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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 00:09, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

List of Mathematical Formulas

This is a list that merely lumps together and explains formulas that alread exist elsewhere on wikipedia. Whoever started it only placed a few on, but if it were to enumerate every formula in the same manner it would become huge, unworkable, and entirely composed of content that exists elsewhere on the site. Indrian 00:08, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Curious. I'd say that Wikipedia is a collection of information. --LambiamTalk 09:24, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, the correct quote is: "Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information". --Tango 11:30, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
A typing error, my apologies. Jude (talk,contribs,email) 23:07, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. DarthVader 09:06, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete and create category —Mets501talk 12:14, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete and create category is a good idea. Kudos. --Tone 13:34, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment – A category "mathematical formulas" is NOT a good idea. Mathematical formulas have only meaning within a context, which is given in the articles in which they are presented. Only very rarely will a formula be the focus of an article. It is pointless to have a category of articles that contain an important mathematical formula. Basically all mathematical articles do unless pure definitions or stubs. Without further organization, which is much better possible in articles like the aforementioned Lists of integrals than using a category, the effort will be useless and wasted. --LambiamTalk 18:29, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Giving it a second thought, you're right. There are really no articles that would consist only of formulas. Maybe on Wikisource but not here. --Tone 21:24, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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The result of the debate was Speedy delete per CSD:G7 (article was blanked by only author). I'm not going to create a redirect from this typo to anywhere, but I have created Yokota Air Base Friendship Festival to redirect to Yokota Air Base, and marked {{R with possibilities}}. Stifle (talk) 11:20, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yokota Air Base Friendship Festiival

Short, unencyclopedic article with misspelled title referring to a local event created by User:Picturetokyo, whose only other contributions have been links to the user's own site Ianb 00:29, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry guys i dont know how this works. I would like to make the page better and i have lots more content and pictures i could add for it. I just thought that people would like to know more about it.--Picturetokyo 09:01, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I also have 2 images starting out i would like to add.

[1] [2]--Picturetokyo 09:32, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was keep. AmiDaniel (talk) 06:20, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

All Points Bulletin

Could this ever be more than a dicdef? Chick Bowen 00:46, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

- *Delete and move to Wiktionary I can't see it as being more than a Wiktionary entry.*User:Mikereichold | User_talk:Mikereichold 23:39, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep and expand, and separate entry to Wiktionary Wiktionary can have a definition on it, but I think a decent article can be made from this (i.e. descriptions of famous APBs and such). Buchanan-Hermit™..SCREAM!!!.... 23:50, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - Dicdef. --Knucmo2 00:05, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sigh. I have mixed feelings about deleting it myself, since it's so heavily linked to, but I spent about an hour today doing research trying to find out at least the history of the term, but to no avail. The only thing I found that was sort of interesting was an anecdote that IBM had once set up an electronic APB system in Mexico, and when it didn't work several of their execs were indicted by the Mexican government. That's here if anyone thinks it's worth adding. You all say "expandable"--I don't know folks, I really don't. Chick Bowen 03:21, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'm in the same position you are, honestly. I know it's something that could get a lot of traffic, I just don't know how to make it any more than what it is now. The Mexico incident is interesting, but it seems an awfully small point to pin an article on. Maybe if there's some verifiable history out there, or enough interesting notes and links to give people a starting point. If not . . well, it' just kind of sitting there. Consequentially 01:06, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was speedy deleted. Mailer Diablo 04:04, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

NAADUC

Original research, if not patent nonsense. Stormie 01:07, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Looks bogus, unencyclopedic.--The ikiroid (talk)(Help Me Improve) 01:15, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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The result of the debate was Speedied G1. Tawker 05:09, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

National Array for the Abatement of Drugs and Underage Consumption

Original research, if not patent nonsense. Stormie 01:07, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Looks bogus, unencyclopedic.--The ikiroid (talk)(Help Me Improve) 01:15, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 00:10, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Isobel (song)

This page links to nothing else, and it is a song that did not reach any charts. Non-notable The ikiroid (talk)(Help Me Improve) 01:11, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 00:10, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Tony Montemarano

non-notable -- few hits on 'net &#0149;Jim62sch&#0149; 01:12, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree - the band might barely be notable, but the individual members not. As a whole they might be worth one article, but might still not be worth 2. --Tango 11:54, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 00:11, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Webmama

It's a PR piece, PROD contested by article writer. FCYTravis 01:17, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 10:37, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

List of Grand Lodges recognized by the Regular Grand Lodge of England (RGLE)

The main article: Regular Grand Lodge of England had been deleted. So should this list page that derives from it. Wikipedia is not a) free web space b) propaganda c) original research d) an indiscriminate collection of information or a junk yard. . Delete and protect Blueboar 01:20, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Their own website is suspect, so how can it then be considered a verifiable source? Ardenn 02:15, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 10:38, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

South Arabia Campaign

A stub about a military campaign in a place where no military operations took place, telling us just that. Frankly useless, in my opinion; should we have articles about all the other places and circumstances where fighting didn't happen? Kirill Lokshin 01:34, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 04:48, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Dead city records

Label shows no bands that meet WP:Music guidelines, and draws few (no more than ten) Google hits, and that includes its own website and MySpace links. Recommend delete. Consequentially 01:40, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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The result of the debate was {{deletagain}}. Mailer Diablo 04:08, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wanda Canty

Seems non-notable, and seems to be written as a campaign advertisement. If she wins, then she'll be notable. (Or if evidence turns up that these books she's written are notable) Allen 01:52, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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The result of the debate was delete all. Mailer Diablo 10:47, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Le-Surf

This and other articles nominated below are part of a larger group of articles relating to councillors and candidates in Brentwood, Essex, England, seen at Category:Brentwood. I would happily nominate all of them other than those who have been leaders of the Council or are otherwise notable. The presence of the first few seems to spawning POV articles essentially reproducing election biographies, and could get too much to handle.

However, those which I am nominating now are just those of losing candidates - they have not held public office and no wider notability beyond local campaigning is asserted. We cannot have hundred of articles on failed local politicians on top of articles on every successful one. Perhaps the other articles can be considered individually.

Mtiedemann 02:02, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete all as per Mtiedemann. I wish there was a speedy delete criterion for failed political candidates and non-incumbents currently running for office with no other claim to notability, except candidates for head of state. -- Kjkolb 03:13, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment, actually, I think they could be speedied per CSD:A7, as they fail WP:BIO for political figures: Political figures holding international, national or statewide/provincewide office or members of a national, state or provincial legislature. and Major local political figures who receive significant press coverage. -- ReyBrujo 05:03, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all per nom. I would speedy them, but I think that being a failed candidate is a claim of notability which would prohibit speedy deletion. TheProject 07:06, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The election was on 4 May, so it's all over for the year. Mtiedemann 08:00, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Not all constituencies have elections at the same time, have all elections for the articles in question been held? StephenN 13:24, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Local elections are always on the first Thursday in May unless there is a by-election. I think that Brentwood is on a three-year cycle and next year is their year off, with elections for the Essex County Council level instead, so it would be two years until these seats are contested again, but that needs checking. Mtiedemann 00:23, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 10:47, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Onishi Satrou

Can find no references to a Japanese war criminal named Onishi Satrou (or Onishi Satoru). David Kernow 02:19, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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The result of the debate was speedy delete per A6. TheProject 23:44, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Daniel Fogel

Vilification page only. Possible libel. Remove it --Light current 02:29, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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The result of the debate was Delete; this is something that is already handled using redirects.  RasputinAXP  c 13:50, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Operas by original title and English title

It seems to me like this article is pointless. If you want to note the original title of an opera, it should be on the article for that opera. Quite why anyone would want to look at a simple list of operas with their original titles, I don't know. I think my problem then is that this is too idiosyncratic to be encyclopedic mgekelly 02:48, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Go ahead and do it then. mgekelly 04:44, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, good to know. :-) Fut.Perf. ☼ 10:16, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Honestly, I don't see how this is helpful. If you are looking for an opera, you can look up the specific page of that opera and find out its alternative title. If you look at a single coposer's page too, that would normally have the original and translated titles of all major works. mgekelly 03:31, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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The result of the debate was that as very few people want these articles to exist separately (and the consensus cited on the talk page for the split is rather underwhelming, consisting of "Why don't we..?" and "Yeah, I'll do that"), both redirected to All your base are belong to us. If any more examples are wanted for that article, follow the redirects back. --Sam Blanning(talk) 08:43, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

List of "All your base are belong to us" computer and video game references, List of "All your base are belong to us" print and electronic references

These entries are indiscriminate collections of information. Brian G. Crawford 03:04, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete I want to like these articles, as they at least show that AYB has entered mainstream cultural conciousness somewhat, unlike the vast majority of internet memes. Unfortunately, most of the references are sub-sub-trivial at best... typical example: "The Suburban Jungle, a furry webcomic, made use of the line on November 25, 2005." Delete, though maybe some of the more notable ones could be merged with the main AYB article. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 03:18, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was keep. Mailer Diablo 10:50, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Notre Dame High School (Harper Woods, Michigan)

Nonnotable, and now-closed, high school -- WP can't and shouldn't list all the closed 50-yr-old high schools in the USA NawlinWiki 03:29, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. Brace yourself for the WP:SCH references. Keep due to the controversy Andrew mentioned, but only because of that. Aplomado - UTC 03:38, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. It's closed, and it doesn't inherit notability from Dave Coulier. Brian G. Crawford 03:43, 6 May 2006 (UTC) I'm neutral on the issue, after reading what Andrew had to say. Brian G. Crawford 03:59, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak keep Though closed, it looks like there's a charity set up to revive it, with involvement from Bill Cosby, believe it or not. Found a few news stories on the whole mess. If anything, I'd rate this as more notable than most of the average high-school articles we see. Update After further research, I found a press release stating that "Friends of Notre Dame Inc", the charity I mentioned above, actually sued the Diocese and alleged that the school was closed down illegally, as well as accusations of other financial shenanigans. Changing vote to a solid keep, as the school seems to be the center of a major (if local) scandal and uproar. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 03:57, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak delete See Andrew's comments, but then we would also have other closed schools too. M1ss1ontomars2k4 04:25, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
If they are the centre of a major scandal and uproar, with lawsuits, allegations of illegal close-downs and financial shenanigans, and all that, and involvement of major celebrities to boot, why not? LambiamTalk 10:10, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
That's exactly the problem. Does controversy make something notable? Do lawsuits and celebrities establish notability? Those, I think, are the real questions being discussed here, not whether this article deserves to stay. This will have probably an impact on AfD's to come, so I'm watching this. --M1ss1ontomars2k4 22:45, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Correction: it is established that high schools and up are notable. M1ss1ontomars2k4 22:47, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
'High school'? What definition of high school are you using? What about countries that don't use the term? Please remember this is a global encylopaedia. Markb 07:59, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I dunno, whatever is analagous to a U.S. high school, I guess. Are there countries that speak English but don't call a high school a high school? BTW, does secondary school count as high school? Then secondary schools should be immediately notable too. --M1ss1ontomars2k4 17:38, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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The result of the debate was Speedied A7. Tawker 05:10, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Zoganas

