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If you post to my talk page, I will reply exclusively here. If I posted recently to your talk page, I will read responses exclusively there.

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I am disinterested in rants; if you want to blow off steam, go join a gym.

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Beyond that, I keep my AfD work over on AfD. Don't write me here to dispute my posts or lobby to change my vote. Anything on your mind should be said in the pertinent discussion, so everyone can be privy to the debate.
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Lynn Singer

Greetings: Just wanted to let you know I've posted some thoughts re the Lynn Singer entry, and that I look forward to comparing thoughts with you, as it would appear we differ – I see this sort of thing as a nettlesome area in general for Wikipedia – so, who knows, perhaps a useful insight or two might emerge. AtomikWeasel (talk) 19:44, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Talkback

Hello, Ravenswing. You have new messages at Jeff G.'s talk page.
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WP:HOCKEY

Would ya believe, afterall this time, I'm still peeved about the dios being on the birthplace names at the NHL team roster templates? Even though Dj, explained the reasons to me? Oh well, whatcha gonna do. GoodDay (talk) 14:17, 22 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Helping

Hi. I think you are right about Jeff G. Looking into it, I notice you bite Gomez91. This is a user who appears to be trying very hard to do the right thing, but needs some help, especially with formatting links. Care to try your hand at helping this user? If someone does not help Gomez91 soon, Gomez91 is sure to suffer at the hands of Recent Changes page patrollers. 64.105.65.28 (talk) 21:25, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • You mean that I sent Gomez a warning about repeatedly deleting facts from an article, something I notice he did again today, and was likewise reverted by another editor? He already has a full set of links, I see. That being said, what prevents you from helping Gomez91 yourself? WP:SOFIXIT.  RGTraynor  06:33, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Um, because Gomez91 is editing pages on your watchlist, not mine? --64.105.65.28 (talk) 12:54, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Well, you're the one who took enough of an interest in matters to go over MY contribution list and find out what I've been saying on other peoples' talk pages. Suggests that you have some spare time, to me.  RGTraynor  18:09, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
On Wikipedia:Huggle/Feedback you raised a concern and (I thought) asked for advice. No one can give much useful advice without first looking to see what it is you are concerned about. 64.105.65.28 (talk) 19:57, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
How that would pertain to MY contribution list I can't imagine, but it takes all kinds, I suppose.  RGTraynor  04:11, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Bobby Holík

Alright, I just thought it was an error that had crept in, if that's the project consensus, I'll live with it. Bevo74 (talk) 13:12, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there..

I was just reading your discussion on Duncan MacPherson, and what Seawaggg had written, which lead me here to see your in the Boston area.. I'm Duncan's brother - and in the small world that we live in, our (2nd) cousin works in the Boston radio market, and used to play for the Bruins http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyndon_Byers. Anyway, just thought I'd make mention of that.. keep well. Later —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gribbler (talk • contribs) 16:53, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hartford Whalers Page

What happened to the Hartford Whalers page. Someone made it impossible to edit any section. I do believe the sections on retired numbers and departure from Hartford need to be protected from unregistered users but the whole page is protected from any edits. What happened?Whalerguy1 (talk) 01:24, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Salma Attaulla jan

There no controversy being added but the truth and facts when she has stated on national tv to been have invited to miss pakistan world. we can add the cbc link as well. you cannot keep away from the news.... even if you are her PR. it will be added whether you like it or not. And keep your threats to yourself! --Sonisona 04:55, 12 September 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sonisona (talk • contribs)

  • You have a history of personal attacks, a history of incivility and a history of defamatory material on BLP articles for which you've declined to provide sources, as Wikipedia policy rigidly requires. You would be better served in focusing less on your outrage at being warned of behavior that violates Wikipedia rules, in favor of conforming with those rules and thus requiring no warnings.  RGTraynor  14:28, 12 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

AZW Hawaii discussion thread

Actually AZW did NOT lose their shirts with the AJ Styles appearance. In fact the company has grown ever since getting bigger and better with each shows and in 5 years have attracted stars from Dragon Gate, ROH, TNA and WWE. And the promotion draws more than 100 people to their events at bigger venues. You wikipedia geeks need to know your facts before making assumptions. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.253.73.90 (talk) 03:44, 25 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • And spammers like you ought to know yours. For one thing, where in the hell did you get the impression that this was a topic in which (a) I was interested, (b) I had contributed, or (c) there was even an article on the subject ON Wikipedia? God alone knows what led you to my talk page to pop off, but you can take yourself to someone who knows what you're talking about and might even care. As long as that discussion isn't on Wikipedia, you can be as much of a mouthy jerk as pleases you.  RGTraynor  06:52, 25 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Untitled

