Talk:Redwall

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This should be Redwall, not Rewall. The current Redwall page is listed for copyvio deletion so this one can't be moved.Ark30inf 22:15, 9 Sep 2003 (EDT)

I have added a note to Wikipedia:Votes_for_deletion/copyvio so this one can be moved there after the 7 days expire. Angela 02:41, 10 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Done. Angela 21:39, Sep 18, 2003 (UTC)

Some mention should be made of the cartoon adaptation. m410

There is a mention, it's right there in the first paragraph. Of course, if you want something more substantial, then by all means, go ahead and put it in (or make another page, if appropriate). Just don't ask ME to do it - I wasn't even aware a TV version *existed* until I read the page...
Oh, and by the way, I noticed that your current two contributions have only been to talk pages, including this one, not to mention that it seemed like you could've made the change yourself with the other article. It's almost always perfectly acceptable to edit the article yourself, instead of mentioning it on the talk page. - Bulbaboy 19:03, 2 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

I changed the sentence to say that the animals' speech is rendered into English rather than actually being English. Tolkein explains in The Lord of the Rings how the characters in his books don't actually speak English, but the narrator renders the Westron (and some other languages) into various modes of English to suit the characters. Perhaps this is plausible for Redwall as well, and Jacques doesn't explicitly say that the creatures of his forests speak English itself. Jeeves 11:48, 6 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Languages in Redwall

But some of the speech used in the books seems a lot like various British dialects of English; for instance the moles' speech sounds like the West Country accent of England.

Of course, this could just be a way of distinguishing them.

Whole issue is somewhoat irrevelant. Without any statement from Jacques the question becomes rediculous and there is no point discussing it.12.17.189.77 15:42, 7 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, at the end of each episode of the animation series is a short Q&A section in which the author answers questions - he DID say that the Molespeech is a variation of a West Country accent.

Monsters

Someone said that the book Salamandastron contained a giant cow. I'm sorry, but I've read the book and have no memory of any kind of bovine. You were doubtlessly referring to the Deepcoiler, which is NOT a cow, but rather a sea serpent. Scorpionman 13:00, 9 October 2005 (UTC) Someone said the Deepcoiler was a cow? ROTF! Davidizer13 18:09, 26 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I own that book, and have read it at least 3 times. No cows. --Tjstrf 18:12, 26 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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False

This is getting ridiculous. First someone said that there was a cow in the book Salamandastron. Now, someone puts the book Yossi the Warrior in the list of Redwall books. There is no Redwall book by the name of Yossi the Warrior. Scorpionman 15:13, 6 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Someone removed this phrase "Whether it's truly about Redwall has been debated" from the description of Terrouge under external links. I'd like to know why this has been removed, and why I shouldn't put it back. --147.124.49.89 05:23, 6 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Film

Are there any plans for a live-action film based on the first novel? Scorpionman 14:07, 13 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

To my knowledge, not at this time, no. There have been animated films, but nothing live-action. However, given the success of Narnia at the box office, it could open up the door. --66.190.72.175 00:14, 18 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

If a Redwall movie is ever made,it'd be described as Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings by way of Stuart Little. R.G.12:54, 18 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Heh heh, sounds like a pretty good description. With the success of the fantasy films that have been coming out over the past few years, I'd say that it's quite likely that a company such as Disney, which did Narnia, would do a Redwall live-action film. Just hoping! Scorpionman 18:18, 8 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The problem with a Redwall movie would be how to keep it kid-friendly, since that would be the target demographic, while still being true to the books. The animated series suffered from this quite a bit. --Tjstrf 23:35, 9 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Narnia faced the same problem, seeing as how it's supposed to be a rather kid-friendly story yet remain appealing to adults, but it succeeded at the problem. Redwall could do the same. One thing I would hope to see in a live-action film would be an extension upon Cluny's history. That would be neat. Scorpionman 02:42, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Orphaned pages on this topic

Recently a new user with an obvious interest in this topic has posted several new pages about what appear to be characters in the Redwall series. I don't know anything about this, so could someone go through the user contributions of User:Sandry25 and link in the 5 or so pages that she has created? Currently they are just bald text without wikilinks. Thanks,

Witty lama 01:48, 9 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Criticisms

I am one of the older fans of Redwall (25). I had a hard time figuring out one of the criticisms of the series.

