Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2001: A Space Odyssey (film synopsis)

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2001: A Space Odyssey (film synopsis)

Contested PROD. Original reasoning was "Personal essay and interpration of film. This article violates core policies Wikipedia:No original research and Wikipedia:Neutral point of view by definition." To that I would add that the large number of "fair use" images, as well as the fact that every single scene of the film is described in detail, infringes on the copyright of the film. The content of this article has been moved out of 2001: A Space Odyssey (film) because the main article is too long. For this reason (and because the content itself is inappropriate per the above arguments), merging the content back into the main article is not a viable option. Delete Angr (talk) 10:38, 3 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Originally, I was going to say delete, but I will ammend this to a conditional keep, if Mr. Palpatine agrees to work on this page with me to refine it, and do further research with citations. It is a film that needs a longer explination than may be given on the front page, but should not be as long as it is (or have so many pictures as it does) now. There are the workings of a good article behind this-- one which may utilize quotes between Kubrick and Clarke for an NPOV and citations. My guess is that if our effort is put towards it, it can be a functioning wikipedia entry by the end of the week. The Photoplayer 11:17, 3 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Needs a lot of work but I also think we should keep -- Bungopolis 11:46, 3 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Merge with original article and drastically cut down detail in this area and others described if length is an issue. SM247 11:56, 3 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak keep. Borderline unencyclopedic. On the other hand well done, verifiable, descriptive rather than an opinionated review, and an influential film. For a lot of other IMDB-top-100 films this level of detail would be insane but for this one it works. Wikipedia is not paper so going into detail is possible. The main article can (and does) have a greatly abbreviated synopsis. Weregerbil 12:17, 3 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete the proposal WP:WAF describes this situation well, an extended film synopsis (without secondary sources) is too much like WP:OR, the impact of the film on the "real world" is more encyclopedic, but that is already covered in Interpretations_of_2001:_A_Space_Odyssey. Regards, MartinRe 12:39, 3 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • To clarify: If a film synopsis is done by a wikipedia editor, then it is WP:OR, if a synopsis is done by a secondary source, then wikipedia can discuss the synopsis as a tertiary source, but analysing multiple secondary sources (e.g. synopses) to create a new one, is also original research. Also, this article does not reference any sources, so it's hard to tell which one it is, but neither are appropiate. Regards, MartinRe 19:37, 3 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree, editors combine multiple secondary sources all the time; it is only "generalization, analysis, synthesis, interpretation, or evaluation of information or data" by the editor that is forbidden by WP:NOR. To my way of thinking, collecting information from multiple synopses is not analysis in the sense that WP:NOR means it; it is just "collecting and organizing".Gerry Ashton 19:57, 3 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Combining multiple secondary sources to create tertiary sources is fine. Combining multiple secondary sources to create another secondary source is a different matter. Regards, MartinRe 20:08, 3 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. Phrases from 2001: A Space Oddesy are frequently used in popular culture. The phrase "I'm sorry Dave" gets 139,000 hits on Google. A collection of memorable phrases from this film can be found at [1]. I would favor an article that gives sufficient context to the most important quotes from this movie so a person who never saw the movie could search on the quote and understand the context of the quote. I don't know how well the article under discussion serves that purpose. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gerry Ashton (talk • contribs) 18:24, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Weak keep per Weregerbil. If this spurns a series of similar articles, then I'd vote delete. Any OR should be removed, but a pure NPOV synopsis is not OR. The JPStalk to me 20:36, 3 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge, and cut back if needed. -- cds(talk) 22:13, 3 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge with original movie article. Mr. Lefty Talk to me! 22:14, 3 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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