Vanity page. The page has very little content and poorly identifies the subject. Clubmarx | Talk 03:55, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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The result of the debate was speedy delete. TheProject 04:38, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

splinter dice

notability, no hits on Google or Yahoo KsprayDad 03:58, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was no consensus for deletion or merge. --Sam Blanning(talk) 08:48, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Irish Railway Bibliography

Just a list of books, possibly cut-and-paste from an electronic catalogue. Tagged for wikify and clean-up, which I've made a start on, but seems unlikely it could ever develop into anything encyclopedic.➨ ≡ЯΞDVΞRS≡ 13:28, 28 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 11:02, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

James_Pojman

Non-notable bio, borders on adcruft. One hit on Google, and all links point to his business website. --ES2 15:26, 28 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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*Weak Delete, unless someone can verify that his book sold enough copies. -- ReyBrujo 05:15, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. We can't list every non-notable photographer in Wiki. Non Encyclopedic. The above comment is nonsense. What defines a 'serious photographer'? Are we going to start having lists of 'serious photographers you have never heard of'? To me this seems like a Vanity page and not a very well written one at that. KsprayDad 13:34, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment The purpose of this article is not to list every photographer, notable or otherwise, but to provide information and links to photographs of one serious, published photographer. A "serious photographer" might be defined as someone who uses photography as a form of artistic expression, as opposed to someone who photographs for the purpose of recording events such as birthdays, weddings, etc. Jpojman 20:36, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Article claims that he published two books, but neither is listed at Amazon.com, which suggests insufficient notability. --Metropolitan90 17:13, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment No doubt there are many "notable" books that are not listed on Amazon.com for a variety of legitimate reasons including that they are no longer available (i.e., out-of-print) or of insufficient interest to Amazon.com (i.e., they don't think selling them would be profitable enough to be worth the effort). In this case, both books were published in India (not a major market for Amazon). Also, the books are out-of-print although they are still available in a number of bookstores in India. Jpojman 16:52, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete non-notable; spam. Buchanan-Hermit™..SCREAM!!!.... 23:59, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 11:01, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Summer Dying

nn-band, "experienced a good deal of local and some moderate regional success" only Spearhead 21:39, 28 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was delete and redirect to flood. Mailer Diablo 11:03, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Flood Damage

A very faint whiff of notability under WP:BAND but very faint. Enough for me to divert from speedy to here just in case, anyway. ➨ ≡ЯΞDVΞRS≡ 22:00, 28 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was merge. I'm not doing it myself, however, as I don't know which game should go in which list. A lot of the games are already in one or the other, but not all. Merge tags added. --Sam Blanning(talk) 11:38, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Freely downloadable game software

This page is a fork of List of open source games and List of freeware games created by an anon IP from the 86.* IP block. The reason given was that "there's really no reason why people should have to look at 3 different articles because of legal technicalities. To the vast majority of people, a "free game" is something that can be downloaded and played for free." [4] This is contrary to Wikipedia:Content forking and WP:NOT (in that Wikipedia is not a links directory). It is also impossible to keep in sync with the original lists. So, it should be deleted. — Saxifrage ✎ 23:04, 28 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This AfD is being relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that a decision may usefully be reached. Please add new discussion below this notice. Thanks!
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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 11:05, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Paintball-Net

This was a "graphical MUD" that has not existed for 6 years. No independent/reliable sources. No indication of meeting WP:WEB or WP:SOFTWARE. The only thing the game's website says is, "Paintball Net is coming..." and it has an Alexa rank of 3,365,697. I am recommending delete. --Hetar 04:08, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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The result of the debate was Speedy delete as patent nonsense, intentional hoax/vandalism, etc. Stifle (talk) 00:21, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Spankles

Wikipedia is not a dictionary; prodded, but contested. CanadianCaesar Et tu, Brute? 04:09, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 11:09, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Feminist imperative

Original research. The article gives one external link as a source, and that link is broken. "Feminist imperative" gets 136 google hits, most of which do not seem to be about the definition of "feminist imperative" given in the article. Thus my suspicion that this was original research was confirmed. Delete Catamorphism 04:14, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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The result of the debate was After doing some googling and finding the special issue of Management Today, keep.  RasputinAXP  c 13:58, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Caroline Plumb

Non notable, fails WP:BIO. Also, I want to mention that the creator of the page, Charlieosmond (talk · contribs), appears to be Charlie Osmond, co-funder of FreshMinds with her [5], thus I believe it can also be considered vanity. ReyBrujo 04:22, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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The result of the debate was Keep, passes WP:CORP and information is easily verified.  RasputinAXP  c 14:01, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

FreshMinds

The company seems to fail WP:CORP for both companies and services.Also, note that the original creator of the article, Charlieosmond (talk · contribs), appears to be the co-funder of FreshMinds [6], and is also the creator of Caroline Plumb's article, the other co-funder of the company, and about Business research, the main topic of his company. I qualify this as vanity, hidden advertisment, or both. ReyBrujo 04:30, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment, apparently the company is notable enough according to the Talk:FreshMinds. However, I still want to hear the opinion of the community about the apparent founder of the company creating the article himself. -- ReyBrujo 04:33, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep this strikes me as a case where WP:VAIN isn't useful. The article is factual and NPOV and is about a notable enough company. Just because the founder of the company wrote the article isn't in itself enough to delete it. True vanity articles are essentially POV, this is not one of them. All "IMHO" of course, Gwernol 04:46, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep As above, VAIN is not useful for articles which can easily be critiqued and made NPOV by outside editors. As long as the original information was not COPYVIO, I say that it is notable enough given its revenue and number of employees to warrant an article on it. Ansell 11:15, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete after reviewing the "in the news" links used to rule out WP:CORP, I believe FreshMinds still fails the test. The only article specifically about FreshMinds was an early press release that got published within months of starting business. The other articles were not about FreshMinds at all but included brief employee quotes or references to the company in articles about something else entirely. Several of the links were also dead. Rklawton 19:15, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per Rklawton, part of a walled garden. Stifle (talk) 00:20, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep I believe there is little doubt FreshMinds meets WP:CORP. Articles about FreshMinds have been published by the Financial Times, The Times, The Guardian and The Daily Telegraph. These are the UK's leading broadsheet newspapers and the articles are about the firm, it's not a simple side mention. In addition the relevant UK trade press have all commented about the company. Evidence of this can be found at the "press" section in the website if you care to read it. I can understand the claims of WP:VAIN, however the listing exists in order to ensure simple, factual information is present about this firm. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.111.156.122 (talk • contribs) .


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The result of the debate was keep.  RasputinAXP  c 14:04, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

James Charles Prevost

non–notable person . — CRAZY`(IN)`SANE 04:33, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

*Delete, apparently the author just wanted to remove a red link from Fairfax Moresby. NN. -- ReyBrujo 05:27, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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The result of the debate was Speedy keep as withdrawn. Kotepho 23:32, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The Death of Ke-ao-ua Ke-kua-oka-lani

The creating user doesn't exist anymore. No edits were made by the user aside from the act of creation. There are no references. If referenced, I would suggest merging it into the History of Hawaii or some such article, but in this case, I think deletion is the best idea. Xaxafrad 05:05, 6 May 2006 (UTC) *Delete if nobody can provide references. The article is not being linked from any other relevant article in Wikipedia. -- ReyBrujo 05:37, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Rename This Keaoua was a nephew of Kamehameha I who opposed the Ai Noa, or free-eating, the abolition of the kapu system. He rose in rebellion against Kamehameha II, or Liholiho, and was killed in battle. The rebellion, and the battle, take several pages in Kamakau's Ruling Chiefs of Hawai'i. Suggest that we just move the article to his name, Keaoua Kekuaokalani, and I can add the info. I've pulled the book from my shelf and can add the info easily. Zora 08:42, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep due to Zora's offer to add more information. Jude (talk,contribs,email) 09:52, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It's done. Take a look. Dang it, I should have been doing something else :) Zora 11:23, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Could you be more specific as to what is required? Zora 12:46, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, I also suggest to speedy close as nominator has retracted. Fut.Perf. ☼ 18:58, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was delete. AndyZ 15:07, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Monkey News

Relisting as original nominator didn't do it correctly. This is an obvious delete. Aplomado - UTC 05:08, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I couldn't do it correctly because I can't create pages. Anyway, it's blatently obvious as to why you'd want to remove it. --69.145.122.209 05:09, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
As long as you're here, would you mind listing this vanity page as well? Sorry, I hate that anon Ip's can't do this. --69.145.122.209 05:11, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Why not just get an account? Aplomado - UTC 05:18, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure, actually. I know I will at some point, I've just never gotten around to it. --69.145.122.209 05:21, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 11:12, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

ਵਲਕਿਕ ਲੁਤ

Left untranslated after two weeks. Discussion from WP:PNT follows:

The language of this article is unknown. --Nationalparks 05:29, 22 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It is Punjabi. Kirbytime 09:00, 3 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Any idea what it's about? Grandmasterka 20:57, 4 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Nope, I don't speak Punjabi. In any case, when I google it, the only results that come up are the Wikipedia artcle. So, it seems like it isn't notable. Delete. ĶĩřβȳŤįɱéØ 04:48, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