  • Stormtrooper effect- The hordes that attack Redwall (and Salamandastron) don't seem well trained. They more or less rely on numbers and intimidation, sometimes on a good military mind. Redwallers , while not trained in a military sense, do have naturally developed abilities (such as squirell archers) and are usually aided by a good stratigist. The Long Patrol and hares of Salamandastron are trained, plus led by badgers. Battles are usually well planned by abbey dwellers. Plus they normally have the advantage of being inside the abbey walls, able to use the ramparts and trees to their advantage.

The Stormtrooper criticism is valid. Although in some cases the Redwallers used guerilla warfare and terrain based advantage, often - and more frequently in the latter books - good guys just slaughter their way through bad guys effortlessly, such as Martin II killing hundreds of moniter lizards single handedly in Pearls of Lutra. Also, the 'bloodwrath' that the badgers experience is itself inaccurate. In Mariel of Redwall, it specifically said that Rawnblade Widestripe was the first badger lord to experience the bloodwrath since Boar the Fighter. It wasn't until Outcast of Redwall that the bloodwrath became something that all badgers came under every time they fought. McJeff 22:17, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry, hundreds? Methinks someone needs to read through Pearls of Lutra again. Also, Outcast was published after Mariel; I'm sure you know there is some discontinuity within the series? --Anonymous 03:08 30 April 2006 (CST)
I call it "Brian Jacques forsaking continuity to give his good guys an excuse to be invincible, even though it damages the other books" McJeff 20:05, 5 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Unacceptable language under "Criticisms"

I have not read any of these books, and don't plan to. I've only visited this page due to curiosity. But one thing strikes me: the use of the word "insane" in this sentence is completely unacceptable. It must be replaced with something less charged. "Also, many have found it insane that the 'peaceful Abbeybeasts' can take down hundreds of trained killers, as seen above" (my emphasis).--Peter Knutsen 10:37, 14 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, that whole section needs a heavy edit. I just don't have time right now, Anyone else up for it? --Jackyd101 02:11, 5 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Blaggut

Clarified a few things in the article about Blaggut. Alvin6226 20:40, 18 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wildcats

In High Rhulain, the villain is a wolverine, but is listed as a wildcat. Unless I have gone wrong somewhere, I am sure he is referred to several times as "Riggu Felis, vicious wolverine." i thought that that was a kind of dog, not cat? --Fuzzibloke 11:06, 22 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Scale

One thing I wondered about since reading the books; is the world of the stories "normal-sized" to a human or to a mouse or squirrel? That is, are all the otters and cats huge, or are the various animals about the size of a human, with some exceptions? Obviously Asmodeus the snake was depicted as large, and the swan that ate some of the rat villains in Redwall was large enough to swallow them whole.

Myself, I assume a squirrel is approximately human size, and that all other creatures are in a reduced scale from there. So a badger might be the size of a giant human, (8-10 ft.) but wouldn't be the size of a giant elephant. "Monster" creatures, birds, etc. seem to have their normal or even an exaggerated scale compared to the woodlanders. But I don't think there are any Redwall size charts, so we don't know for sure. --Tjstrf 22:56, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Brian Jacques has said on Redwall.org is that they're as big or small as you want them to be. It's solely on your imagination. --Anonymous, 03:06, 30 April 2006 (CST)

Major edit

I've made a major edit to this page which mostly involves shortening and cleaning up the criticism section. I still think it might be too long, so feel free to prune it a bit. Here's a summary of what I did:

  • I didn't see how the militarism section was a criticism, and it didn't explain it. However, there was some decent information in here, so I used this to start a new "Characters" section to describe each of the species and categorize them as good/bad. These are kind of rudimentary right now, but I'll try to expand them a bit, and PLEASE help me out in doing so
  • I've never heard the "Abbey" term used as a criticism, so I moved that section to a new "Locations" section where hopefully descriptions of Redwall and Salamandastron will develop. However, this paragraph may eventually go into another section about miscellaneous topics in Redwall, where this paragraph will fit nicely under a "Religion" heading
  • I cut out some of the details in the criticism section, as hopefully the characters section will describe some of these phenomena. There's still some detail that may need to be cut out later.
  • It would be nice to find some sources for these criticisms. If you know of any sources, please provide them.
  • Remember, there are new sections that I've created that I think can be great. Please help me in expanding these

That's all for now. Let me know if you have any questions! EWS23 | (Leave me a message!) 03:47, 5 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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