Please do not make unhelpful submissions as you did to my talk page. Such submissions are not in accordance with Wikipedia's code of practice. Many thanks. Abjk421 (talk) 09:54, 22 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You removed an AfD template, in violation of deletion policy. This is not the first time you have removed templates without notice or explanation. You were warned for doing so. This is exactly in accordance with Wikipedia policy, and it is certainly not vandalism. What was vandalism was you changing someone's vote in that AfD, turning a "Delete" into a "Keep" and changing the wording. That's a serious violation.  RGTraynor  14:21, 22 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

FYI: I opened a sock puppet investigation on them all at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Andrewthorpeapps. -DJSasso (talk) 12:11, 22 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Bobby Orr

I've been working on the Orr article for most of this month. Since you've worked on it quite a bit, I'd like your input on it. Is there anything missing? Anything need to be improved? Etc. I'd like to get the article to GA. user:alaney2k(user talk:alaney2k) 21:10, 22 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

WP Ice Hockey in the Signpost

"WikiProject Report" would like to focus on WikiProject Ice Hockey for a Signpost article. This is an excellent opportunity to draw attention to your efforts and attract new members to the project. Would you be willing to participate in an interview? If so, here are the questions for the interview. Just add your response below each question and feel free to skip any questions that you don't feel comfortable answering. Also, if you know anyone else who would like to participate in the interview, please share this with them. Have a great day. -Mabeenot (talk) 02:30, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

AfD

Regarding my AfD and your wondering "whether the next act involves prompt public claims of (presumably right wing) censorship": I like the subject's writing and was trying to follow a link, got lost, Googled, and was surprised to find the Wikipedia article. I like radical politics, but I like Wikipedia and its integrity, too, which is why I AfD'd the (vanity) article.

I feared a possible 'retribution' for the AfD and so created an SPA (I've edited just a few Wikipedia articles before, and never before issued an AfD). This may have been wise, and you were right in one regard: after the AfD I promptly received Wiki-talk claiming the subject was "clearly targeted for political reasons." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Minbbb (talk • contribs) 17:01, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Well ... yes, I've taken flak and have had my motives questioned for filing AfDs. But in the end it all rolls off my back. What, in sober truth, can anyone do to me? Get me fired? Anger my wife? Evict my cats? As far as the "clearly targeted" charge, my perpetual answer is "If you genuinely believe that no one can apply Wikipedia policies and guidelines without malicious intent or ulterior motives, I feel sorry for you," or variations thereof. Feel free to steal it! In your shoes, I wouldn't worry.  RGTraynor  17:22, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Emily Schooley DRV

Just a quick note - I can heartily accept people disagreeing with me. What I am sure you and a lot of other Wikipedians are not a fan of is WP:BATTLEGROUND. Which is why that particular article was put up for deletion, and why there was a backlash of SPAs. That aside, I am working on finding more reliable sources to establish notability and was arguing for such with what evidence collected thus far. If it is not sufficient, so be it. Not going to start edit warring. Bytemeh (talk) 03:45, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • I certainly wasn't accusing you of edit warring; there is, after all, no article in question to examine, and that's not the point of the debate in any event. I stand behind the statements I did make. As far as battlegrounds go, you are yourself the editor most guilty of provoking one, in so far as you're throwing around unwarranted and unproven claims of bias and took the trouble to rebut most of the Endorse voters. For my money, there was a "backlash" of SPAs in the same fashion as we often see at AfD concerning obscure performers; there's a fan page where an angry article creator made a "Those bastards are trying to censor Our Heroine off of Wikipedia! Help stop them!!!!!" post, and a dozen or so fans eagerly storm the ramparts. Almost invariably, the SPAs lack any notion of Wikipedia policies and guidelines, and define "notability" to mean "we think she's important." Somewhat farcically, given that their sole focus is in defending the article (and, as to that, the honor of the subject) at all costs, they are unusually quick to claim bias and ascribe sinister motives to the veteran editors who dare oppose them. This is why - quite properly - we tend to discount the opinion of SPAs in AfD debates.  RGTraynor  23:05, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Which in normal circumstances is completely fair, I agree. However, in my own case, I have been on and off the site as the mood strikes, and avoided joining in the AfD discussion for that reason, as knew would be viewed as an SPA with this name. Same as how I am not going to keep reposting the article, which is what I meant by edit warring, as I see others have tried that tactic. I would not normally be so quick to ascribe bias/hostility, either (and will freely admit my own bias in having enjoyed seeing Emily perform live, which is how I became aware of her), save for that the user who submitted her article for deletion has conflicting stories as to how he found her article, was very quick to make positive changes to articles about Frozen North and made promotional edits for Flips Twisted World. I am trying to avoid WP:POINTy with my own edits but it seems obvious to me that Deepsix66 has a vendetta going, as he has now targeted an event she is involved with. I am happy to agree to disagree and leave the discussion here, if you wish - I have no desire for petty arguments, and can fully admit that my initial involvement in the subject was more emotionally charged than it should be. Just have no tolerance for bullying, is all, and a bit of a white knight complex. Bytemeh (talk) 03:47, 2 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You have awarded me a 'Copyeditor's Barnstar'