So yeah. Delete. Grandmasterka 05:09, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, there is. Maybe someone there can tell us what this is? Grandmasterka 05:49, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Wow. I wonder why I couldn't find it. In that case, I would change to a Delete and Move to Punjabi Wikipedia.--ĶĩřβȳŤįɱéØ 07:20, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 11:12, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sarfaroshi Ke Tamanna

Left untranslated at WP:PNT for three weeks. Here is the discussion:

The language of this article is not known to me. --71.28.250.126 19:27, 15 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently some song lyrics in some language of India? Kusma (討論) 19:30, 15 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Should probably be deleted. Grandmasterka 05:22, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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The result of the debate was delete. Fails WP:CORP and/or WP:WEB.  RasputinAXP  c 14:06, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

EyeSpot

Self-promo page to a for-profit company that was started in only 2005. No pages link to this. Clubmarx | Talk 05:31, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Do not Delete. This is a factual article about a valid company offering a valid service in an emerging area of technology. The Wikipedia offers a disservice by denying a factual entry such as this one. -- frankatca 12:00 EDT, 6 May 2006

  • One reason Wikipedia can be great, is its potential for being timely with new, valid information, a criteria that might well be added to WP:CORP to improve it. Less than three months after coming out of stealth mode, GOOGLE now (May 8th) shows 756 links to "www.eyespot.com" and a GOOGLE search on [eyespot 'video editing'] produces several pages of references. Since this entry is factual and NOT promotional, and provides valid information, I suggest this one needs some time for the for the greater evidence to build that is recommended by WG:CORP. frankatca 19:22 EDT, 8 May 2006
  • Comment There are only 112 sites linking to www.eyespot.com, counting blogs and forums, according to Google. Although it may grow fast, as I always say, first notability, then article. It needs more time for sure. But first gather the evidence and then build the article. -- ReyBrujo 01:52, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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The result of the debate was Speedy keep, belongs at WP:MFD.. --Hetar 16:50, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

User:Hammerfist0

User is perminintly banned -- Heltec 05:21, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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The result of the debate was redirect. Kusma (討論) 16:58, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Erie problem

There is already an article on the Erie doctrine, thus the page is an unnecessary duplicate. --Eastlaw 05:33, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was merge into Jim Baen. - Liberatore(T) 18:12, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Jim Baen's UNIVERSE

Google search yields a good number of hits, but it appears that vast majority are "you can buy this magazine here" links. Delete (but if kept, should be renamed to "Jim Baen's Universe," as it does not appear to be capitalized "UNIVERSE" in these links). --Nlu (talk) 05:38, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 11:15, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Forsaken Archive

Fails to establish notability Dismas|(talk) 05:53, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • I think this page displays a fine example of history of this rather popular site, i best think it stay. --JLJeremiah 05:58, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • "At the beginning days of Forsaken archive, the first conversation on it was started with a conflict that Aljade (adrian laurenzi) had stolen Stick slaughters flash portal source." I hate articles like this. Delete as non-notable. Aplomado - UTC 06:13, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • "When anitude closed down, forsaken archive was in close union, thier total members skyrocketed from about 200 to 1000 in the forums. The forums were constantly busy with several pages of topics filled a day. The community began to expand and is still expanding" ... Too funny. Aplomado - UTC 06:28, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Insufficiently notable. Zaxem 10:20, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Holy sweet lord, there's no notability whatsoever here. Not to mention that the article reads like such an advertisement that even tagging it as such probably wouldn't make a difference. In addition, the site has no Alexa rank. -- Kicking222 14:21, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, Alexa took like 10 seconds to load the information. Must have been one of the first times it had to do a full scan in all hard disks to find information about this site. -- ReyBrujo 00:49, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 11:15, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Dome Dogs

While not utter nonsense, there is no assertion made as to the notability of Dome Dogs, nor any sources listed for the global warming claim. Dismas|(talk) 05:59, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see why this article should be deleted. Everything in it is factual. None of it is lies. It is simply a parody on the global warming issue. It will be enhanced with charts and photographs in the near future..it is just a neat parody ofthe global warming issue for people to enjoy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hobbitballer (talk • contribs)


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The result of the debate was merge into Box Car Racer (album). I'm merging with the album rather than the band article -- No Guru 19:41, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I Feel So

There is no reason to have this article up and the text isn't relevant and it hasn't been cleaned up at all showing lack of interest on the article. Myxomatosis 04:48, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was merge into Box Car Racer (album). I'm merging contnet into the album article rather than the band one -- No Guru 19:51, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There Is

There is no relevant reason to have the article and no one has posted any information on the single. Myxomatosis 06:14, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was Delete. --Luigi30 (Taλk) 18:13, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Di-dehydroepiandrosterone

Article on a seemingly non existant chemical, containing an (admittedly effective) OR debunk of a bogus product. Count the policy failures... WP:V, WP:NOR etc. Delete. Rockpocket (talk) 07:02, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

OR debunk of a bogus product. a pity that wikipedia is not a OR-BSS. Akidd dublin•tl•ctr-l 09:20, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - I have removed the OR (ie: the comment about the fact that the supposed archiving could not have happened because the site didn't exist on the date the article was supposedly archived). All that remains are objective links to Google, which is the authority showing that the two sites have no pages other than the spurious articles. Note that many other dubious medical treatments and fraudulent products are in Wikipedia, such as Ear candling, Bates Method, Laetrile, Calorad, Essiac, etc. The presence of these articles is of great value to people who might have wasted time and money if they had not had access to this information on Wikipedia. I urge you not to remove this valuable source of information about this fraud. --Jahat 09:43, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Interesting debunking of a fake chemical, but it is the actual content that is original research. Statements like Medline searches find no mention of this chemical, However, ihealthjournal.com is a fake site which only contains a homepage and links to blank pages, and finally, A Google search of pages belonging to wondersinscience.com similarly finds that the only content is the archived article on the supposed study, and their homepage, really drive that home. Jude (talk,contribs,email) 10:13, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • If there is some content here which is OR and should be removed, let's remove it, leaving an entry which at least allows people to see that this is a fake product. --Jahat 10:34, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. The problem as i see it, is that even though i do not doubt it, there is no verifiable source that says it is fake. So if we take the OR out we have just the claims of the Pherlure people. Yet there is no verifiable source that says it is real, so we take that out and we have nothing! The only policy justification for it staying is if it is a notable hoax that deserves an article, but i can find no verifiable source mentioning it as a hoax either. Rockpocket (talk) 18:22, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Although arguing to keep, Psage's reasoning is, paradoxically, a textbook justification for deletion per WP:V. Rockpocket (talk) 18:32, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'd recommend to restart the AfD and require every voter to provide information on his expertise. Pavel Vozenilek 20:17, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment Sounds good to me. I'm clearly not a sockpuppet, however, since I'm the one posting the information, and the information is all easily verifiable. This is a deliberate persistent fraud which Wikipedia users need to know about.
  • Once again, I want to make the important point that this is not OR in the sense that it's my research which no one can verify from sources. The sources are all linked to and they are the websites themselves and Google. The comment that "Medline searches find no mention of this chemical" is verified through linking to Medline, again Medline is the authority, not me. So there is no real OR in this entry. All the sources are there. --Jahat 20:48, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment To be clear, WP:NOR says: "In order to avoid doing original research... it is essential that any primary source material, as well as any generalization, analysis, synthesis, interpretation, or evaluation of information or data, has been published by a reputable third-party publication" Jahat's material is clearly an evaluation of information, but he cannot source a reputable third-party publication, hence it is OR. As for restarting the Afd, surely the closing Admin can simply evaluation the value of each editor's justification before making a decision. A vote is pretty meaningless without a reason. Rockpocket (talk) 23:18, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I find it interesting that the previous user is so persistent on posting non-verifiable information and assumptions on only this subject. To quote the user's edit from the second paragraph, "study appears to be fake", fourth paragraph "The fake study reference is found at another fake site". It appears the user was not sure in the second paragraph, but had convinced himself by the fourth paragraph. Wikipedia is for verifiable information, not opinions/assumptions possibly based on personal or business intentions--Sweetb 23:13, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment It's perfectly obvious if one clicks on the links that what I state is the case. This is a fraud with fake sites set up to promote a study that never happened. The people behind this are very aggressively defrauding people with a type of fraud that resembles phishing in some ways in that fake sites are being created. When people come to Wikipedia looking to see what di-dehydroepiandrosterone is, they should be able to find the information that it is a fake. There is nothing unverifiable in what was posted, and the authorities again are Medline and Google. --Jahat 02:54, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment It appears you are the only one that wishes to keep this non-sense on here (possibly for personal or business reasons). Wikipedia is not a place for articles about substances that can not be confirmed to exist and can not be rebuted not to exist. That is not only my reasoning, but also Wiki policy WP:V, WP:NOR.--Sweetb 4:11, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
Comment article verifies that the sites are fake. But if the alternatives are no entry for this fake product, or an entry which links to the fake articles with no comment, giving people the impression that it's real, then I'd rather see the article deleted. Wikipedia should be giving people helpful information, not aiding frauders. --Jahat 22:55, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Showing lack of search results by google does not verify a site is fake. If you know how to properly search a site for it's pages, you will see that both referenced sites you claim are fake do have pages that exist, but are NOT shown in Google search results. This should serve as a fine example that lack of search results in Google, does not indiciate anything other than lack of search results in Google. It also shows that the edits are mistaken and clearly not from a WP:NPOV. I would agree that it should be deleted if there is no clear verification if the substance exists or clear verification that the substance does not exist.
Page on Ihealthjournal.com that is NOT Google listed:
http://www.ihealthjournal.com/findinformation/hormonecenter/alcohol3521-003.html
Page on wondersinscience.com that is NOT Google listed:
http://www.wondersinscience.com/archives/2006/0111/grogginess.html
--Sweetb 00:24, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
For some reason my comments were deleted, but it is necessary to mention that the extra pages were added to these sites SINCE the discussion on this page began on Wikipedia, and are possibly a response to the discussion, attempting to undermine the basis for stating that the sites in question are fake. --69.3.233.183 07:57, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I pointed out the pages that already existed. If you understand the way Googlebot works, you'll understand that there are millions of pages on the internet not indexed by Googlebot. This does not mean that "they do not exist" or "are fake", it simply means they are not spidered by Googlebot. --Sweetb 09:11, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I looked at these sites several weeks ago, and they had no other pages in evidence other than the homepage and the articles on this imaginary chemical. Other pages gave a message claiming that a login was necessary. Why should the pages containing the fake study reference have no login but the other pages all require a login? Probably because there were no other pages until this whole sham was exposed. --69.3.233.183 09:33, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - In accordance with OTRS ticket number 2006051110012197. Factual errors and non-verifiability, plus it contains weasel words. Wikipedia is not the place for soapboxes:

  • "research supporting its effects appears to be fraudulent."
  • "This study appears to be fake"
  • "sole purpose of promulgating this false evidence."
  • "ihealthjournal.com is a fake site"
  • "The fake study reference is found at another fake site"

— Bastique▼parlervoir 15:34, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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The result of the debate was merge to List of Weebl and Bob cartoons and redirect or delete. Arguments to delete overweigh. --Ezeu 10:48, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Bull (Weebl and Bob episode)

The handful of Weebl and Bob episode articles that exist are short, lean towards fancruft, and lack notability. (An article for the series is fine. Even a list of episodes is tolerable. But individual articles?) My mass prodding was undone by serial de-prodder Kappa, so I now take it to the people. Deltabeignet 07:09, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I am also nominating the following articles for reasons highlighted above:
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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 16:34, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Cellchainz

This is an advertisement for a product and company, both which are not notable and of no contribution to this encyclopedia. Beltz 08:20, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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The result of the debate was merge. --Ezeu 11:38, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Moving associations

This article consists of nothing but a directory of links, possibly for the purposes of advertising. I am also nominating the following pages liked to by the original article for the same reason:

I have decided not to nominate IATA, also linked from the above article, since it actually contains content of merit. Tjohns ✎ 08:32, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Keep:Check if they are locally/nationwide, and of international interest. I believe you should not nominate them for deletion, rather merge links/info into one entry. Probably people search for this information. Associations are not neccessarily selling anything to customers. Akidd dublin•tl•ctr-l 09:14, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was:Delete Prodego talk 17:12, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oh teh noes

I dont believe it to be usefull, do we ealy need a article about a silly phrase such as that? Matthew Fenton (t) 08:49, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was keep without prejudice to proposals to move to "Japanisation" or "Japanization". Metamagician3000 11:31, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Nipponisation

highly biased - neologism rarely used in french (¹internet search shows usage within french), should not be used for political reason. Akidd dublin•tl•ctr-l 09:03, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It belongs to a dictionary of neologisms, and is not expandable above a list of usage of the word Nipponisation. It is possible to understand it on its own. *-ISATION words are not very much used in spoken language, neither in scientific language (except for scientific purpose: poly-mer-isation. this it where it comes from). I believe nowadays not much nipponization takes place, and it is not good way of using language. My POV. I also believe americanization shifts explanation to nationality, and should not be used. User:Akidd_dublin 9 may 2006
¹(french)
  • Keep but possibly Rename. The word might be a neologism (I sure haven't heard it), but the concept it describes is notable and article-worthy. What it needs is better-defined examples so it's easier to understand. Perhaps the recent Batman manga novels could be described as an example. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 14:56, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Unsourced neologism with very few Ghits - many of which are for different phenomena. One of the uses in French for example is the attempt to realise a cultural identity distinct from China. Hard to see it being (or becoming) other than original research. Dlyons493 Talk 16:40, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Move to Japanisation, that term returns many more hits at Google than nipponisation, and should have basically the same meaning. -- ReyBrujo 01:01, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Move to Japanization. It has more google hits. It's used a lot as a business term, especially as companies have adopted Toyota's methods of doing business. A more discriminating scholar.google.com gives about 1,220 hits for z and 500 for s. --Kunzite 22:55, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 16:34, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

ADM Studios

Clearly written as an advertisement (and flagged as such). However, there is a minor claim to notability (produced two games). I am unable to determine the notability of this company, so I will defer to others on this issue and abstain from the AfD for now. The forum on the company website does not look particularly active. Adm studios is a redirect page, and on the same day an anon added an entry at the disambig page ADM; there are otherwise no incoming links. BillC 08:58, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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The result of the debate was keep. The note about Google Scholar was particularly noteworthy; it's true that WP:NOT a dictionary, but there's a strong feeling here, and well-argued, that this article could be more than just a dictionary definition. fuddlemark (fuddle me!) 12:54, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Cocacolonization

term not widely in use - term moved to Wiktionary:List_of_protologisms. difficult to spell. "Today, McDonaldization, Disneyfication, and Swooshification are the phrases that capture the fears of a growing monoculture." - political biased information, not wikipedia data. By the way: "Swooshification" - who says that (sounds creepy)? more "the age of nike". I do not see a need to list such words here. They really need a hudge fanbase (like ghey).

Comment This debate is not about those terms, dont confuse people with things you just made up, as opposed to terms that are verifiable The comment was not originally in this position or form, hence the comment. Ansell 10:16, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Verifyable - 94 hits are not very. 470 are a bit more. 416,000 hits are verifyable evidence of something. comment moved here Akidd dublin•tl•ctr-l 11:23, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak keep or maybe merge. Seems to have been around since the '50s so not really a neologism. Difficult to spell isn't a reason to delete. It's not widely used but is quite interesting - Merge to Colonization is a possibility? Dlyons493 Talk 09:56, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep The term is not a new suggestion. It has had time to mature, as shown by the references provided by Jude. Suggestions about a google notability index will never work though, that part is not why I refer to Jude. This is not a politically based piece of work, the phenomena is understood outside of national boundaries. It is interesting that this AfD seems to be related to Ghey by the nominator in both comments and nomination. Make of that what you may. Ansell 12:07, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Good, Can you list them into the article? Otherwise see Weasel words - "several university professors". Akidd dublin•tl•ctr-l 11:10, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was delete both articles. Mailer Diablo 16:35, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Zombie mutant ninjas II

Delete non-notable amateur film made by some high-school friends. Prod removed without comment. Gwernol 09:10, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

I am also nominating the following related pages because its the sequel:

Gwernol 09:15, 6 May 2006 (UTC)


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The result of the debate was keep - Liberatore(T) 18:35, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

MET-ART

Advertisement Dismas|(talk) 09:54, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was userfy - Liberatore(T) 18:42, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Main Cowz

NN bio or NN web site, take your pick. Dismas|(talk) 10:05, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 16:36, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Rudy Galinda

Likely hoax. Google search shows no relevant entries. Punkmorten 10:51, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 16:36, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Rykoff Sexton

Likely hoax. Google search shows no relevant entries. Punkmorten 10:51, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete If there were any verifying information available on any of my attempted searches I may have been sympathetic to it. Certain phrases in the article suggest a hoax, such as "Judging by the gurth of his calf muscles, they predicted a successful playing career". Its hard to search for given that a company is named using the persons first and last names. (should give warning bells too I guess...) Ansell 11:38, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/ASSETOnline

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The result of the debate was keep and expand. The subject of this article obviously has some notoriety as a Liberal candidate for the House of Representatives, and there's scads of online stuff about him, including transcripts of ABC radio broadcasts on Radio National and notices about his practice on the NSW Law Society website. --Tony Sidaway 23:40, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Irfan Yusuf

nn lawyer/politician/blogger, prod removed without comment by new user Tango 11:08, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep He is notable enough to have been endorsed by a major political party in a federal (national) election. Someone may require information in an encyclopedia as to his history simply because of this. Ansell 11:41, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
There are 150 Divisions of the Australian House of Representatives. I'm not sure how many major parties they have, but there must be at least 2, so that means at least 300 people are endorsed by a major party at each election - are they all notable just because of that? Had he won, then maybe, but the article just says he stood, so I'm assuming he lost (it would have said so if he'd won). --Tango 15:23, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
That said, I only vote delete if I feel something needs do be deleted. I dont believe that someone who could be searched should necessarily be deleted. The current article does not exactly spell out his notability, however, the (accursed) google search does reveal his influence in australian politics is actually more than it seems at first glance. [12] Ansell 23:15, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I've only read the first 2 pages, and even then just the extracts, but none of those pages seem to be about his political career. Looks like more of a legal writer to me. Possibly a notable one, but the article needs serious work if it's worth keeping at all. --Tango 23:28, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep I'm a failed candidate and we're all important! No seriously this guy sounds very interesting - a conservitive candidate who is a muslim in a city that has had significant problems with relationships between muslim communities and the community in general recently. He may well figure in future debate, and it would be useful to be able to access infomation about his background quickly. Just the thing an online reference is most useful for - up to date infomation on seemingly unimportant topics that may quicky become important as things change. Michael Johnson.
Interesting does not mean notable. A large number of his google hits seem to be his own writing. Also, Wikipedia is not a crystal ball - we should have an article on him once he becomes important, not in anticipation of it. --Tango 12:10, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'd like a definition of important. Some people are putting a lot of effort into writing articles about railway stations in Melbourne, not railway stations in general, or even the busiest, or most architectually interesting, but every single railway station. The balance of importance seems to lean pretty heavily towards unimportant here, and to be honest I don't mind that at all. A paper encyclopedia is limited by the cost of production and pure size, constraints that sure do still apply here but to knowhere the same degree. A good thing. Someone thinks he is important enough to write an entry, he is in public life in this country, so I still say keep him, untill such time as the server is full, and we have to start deleting stuff. --Michael Johnson 12:22, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
There is a risk of setting a precedent if we keep unimportant living people that doesn't exist so much for railway stations. This person is no more notable than 100s of other minor public figures - do we want articles on all of them? His claim to fame seems to be that he's a political activist that writes the odd article. Is that really enough? --Tango 13:31, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - a token Muslim candidate put up in a dead-safe Labor (non-conservative) who never had any chance of winning. The vehicle for a stunt to get Muslims to vote Liberal (conservative). Muslims, despite maybe not liking the foreign policy of conservative governments are generally regarded as socially conservative. I didn't think that they would go and vote green?ßlηguγΣη | Have your say!!! - review me 03:54, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
If you can find a reliable source for that, it could actually make an interesting article... --Tango 11:51, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure if a 1.1% swing to his party really counts as a swing though. The following election had a larger swing to Liberal, who still lost. [13]--Scott Davis Talk 15:10, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Of course, but are all political candiates notable? As I said above, there are at least 300 candidates in each election. --Tango 16:26, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I think that the candidates of the large parties are, even if they don't have a good chance of getting elected. The "tokeness" of a Muslim conservative can actually contribute to one's notability. Of course I respect if you have different opinions, many of the items here are really border cases. Regards, gidonb 16:31, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that token candidates are probably more notable than other candidates, but standing in an election and losing is a single act that doesn't really effect anything. Were it a major position you were standing for (President or something) then the election campaign is notable in itself, but a single seat in a parliament is rarely newsworthy during a campaign, it's the leaders of the party that do all the big talks and things. This is rather a general issue, though, so prehaps we should have a proper discussion on the requirements for a politian to be notable (unless one has already taken place, of course - I'll go look). --Tango 16:49, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
A root approach vs. a branch approach is always a good idea! Regards, gidonb 19:34, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 16:38, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Forumco

