from the article by Mcshadypl regarding the possibility of a Baltimore/DC bid:
On July 7, 2005, Dan Knise, president of "Baltimore-Washington D.C. 2012", said that there was a definite possibility that the cities might get back into the bidding for 2016. Knise stated in a Baltimore Sun article (which is no longer availiable) that "we should remain interested and engaged in the process." Rick Abbruzzese, a spokesman for Baltimore Mayor Martin O'Malley, added that "we will have to see what the details are, get together with our partners in D.C. and go from there."
I support this decision, but if there is a veritable source on the topic which states that the two cities are in fact really considering a bid, then we should re-insert the section. Otherwise, it seems to be little more than a rumor. -DMurphy 22:19, 24 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, Google News reveals a lot of pages (do a search for "2016 Summer Olympics") and it gives that there are 5 cities making bids, and they are probably the same ones Wikipedia says, and Baltimore is not one of them. Georgia guy 23:04, 24 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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