Am I to feel chuffed or rebuffed? Please explain.

Now that you have brought attention to yourself, I must point out that things must centre 'on' not 'around' your hockey.

Sorry, it is a curse! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bossrat (talk • contribs) 20:10, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Computer bulletin board articles

There is an entire category of articles about bulletin boards, and articles about hacker groups, and even articles about all the meetings the small group of users held, mostly with no references, beyond the two I nominated at AFD. Edison (talk) 17:23, 5 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest. If I was ever to issue Traynor's Law, one of the leading candidates would be "The degree to which a group believes that their impact on the world is worthy of memorializing is in inverse proportion to the sum of its size and genuine notoriety."  RGTraynor  20:03, 5 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

2010 Karachi plane crash

I know what you mean. I don't know if you've seen his comments at other air crash-related AfDs, but this is what he does. I can't really complain about him being a deletionist—he has every right to be one—I just wish he would be a bit more civil and stop trying to find faults with everyone who disagrees with him. Regards, wackywace 19:51, 8 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • I probably have, over the years; I've certainly had run-ins with him in other debates. And yeah, I'm not one to complain about deletionism myself, because I am one. Part and parcel of being an honest editor, though, is to know when something passes (or doesn't) the rules, whether you like it or not. Hmm ... come to that, I probably would have been less smarmy in that debate if I didn't have a "Geez, here's Mick again, all prepped to be a jackass as usual" moment. 'Tis a pity.  RGTraynor  20:24, 8 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • Problem is, now that there are so many editors who everyone has opinions on; so many guidelines, essays and policies; and so many opinions that AfDs are much a debate about editors and policies than they are about the articles. wackywace 20:51, 8 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
      • Too right. That's why I'm pretty strict about it; when I nominate an article for deletion, I'd better have a solid policy ground in mind, and when I vote on an AfD, it's because there are (or aren't) solid grounds to delete, and I've checked over the article myself.  RGTraynor  21:01, 8 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Most recent comment....

I know...it amuses me greatly when people claim there is a hockey cabal when there are a number of huge issues the project can't agree on. Or atleast hadn't agreed on in the past. Just because people work well together and often agree on similar issues does not mean we are a cabal. Resolute made an amusing usebox based on that kind of comment when Tony the Tiger was calling the project a Mafia. I think its at User:Resolute/Mafia. -DJSasso (talk) 16:48, 12 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Return

Hello, RGTraynor. I hope life is going well for you. I am interested in returning to some part-time editing, but I have been out of the loop for a couple years. Has there any big changes to editing policy, particularly around the Ice Hockey WikiProject, that I should be made aware of? Thanks. Croat Canuck Talk 16:05, 17 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Hey, man, long time no hear! I hope life's going well for you ... In any event, the biggest item is that WP:ATHLETE was finally devolved to the various projects, so our notability guideline (WP:NHOCKEY) is now an official Wikipedia guideline. Other than that, I can't think of much ... good to have you back around!  RGTraynor  16:20, 17 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

State National

Very nicely put. I like it. Wolfstorm000 (talk) 16:30, 18 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Re:Manitoba

I agree, although he just took a cheap shot at calling us arrogant on his talk page, but I'll just let that go. Unless he reverts it back, we have nothing to worry about. Nations United (talk) 02:26, 27 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Pretty much. It's a complete giggle fit seeing someone who Just Knows He's Right And Everyone Else In The World Is Wrong having the stones to call anyone else "arrogant," but self-righteousness is never in short supply on Wikipedia. As long as he doesn't try to sneak in his edits against unanimous consensus, he can declare moral victory as strongly as he needs.  RGTraynor  04:08, 27 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Opinion on Plane Crash Afd.

Hi, unfortunately another plane crashed yesterday in Karachi, and the article was nominated for deletion, your input in the previous discussion was considerable(2010 Karachi plane crash), I appreciate it if you could devote your time to the current discussion. Please review this event here and the afd discussion here Taqi Haider (talk) 06:18, 29 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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