Reads as an add Francisco Valverde 11:23, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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The result of the debate was} delete; if someone is interested in creating List of political sex scandals of the United States by POV-removing the article (adding all Democrat scandals) and fact-checking all entries in this list, I'll be more than happy to undelete the content and made it available to him/her in his/her userspace. - Liberatore(T) 19:09, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

List of Republican sex scandals

Delete - Do Not Merge or Rename non encyclopedic list & as per Deville below Strothra 11:29, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

:I would concur with the idea of creating List of political sex scandals of the United States since there are plenty of sex scandals on both sides of the aisle but I'm not voting to keep this one if I'm going to advocate the creation of a new article. --Strothra 19:48, 6 May 2006 (UTC) Changed my mind as per other comments on this discussion in favor of deletion which I had not thought of. --Strothra 23:49, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Are you infact just promoting rename and rescope the article, which would indeed be a keep of sorts as the information stays, it just gets expanded on. Ansell 23:38, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per Schizombie. Yeah, I know he voted keep. I'm going to be a bit nuanced, so it's kind of hard to put something in bold up front, but I will explain this discrepancy. As it stands, this article is an egregious example of WP:NPOV and I suspect it was put here in the interests of making a couple of WP:POINTs in the light of the debate on the other article. Also, I'm pretty sure that the people calling this list encyclopedic didn't read very far down. This article is a mismash of fact, allegation, innuendo, and just plain insanity. Some of the entries are bona-fide sex scandals, but the rest is simply junk: several of the entries are just assertions that some person got divorced, or has had out-of-wedlock children. One more notable example is Rush Limbaugh; this article simply asserts he has been divorced three times. All well and good, but how on earth is this a sex scandal? One also notes with some amusement that this article insinuates that George W. Bush raped a woman and later had her killed. Somehow, I didn't hear about that on the news... :-) Seriously, guys, this is a perfect article for dKosopedia. And, hey, look here and here! What a coincidence. Tying this all together, I would say that what needs to happen to this article is that about 85% of the stuff in here needs to go (as we come up with an objective standard of what "sex scandal" is in the first place), it needs to be renamed to a NPOV name, and then all of the analogous Democratic and other non-right-wing stuff needs to be added here as well. In short, I am advocating exactly what ??????? said. But the cleanest way to do that, I think, is to just destroy this article and start over. One notes that since a copy of all of this information exists at dKosipedia, then any of these entries can be copied from over there. One also notes that exactly zero people did zero work on this article, as it is a straight cut-and-paste from another site, so we're losing no labor by deleting it. --Deville (Talk) 20:07, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    I have done work on the article to remove entries that I could not personally substantiate, and to remove POV. The article right now is not anymore a direct copy, so deleting would lose the work done so far to wikify it and remove unsubstantiated claims. The move you are advocating can be done without wiping out the current article. Ansell 05:02, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per Deville, WP is not a mirror. Some of the content may merit keeping, but perhaps it would be better to start from a new article. Keep if someone can radically demirror and dePOV the article. before the AfD closure. ??????? 20:23, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    The page is not a repository of links, as the quoted policy states should not be on wikipedia. Mirroring encyclopedic content does not fit under that policy. Ansell 23:46, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per Fut.Perf., would be fine with the idea of a List of political sex scandals of the United States article, but many of these are not well sourced, some criteria for inclusion into that article would need to be created (I have a hard time believing a scandel is notable if we don't have an article on the person involved), and some of it looks POV, so a fresh start is probably best. BryanG 20:26, 6 May 2006 (UTC)10--12 July 2005[reply]
    Deleting the article would destroy what information is around now. Is the information that flooded with unrecoverable bias that it doesn't deserve to be transformed? I wouldn't mind a result which moved the article to a title as you say. Wikipedia may be able to justify having articles on the people listed here just because of this page. It is self-defeating to say that because if the persons article was created after this lists deletion then it could be removed as it wasn't able to be linked into wikipedia due to the lack of this list, and lack of recreatability of the list due to the deletion review process. Ansell 23:32, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete--Tone 22:53, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, no redeeming value. Dr Zak 23:37, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Very interesting and useful list. Buchanan-Hermit(TM)..SCREAM!!!.... 00:06, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Move to List of political sex scandals of the United States, add any content regarding non-Republican politicians, and take a very close look at how many of these scandals are presented as fact when the reference links make it clear that they are only allegations. —Stormie 00:56, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    I would appreciate it if someone would track down some of the links to their original pages. Pages from armchairsubversive.com are mostly mirrors of newspaper articles. References possibly through archive.org would be able to trace them back to their original postings, if they are available. Allegations I believe fit on a scandals page as long as they are clearly stated like that. I converted all the references to <ref> format, however, it would be ultimately better to convert them also to cite's instead of direct links to make the references section readable. Ansell 01:08, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Keep if the article includes all USA parties, not only Republicans. Otherwise, delete for POV. -- ReyBrujo 01:22, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Move to List of political sex scandals in the United States. After much deliberation (I nearly slapped an AFD tag on it myself when I ran across this article earlier today, I have decided that this topic can (and, much more importantly, should) be cleaned up enough to comply with WP:NPOV. NatusRoma | Talk 01:45, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. Ardenn 02:17, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Delete OR allow me to make th article List of political sexual preversions of bill clinton and the kennedys--Ham and jelly butter 02:17, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - It has references which, from the few I randomly chose to look at, do re-inforce the points. For neutrality there should be a Democrats page too. Better yet, fuse the two and let each side bicker over it; that's politics. The comment above me proves how some bipartisan Wikipedia can be... -- Greaser 02:27, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, are you kidding me? It can't get much more POV than this. --Rory096 04:18, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    POV mostly comes from the wording and scope of the article. There have been suggestions above to enable the scope to be widened to avoid POV, and if you have any problems with the wording for a certain claim then you are free to fix it. Ansell 05:04, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    While it may be possible to have a NPOV list on sex scandals, it can't be based on a POV one. --Rory096 05:26, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    So you are not opposed to the creation of List of political sex scandals in the United States, or similar wording, which is based on an NPOV scope? Ansell 05:32, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    I am not, but just moving a list of republican ones to that name isn't how one creates an NPOV list of scandals. --Rory096 21:38, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    I agree, the rename needs to include a rescoping, and making NPOV in total based on the new scope. Ansell 04:06, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete violates WP:NOT and WP:NPOV 216.239.38.136 12:09, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete clear soapboxing. --Bachrach44 15:47, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Good grief. Thatcher131 16:16, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment This is what categories are for. Some of the names on this list do not have their own articles, meaning they are probably not notable enough; some sources do not meet WP:RS. Some are not really scandals at all but examples of what the left would like to think of as hypocracy (as if Democratic sex scandals are excusable because Democrats don't claim to be moral). Delete the article and create a category for U.S. political scandals. Those scandals which are notable and verifiable per policy can have articles, which can be included in the category. To satisfy NPOV, the category should be non-partisan. Thatcher131 20:33, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. A list that treats Ted Bundy as a major Republican figure, or that tells me that Arnold Schwarzenegger "had sex with a 16 year old when he was 28", or that includes staffers, partisan bloggers, or Right Wing evangelists, under the banner header of Republican sex scandals has no place here. Before this is deleted, should probably receive an award as one of the sleaziest articles ever placed on wikipedia. -- JJay 17:10, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep if renamed to an NPOV title like Political sex scandals of the United States. -Sean Curtin 18:46, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • comment even if renamed, still would be seriously POV and would basically require being reworked from scratch. Would still also be in violation of WP:NOT as in "Wikipedia is not a mirror", as this content is basically a copy/paste from a POV/Left-Leaning wiki: here. Roodog2k 20:01, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete original research soapboxing. As non-American I find it utterly un-encyclopedic who wants to sticks his willy into whom regardless of his/her political affiliations. People, please, if you need to engage in petty political infighting please keep it to yourselves. You are making your whole nation a laughing stock. How about working on an encyclopedia instad, huh?! Weregerbil 20:18, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete plenty of it is silly. President George W Bush raped a woman according to the National Enquirer - that's somehow a Republican sex scandal. Uh huh. Paul Crouch paid $425K to settle a wrongful termination suit. Therefore, Paul Crouch must be gay. Oh and by the way, he's a Republican because, as we all know, all people who have anything to do with Christianity are Republicans so therefore Paul Crouch belongs on a list of Republican sex scandals. BigDT 20:55, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    The claim about the president is not just on that site. Changing the reference to a more reputable source would be a progressive action as part of this process. On the other hand, this discussion is about the overall place of the page on wikipedia. Ansell 04:06, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • comment doesn't this almost fall into the category of speedy delete? It seems like the only reason this is going through something as formal as AFD is to give people their best shot at throwing out random flames before it gets deleted--152.163.101.8 21:33, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. As stated above, this is a clear copyright violation of [14], and has been marked as such. --Rory096 21:52, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • I change my opinion to Speedy Delete based on "blatant copyright infringement" BigDT 22:19, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • The site it's from isn't really a "commercial content provider," so it doesn't fall under WP:CSD a8. --Rory096 22:33, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • I left a note on the page. I'm not sure what that site is published under but I'm guessing the same as Wikipedia considering their similarities in policy(at least a first glance). Meaning that it would not be a copyvio if attributed to that site. Hopefully it can be redone however. Falphin 23:04, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • I went to check if there was any licensing policy over there, but I couldn't tell if there was one or not. They do claim to follow the same guidelines and policies as we do (although I'm not sure how they make WP:NPOV consistent with their fundamental goals). But I think it is reasonable to guess that they are operating under some kind of open license like what we have here. In short, this is probably not a copyvio. A blatant soapbox, yes, but not a copyvio. --Deville (Talk) 03:49, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
      • While it's true that many wikis do have an open license, not only is this run by a for-profit site (Daily Kos), even sites that are under CC licenses aren't compatible with Wikipedia (for example why we can't transwiki from WikiFur, IIRC). --Rory096 03:55, 8 May 2006 (UTC)\[reply]
    I requested verification of the issue here. Ansell 04:06, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    See [15] for confirmation that it's under the GFDL. --Rory096 04:42, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    The license statement at the bottom of the page appeared since I was last at that page. But since it is there now at least we have to assume that no copyright violation has occured. Ansell 05:00, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    That would be because the MediaWiki:Copyright page (pointed to just above) is the page that controls the message at the bottom. Though yes, it's not a copyvio, it does make it clear that this is POV (as it comes from a very left wing site) --Rory096 05:11, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Fascinating! ..er, horrifying. Like watching a car crash. Except the damn car keeps on moving! Myciconia 02:52, 8 May 2006 (UTC) [reply]
  • Delete this page is beyond cleaning up... (Adelphia is not a republican... its a cable company), (getting divorced isn't a sex scandal), (ruch limbaughs drug addiction has nothing to do with sex), (the national enquirer is not a good source of info for anything), (you would think I would have heard about the George Bush claim)... the topic itself is probably worthy of an article, but the best way to do that is to delete and start over--T-rex 03:04, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    What is the difference between deleting and creating again and rewriting, nothing, except for the 75% majority needed to get it past deletion review. You would have thought that Americans being in a free country would hear about scandals involving their president, but apparently not. Ansell 04:06, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    The difference is that to start by deleting the whole thing is the easier way to fix this up --T-rex 23:59, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete And santion the editor(s) of the article for trolling. 172 | Talk 05:14, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    That is a very bold call, which may infact violate WP:AGF. Ansell 23:18, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Bona fide topic. — goethean ॐ
  • Rename to List of political sex scandals in the United States, although Republican sex scandals seem to be more notable because they often have a larger degree of hypocrasy in them (they're pro-marriage, pro-family, anti-abortion, and anti-gay, per their platform, so anything that contradicts those values -- extra- or pre-marital sex, abortions, gay sex, stand out more), we should dump the Demos' sex scandals (if they could agree on what sex is) then we could have an NPOV article there. Carlossuarez46 21:32, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge to Jeff Gannon Ewlyahoocom 22:46, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename to List of political sex scandals in the United States or something not party specific.--Nick Y. 02:39, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • keep useful and important list but renaming would be good Yuckfoo 19:05, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per Deville; mostly soapboxy copy-pasted junk content. Sandstein 19:25, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, garbage, magnet for warriors not contributing a bit to encyclopedia. Pavel Vozenilek 20:19, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • keep but it needs serious editing. Information that is not verifiable should be removed. Information that is sourced is legitimate and should be kept. Poliwonk 23:34 10 May 2006
  • Delete - a sewer of unverified charges, conspiracy-mongering, and POV-pushing weighted down with a huge number of non-notable sheriff's deputies and preachers. Not that those Republican bastards don't deserve a page like this, but that's what dKosopedia is for. —phh (t/c) 17:39, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was The ayes have it. keep. --Tony Sidaway 23:53, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Business Lady

Seems nn to me Metros232 11:32, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep The band is notable...signed onto record label, released some albums. The WP article is also high up on a google search, and it fullfills the requirements for music notability--Osbus 18:40, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment WP:MUSIC says this about bands in terms of labels:
Has released two or more albums on a major label or one of the more important indie labels (i.e. an independent label with a history of more than a few years and a roster of performers, many of which are notable).
I don't think "Hello Asshole Records" and "Half Alder Press" qualify as important indie labels. I don't see any place on the notability standards that this band hits. Metros232 21:33, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
And don't forget Pacific Rock Records. --Osbus 13:10, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, a record label which gets about 100 Google hits and lists about 8 albums as being released by them. Not a particularly notable indie label. Metros232 13:28, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: WP articles are always high up on a google search.
Not all. --Osbus 13:09, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Well put this in the article with a verifiable source and that'd help the article's cause since that's one of the standards of notability for bands. Metros232 16:43, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per Metros232's most recent comment. Let me know if a reliable source for Kellen`'s claim shows. Stifle (talk) 23:53, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep In response to the above comments regarding releases, they are set to put out something on Load Records in the fall which is a very notable underground label. They were also featured on 'Golden Grouper' [16], a compilation of up-and-coming California bands put out by Gold Standard Labs, another notable independent record label. I don't know what counts as "verifiable" in terms of tour dates but here are some reviews/photos/write-ups from their August 2005 tour: New Orleans [17], Cleveland [18], Portland [19] and a review of their self-titled release which references their show in Salt Lake City [20]. They also discuss their Houston show with the San Diego Reader here. hotdiggitydogs 07:53, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep just notable enough. gidonb 15:57, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was Speedy delete per CSD:A7. Stifle (talk) 23:52, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

CATCHpenny

Aside from working with a notable producer or two, nothing stands out about this band Metros232 11:36, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've heard of these guys (I'm in the same business, same city...) I doubt they're notable per WP:MUSIC though. Delete per nom. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Grandmasterka (talk • contribs) .
  • Comment, according to WP:MUSIC, Has performed music for a work of media that is notable, e.g. a theme for a network television show. (But if this is the only claim, it is probably more appropriate to have a mention in the main article and redirect to that page.) In their press page [21] they claim that Music used for ESPN Summer X-Games “Slammed” segments, airing on ABC and ESPN. Also, Has won or placed in a major music competition., they claim in their press page that they were Finalist in the Bon Jovi Battle of the Bands competition. No vote until someone tells me how important these ESPN Summer X-Games "Slammed" and Bon Jovi Battle of the Bands are. I am dismissing the other two contests since I believe they are minor.. -- ReyBrujo 02:04, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The Bon Jovi Battle of the Bands appears to have been a one-time event to find an opening act for a Bon Jovi show in Madison, Wisconsin in November 2005 [22]. I don't know if this particular segment on ESPN's X-Games is a particularly notable segment. But from the sound of it, it's not like it was the theme song or anthem of the entire X-Games, but rather, just mixed in during some highlights or something. Metros232 02:11, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was

The result of the debate was Speedily deleted by Tregoweth as patent nonsense, and WP:SNOW applies here too. Stifle (talk) 12:00, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Tunday

I have refactored some of the longer comments from here to the talk page to reduce the amount that people viewing the day's AFD have to scroll through. This is not an assertion that those comments are worse or less important, merely an effort to aid readability. Please place long comments on the talk page. No keep/delete recommendations have been moved. Stifle (talk) 15:48, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see anything about this "holiday" anywhere online Metros232 11:52, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No, no, it's not online at the moment because it's quite new and not many people have heard about it yet outside of Lancashire. It definately isn't a hoax. Ed22882 12:26, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No, wait a second, my reasons were to keep it not to delete it!--Ed2288 14:35, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

comment that may well be, but your reasons simply underlined why this subject is not notable. IrishGuy 14:42, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Your reasons ("quite new", "not many people have heard about it") made it perfectly clear why it should be deleted. Fan1967 14:44, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
"Now what"? The now-speedied Tit monday. perhaps (which does have a respectable number of Ghits)? Tonywalton  | Talk 14:51, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

DON NOT DELETE If you look at the discussion page for the Tunday article then u'll find that there are those who have heard of it out there... (comment refactored to talk page, posted by Guitar6strings at 15:49, 6 May 2006 (UTC))[reply]

  • Delete, because this is not a "holiday" but just some inofficial idea by someone. As somene already said, Wikipedia is not the place to spread new ideas. —N-true 15:38, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


I'd just like to add that people are now telling blatant lies in order to get the article deleted, eg User:Athenemiranda on the Tunday discussion page. These lies undermine the whole argument for the deletion of the article.--Ed2288 18:12, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I saw the talk page. Athenemiranda didn't claim to speak with you personally, so how can you say it didn't happen? Beyond that, it is irrelevant because this subject remains non notable. IrishGuy 18:19, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Nobody's calling this a hoax. It could be true for all I know. The problem is that it's non-notable. Delete per, well, just about everybody. TheProject 18:18, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as unverifiable. "Tunday", which is a tradition celebrated in Lancashire according to some of the commenters here, turns up only 4 Google hits when combined with Lancashire [23], none of which support the definition of Tunday shown in this article (and two of which are apparently misprints of "Sunday" from mis-scanned newspapers). In other words, we have no online sources for Tunday at all, much less reliable ones. By contrast, I never heard of mohinga before, yet I can find numerous Google hits for it, substantially all of which describe it as a kind of food from Burma. (See here for an example from the Honolulu Advertiser, a reliable source.) I think Tunday is a hoax, but I know it's unverifiable, and by policy it should therefore be deleted even if it's real. --Metropolitan90 20:53, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, a flagrant and frankly embarassing misuse of Wikipedia. My Tunday wish is for this article to disappear, never to return. --Nydas 22:37, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete obvious hoax/TMUISOD, unless proven otherwise. Further weighted by mean, mean sock/meatpuppetry play that can't conduct themselves in an appropriate manner. I recommend the puppets to stop arguing and producing some media mentions, research, or other reliable stuff that would prove that people actually do celebrate this somewhere, because the article doesn't explain that at all. The above, for example, doesn't count, unless you provide citations. --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 11:42, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy delete patent and unsourced nonsense. If you would spend even half as much time sourcing this article as you have belaboring a losing point on this page, maybe somebody would vote to keep the article. Aplomado - UTC 22:13, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

ok, i am trying and ne1 celebrators out there PLEASES! help me cite sources for the article. But just sumthing away from the topic, im at college not in skool.--Guitar6strings 18:21, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • KEEP First of all having read through this discussion I would like to say that just because I am a new user, that people should not treat me any less than themselves, it is true I have made little contribution in the form of comment or article to Wikipedia, through no fault of my own, as I find it a reliable and well managed source, and see little need therefore to add my input. However, I have come to gain information on a local tradition which has recently come to my attention, Tunday. being new to the area I am increasingly interested in local myths and traditions, I have recently heard about Tunday from some of the local people and colleagues who have lived in the area for a long time. with the most recent Tunday just passed I decided to further my knowledge into this tradition, as I found it an interesting event. I trawled the internet fruitlessly, as it seems some of you also have, with little reference to Tunday on the internet I was beginning to lose hope in finding this illustrious tradition. I discovered this article and was shocked to find that people considered Tunday a ‘Hoax’ this fuelled an ambition to find the true roots of Tunday. I remembered the true roots of knowledge before the internet, having took the time to go to the library I found a book entitled 'Lesser known traditions of England and Wales' by Anthony Langdon, in which there was a clear article on Tunday, although small and seeming relatively insignificant compared to other lesser known traditions the article relates to a tradition which reaches back centuries, “Tunday has been an Celtic tradition since circa 230AD, the tradition was a ritual preformed by believers of pre-roman druidism, the ritual was preformed on the hour of the calendar day of the subsequent number of the month of the subsequent number” it goes on to say that “The tradition no longer includes a human sacrifice, but the custom of praying to the Celtic gods for desires has remained.” This appears to have evolved into the current practice of wishing. It appears that the tradition has been passed on through a relatively small area of Celtic ancestry to lead to today's current Lancastrian tradition along with several small Welsh communities who also practice this tradition. The old rituals of sacrifice were replaced over time, when Druidism as a religion was practically destroyed in circa 60BC by the Romans, by those less loyal to the tradition by simple good will gestures, to be in accordance with Roman rule. It would appear according to 'Lesser known traditions of England and Wales' that the tradition of Tunday has evolved to have meaning on our current calendar and as more units of time have become available as has the accuracy of the Tunday tradition. Unfortunately this source gives no information upon the origin of the partial and full Tunday, but I assume as time began to be measured in the 12 hour clock that followers of the tradition adopted the slightly easier option of celebrating Tunday, and taking a quiet moment to reflect and wish on, for instance, the 14th hour rather than the 2nd hour. Also unfortunately the book does not give any disclosure into where the current name of Tunday derives. Of course having discovered this information I was appalled to think that people were comparing such an ancient and inherent tradition to that of Crop Circles or Bigfoot, (admittedly through no fault of their own) classing it a ‘Hoax’. I hope you see the errors of your ways in wishing to delete a (until now) somewhat forgotten gem of British history, from a site dedicated to empowering knowledge to the people. To say that it is suitable for deletion because it is relatively unknown is blatant bigotry against lesser known knowledge and is a misuse of this website. I will certainly be celebrating Tunday and spreading the word of such a prestigious celebration. Upon saying this I would agree that the member who wrote this article needs to review it with relevant sourced information.

--Dontrileme 22:20, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I, too, am shocked. Shocked that so many people with brand spanking new accounts keep finding this AfD just to post long screeds about how important it is. IrishGuy 23:25, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Note that Anthony Langdon's book Lesser Known Traditions of England and Wales is not listed in the online catalogs of the British Library, the Oxford University Libraries, or the Library of Congress, nor is it on sale at Amazon.co.uk or Amazon.com. --Metropolitan90 02:24, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment nor is any relevant-looking Anthony or Antony Langdon, nor the title of the alleged book (as both "Lesser known…" and "Lesser-known…") found by a search by the dogpile.com metasearch engine. It seems there's a problem of verifiability. Again. I wonder if Wikipedia:WikiProject Neopaganism can throw any light on this alleged Druidic ceremony (which sounds deeply suspect, whatever "the ritual was preformed on the hour of the calendar day of the subsequent number of the month of the subsequent number” is supposed to mean). Tonywalton  | Talk 10:17, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Finally, I have found evidence of the roots of Tunday in Eric Rondel's "Chroniques Paysannes Legendes, Traditions et Superstitions". Hopefully we can now get this deletion debate behind us and start to add to and improve the Tunday article.--194.154.22.36 12:52, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete, per nom, and for the dishonest "citations" offered in support.
  • The first book cited (Lesser Known Traditions of England and Wales) does not exist.
  • The second book cited (Chroniques Paysannes Legendes, Traditions et Superstitions)) does not mention Tunday.
  • There is a grave difficulty with any claims of "druid rituals" dating to 230 AD, as the Druids in England and Brittany had been destroyed by the Romans over two centuries before this date.
  • Wikipedia is not intended for cute little games made up in school one afternoon. See WP:NFT.

Justin Eiler 14:24, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


  • firstly in reply to the rather aggressive 'IrishGuy' I have been a legitimate user of Wikipedia for a long time now, although as I explained, I have had no need to comment or add an article of my own until now, having had recent interest in the subject I have joined this farce of a debate in order to protect a tradition and custom 'under attack' by a combination of ignorance and benightedness. I resent that I have to defend my identity as well as defending this tradition, as for so called ‘sock puppetry’ you yourself say along with ‘tonywalton’ admit that you have never seen this happen before in favour or against any AfD. In reply to the accusations that this book does not exist, it seems to be a reprint of a compilation of older books based upon English traditions. It seems that some of this book has been translated from original Gaelic texts. I very much doubt any of these books or manuscripts are listed on any incomplete online library catalogues such as that of the British library which goes back barely further than the 15th century. In reply to your link to the Wikipedia:WikiProject Neopaganism this was not a Neopagan tradition, no doubt it will have evolved into a form of Neopagan tradition, but Celtic beliefs and religion precede that of Neopaganism, so therefore your link is totally irrelevant, I’m afraid. And as for “whatever "the ritual was preformed on the hour of the calendar day of the subsequent number of the month of the subsequent number” is supposed to mean” this quite obviously means that a ritual was preformed on the hour of the day (for instance on the third hour) of the day of the month which followed the number of the hour (for instance the fourth day) of the month which followed the number of the day (for instance the fifth month). Having said this in response I do see your point that the source provided seems somewhat invalid. Therefore I am willing to spend some of my time researching this subject further in order for the truth to be known. When I have collected more information I shall return to post my findings.--Dontrileme 13:20, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
You claim firstly in reply to the rather aggressive 'IrishGuy' I have been a legitimate user of Wikipedia for a long time now... and yet your user history shows quite the opposite. Second, you claim as for so called ‘sock puppetry’ you yourself say along with ‘tonywalton’ admit that you have never seen this happen before in favour or against any AfD....' Wrong. We both stated quite clearly that neither of us has seen it be effective. It happens all the time in AfDs...it just rarely works. Because like this case, it is plainly obvious that Dontrileme is the same user as Guitar6strings. You both write the same. You both insist on calling this a debate even though it has been pointed out it isn't. You both write excessively long screeds and point the finger at me about this being deleted. I'm not the one who nominated this for deletion. I'm just the one who keeps catching your sockpuppets. IrishGuy 17:23, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
as for so called ‘sock puppetry’ you yourself [Irishguy] say along with ‘tonywalton’ admit that you have never seen this happen before in favour or against any AfD. Actually no, I said nothing like that. I said though I supposed it had been known I personally had never seen sockpuppetry in favour of deletion, and I'd never seen sockpuppetry against deletion to be effective (quite the reverse; it tends to sway consensus in favour of deletion). And it very likely won't work here either. Tonywalton  | Talk 13:27, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Dontrileme: that, I'm afraid, is a lie. Stifle (talk) 14:11, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment excuse me i stand corrected, but what are we dedebating here? my ability to quote your comments or the imminant deletion of a peice of British history? --Dontrileme 15:54, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Stifle, the word 'that' dosn't quite point out what you find to be untrue, please, be more specific so that i may dispel your doubts.--Dontrileme 15:59, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Certainly. I assert that as you registered on Monday, your assertion that "I have been a legitimate user of Wikipedia for a long time now" is inaccurate. Stifle (talk) 21:01, 9 May 2006 (UTC)comm[reply]
Comment I would like to thank Justin Eiler for bringing the matter of 230AD to my attention, it is true that druids did not exist at that time, as I clearly stated "Druidism as a religion was practically destroyed in circa 60BC by the Romans" unfortunately I made a typing error, I should have typed 230BC but accidentally typed 230AD instead, I’m sure you can appreciate that I have made a typing error and even went on to seem to disprove myself with the previous quote. (I do not see why I would do that if I was lying and not just making a simple mistake.) As for accusations of the book 'Lesser Known Traditions of England and Wales' not existing, well I can only say that I have read it, it does exist and it isn't my problem if you cannot find the book.--Dontrileme 16:22, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Typographical errors are certainly understandable, and I don't hold that against anyone. However, as to "it isn't my problem if you cannot find the book," this is the very crux of Wikipedia's policy on verifiability. If the book cannot be found, that changes this AfD from a Delete discussion to a Speedy Delete discussion. Justin Eiler 16:41, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

We must have different versions of "Chroniques Paysannes Legendes, Traditions et Superstitions". In my version, it appears to me (my french is not flawless) Tunday is on page 45. Is there something different in your version?


  • Delete: This whole discussion is idiotic and beside the point. This AfD is not an attack on a different religion or cult or tradition or whatever. The existence of the wikipedia article is what's in discussion here. You (the article author and all the "Tundayists" around here) say that Tunday exists, is notable in the Lancashire area and that there's a book that mentions it. Fine. Give us a way to verify it and we will promptly change our votes to Keep. Please read WP:V for a extended explanation on verifiability. Wikipedia:Reliable_sources has more info on what is "Reliable Source". Whining and personal attacks wont change the outcome of this AfD. 146.164.26.85 18:06, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I accept the fact that people find it hard to accept the proposed sources by my fellow Tunday believers but whether you can find those books/sources or not does not make this article a hoax; it only further emphasises your point as an article that cannot not yet at this point be verifeid sufficeintly to your strict demands. I believe notability is somewhat "proven" or moving towards it wheather you may agree with me or not but ture, the real debate between people here is on the verifiablity. However i must strongly stress that despite this topic of discussion in my motion to keep the article; it is most deffinately not a hoax.--Guitar6strings 23:01, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, notability has in no way been proven. All that has been shown are sources given that may or may not exist. How does that illustrate notability? IrishGuy 23:05, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I completely and unreservedly accept your assertion that it's not a hoax. However, the standard at Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth. To quote from the relevant policy, "This means that we only publish material that is verifiable with reference to reliable, published sources."
If and when Tunday reaches the level of public acclaim and awareness to be published in reliable, published sources, feel free to come back and recreate the article. In the meantime, it fails the standards of verifiability, and thus does not belong at Wikipedia. Justin Eiler 00:19, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
comment "However, the standard at Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth" What, so your saying that Wikipedia would allow an untrue article if it was verifiable? That's absurd.--194.154.22.35 12:12, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment An untrue article wouldn't be verifiable. If it can be verified, it's true. However, many things are true but cannot be verified. Fan1967 13:46, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Just to make things a little more complicated, my friend Shan used to call 1.23 AM "the magic minute - make a wish!" (although she never used the term "Tunday" ever). DS 14:40, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment- Close Seems to have been speedied (twice) under G1. — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 00:27, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 16:37, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Cunt in the face

Poorly written article, very dictionary like and non notable neologism Matthew Fenton (t) 12:25, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Can verify usage in several contemporary sources; largely undeground usage. Started as student slang, although notably in more common use since the start of the year.


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The result of the debate was speedy delete. DS 14:15, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Create new

Non notable person, also article is entitled Create New yet it is about a porn "star" Matthew Fenton (t) 12:46, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was speedy delete. No Guru 19:37, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Gino ninja

Unverifiable or non-notable neologism. None of the google results for "gino ninja" mention the neologism. SCHZMO ✍ 12:46, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was Speedy delete per CSD:G4. Stifle (talk) 15:39, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Akatsuki leader

Information is too vague to be of any importance. May be an attack page --soUmyaSch 14:02, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 16:38, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Benson (comic strip)

Delete article about a webcomic with no assertion of notability. Gwernol 14:17, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Comment This article was prod'ed but the prod notice was removed without comment. Also 194.221.212.20 has been astroturfing spam links to the comic to Wikipedia articles today. Gwernol 14:19, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 16:39, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

VOIPStunt

I added a prod tag with the following text:Spam: advertisement for a VOIP service with no assertion of notability. Prod tag was removed with no reason given and no edits save the addition of a logo, so I'm taking it to AfD for the stated reason Tonywalton  | Talk 14:41, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete, WP:SPAM, advertisement. --Terence Ong 14:49, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per above. -- Kicking222 15:06, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - per nom and orig reason given when prodded - Politepunk 15:07, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per above. Second VOIP company ad this week. Fan1967 15:08, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. This article talks about a new VOIP service of benefit to other users and which is rapidly gaining popularity for making FREE calls to landlines using the internet. So, if people should know about other free VOIP services like Skype and Jajah, they also deserve to know about VOIPStunt which allows calling about 49 countries in the world free of cost. Google returns 264,000 results for this software including expert reviews, test reports, user experiences etc. Some websites are also talking about this as a better alternative to Skype. So, if Skype and Jajah are metioned, this software should also be brought to the awareness of the masses. vishaltayal 22:03, 6 May 2006 (IST)
Comment Can you explain what makes this service notable? For instance does it meet WP:CORP guidelines in any way? Wikipedia is not generally a medium for advertising, however "of benefit" the advertisement is claimed to be. By the way, your article appears to be a copy/paste of an entry this web page which claims "all rights reserved". You are aware that though in this instance the rights appear to be yours, posting it on Wikipedia means that, as it says at the bottom of the edit box, You agree to license your contributions under the GFDL? Tonywalton  | Talk 15:30, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Google returns 264,000 results for VOIPStunt including expert reviews, test reports, user experiences etc. which would fulfill the Wikipedia WP:CORP guidelines. Yes, a different version of this article also features in the tech reviews section of my blog. I agree to license this particular version on Wikipedia under the GFDL.vishaltayal 22:10, 6 May 2006 (IST)
Comment Hundreds, if not thousands, of companies have jumped into the VOIP market. What distinguishes this one? Is it a dominant player in the market? Does it have a significant market share? Fan1967 17:10, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - note that the same user has created an identical page at VOIPBuster - it should probably be deleted too.
Comment VOIPBuster is another variant offered by Betamax Group. Their list of FREE destinations is different and they offer VOIP-in numbers in different destinations. I have changed the entry to reflect the differences between VOIPBuster and VOIPStunt.


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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 16:39, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Clarke High School (Maine)

Some strange things have gone on in the history logs for this school article and Clarke High School (Ontario). There are towns with this same name: Orono, Ontario, and Orono (town), Maine, but so far as I can see, the town in Maine (a) has no Highway 115 by which the school is supposed to lie, and (b) it has no Clarke High School, it simply being called Orono High School. BillC 14:43, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Note to closing admin: this nom is for the Maine article only. The school in Ontario definitely exists. --BillC 22:11, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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The result of the debate was Keep -- Longhair 03:09, 9 May 2006 (UTC).[reply]

Australian Privacy Act Of 1988

Speedy keep as rewritten by CanadianCaesar. Now that's what I call a rewrite! Tonywalton  | Talk 19:45, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 16:40, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Dr Windows

non notable one sentence article IrishGuy 15:14, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 16:40, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Léon-Bernard Giot

The person's article is up for deletion in the French Wikipedia , as well as the article for his school École internationale de chant et de respiration. There is little, or no material for this individual in Google, and nothing for "Bernardo Giotto". There are no recordings listed in any of the databases, nor was any information available for any of the awards that he has listed in Englih or in French. He lists no degrees, nor does he list ensembles that he conducts. There are also a great many references to his school and his name in other articles which have nothing to do with the subject which keep popping up in the French version of Wikipedia, as well as a great many articles about little known family members which are also being examined. To be consistent, I'm nominating this article for deletion. Please also see the Article for Deletion entry in the French version of Wikipédia [24] Musikfabrik 15:16, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete voting delete as the nominator Musikfabrik 15:44, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete not notable per en.wikipedia policies. gidonb 18:56, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Supprimer per nom and the fr.wikipedia's AfD. --Eivindt@c 00:34, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete unless evidence of notability is provided. Could somone alert someone on the Dutch wikipedia as well? Falphin 00:44, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Neutral, there are several results in dutch on the web. I'm not really sure of the notability if this is the same person as Professor Léon-Bernard Giot. Falphin 00:48, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
      • Someone on French wikipedia has alerted someone on Dutch Wikipedia and hopefully, he will respond. I work in the music business in Europe and no one I know has heard of him. We'll see what the Dutch have to say about this. This is the same person as "Professor Léon-Bernard Giot", per a re-direct on the French site. Looking at the edit history of the Dutch article, I see that gidonb has made several edits on the Dutch version. Perhaps he might be able to comment? Musikfabrik 09:27, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
        • Hi Musikfabrik, the Dutch Wikipedia is not equally strict with notability. From what I can understand LBG is a part-time musician who apparently also gives some lessons. Some of the information comes from a long-time participant at nl.wikipedia who knows him. LBG pointed out on the talk page that the title "professor" is not protected, i.e. he claims anyone can carry it. He uses the name International whatever school to describe his lesson practice. Personally, I do not believe that this is the best way to promote art, but Wikipedia is not a promotional site anyway. He has had second thoughts as well, because in the past he asked to delete the talk page for his Dutch article. It has been archived, with which he is unhappy. The article here is a promotional text, full of exaggerations. It was created, not by himself, after he had placed a request to be included in en.wikipedia. At his website there are some clippings from the local press, mostly about his ideas on better breathing. He suggests that he should become minister of breathing of Belgium (or was it one of its "states"). This suggestion attracted mild interest from the local press. gidonb 10:20, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete not notable for en.WP. Gidonb, thanks for your comments. --MaNeMeBasat 14:14, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. -- ReyBrujo 20:50, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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The result of the debate was Merge into Qantas--Kungfu Adam (talk) 20:16, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Qantas Flight Numbers

This is like the Singapore Airlines flight numbers article, which was mostly deleted, and a summary was added to the mainline article. There is no reason for a separate article on this (WP:NOT) Dbinder 15:32, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Voting delete as the nominator. Dbinder 15:32, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was keep. fuddlemark (fuddle me!) 13:00, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Rebecca Sealfon

user:Aplomado nominated this for prod with the following concern "Non-notable as per the decision of Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Rageshree_Ramachandran". This article is sufficiently different from Ramachandran (who didn't have the additional, if marginal, assertions of notability). Personally I don't feel she's notable enough for her own article, but just notable enough to be merged into either Scripps National Spelling Bee or a Scripps National Spelling Bee winners article (along with other winners, including the deleted Ramachandran). Finlay McWalter | Talk 15:55, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

AfD is not for proposing merges! fuddlemark (fuddle me!) 13:00, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was transwikied, so delete. Well done to y'all for not being nasty about this, and Mr Wiley for taking it so well. fuddlemark (fuddle me!) 13:03, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hyperboy

Another webcomic. While some webcomics are notable, this one hasn't reached any form of print publication or significant circulation. Seems to have been created for the sole purpose of promoting the comic, as it states that it is, "well-drawn, humorous, and rich full-color." I am recommending delete. --Hetar 16:47, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Sorry about the comments, I was unfamiliar with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines on neutrality. I have adjusted the article to reflect a non biased and purely informational view of the webcomic. keep?. --Mattwileyart, 6 May 2006
  • Delete While it is good that the NPOV remarks have been edited, the comic itself just isn't notable at this time. That may change at some point in the future, but for now...non-notable. IrishGuy 17:30, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Fair enough, My comic has only been around for a little over a year, so I should come to expect this. Give me time though. I'm glad this site is managed and mediated by responsible people. Go ahead, delete it... --Mattwileyart, 6 May 2006
comment thank you for not taking this AfD personally. It is no reflection on you or your work, merely the level of notability and acclaim it has garnered at this point. IrishGuy 17:39, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • You're welcome. I've made it a practice not to get upset when things change. It just makes communication easier.--Mattwileyart, 6 May 2006
Comment If you haven't already, you might want to look up Comixpedia's webcomic encyclopedia. It uses the same software and license Wikipedia does, and, of course, caters specifically to webcomics. The main page is here. –Abe Dashiell (t/c) 18:42, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 16:41, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Doom Tennis

To quote from the article, "One of many games in a series of "Doom Sports" that are played by upper sixth Parmitarians. (05/06)" --Hetar 17:12, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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