Talk:Viking metal

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To the recent editor: I consider the quote by Quorthon to be an integral part of this article as it explains the development of Viking metal itself, considering he is in fact the mastermind of the "genre". Also, the fact that germanic folklore is "epic", is certainly not an opinion. That said, I agree with you on all other changes made for professionalism and erroneous POV. --Eldvindr 01:38, 8 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Then please add an inline citation to the website containing the quote, as adding copyrighted material from other websites is disallowed on Wikipedia. If you dont know how to add citations, then put the link here and ill do it. Sorry for being bitchy, im having a bad night tonight, so my attitude is appauling by all measures. Leyasu 02:39, 8 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

My apologies, I wasn't familiar with these specific rules, as I am unable to find a direct sentence link to this quote from Quorthon, (somewhat rediculous to me that a direct quote is copyrighted), I will ask the webmaster at Bathory.se for permission. Could you elaborate on why my choice of the word "epic" is unaccaptable in its original context? If you do not recall, I ended with "The music is often highly romanticized and epic much as Norse folklore itself, and creates an atmosphere rich both in Germanic heroic and metal music tradition." --Eldvindr 02:48, 8 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Viking Metal is not Scandinavian Death Metal, as the redirection link claims.
Viking Metal is a sub-genre of Black Metal, and consists of mostly Black Metal bands such as Enslaved, Bathory, Mithotyn, Thyrfing, Kamfar, and so on.

Viking Metal is not a sub-genre period. If I wrote a black metal song about fairies and threw in some interesting techniques, would I have created the Fairy Metal subgenre?

Viking Metal is NOT a subgenre of Black Metal. It does in many cases share the musical characteristics of BM. Viking metal is however a term that describes the content of the music rather than the actual sound. There are a lot of Epic and Power Metal bands that could fall within this genre. Chelman 22:39, 26 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Anyway..check this piece of text out and lemme know what you think: http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1457768 Chelman 22:42, 26 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

That article is pretty good, I think it could be a worthy replacement article to the currently existing one (as you've said, it is fundamentally flawed), if it were expanded and written a bit more pricesely and professionally. --Eldvindr 19:46, 4 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Empyrium?!

I would never consider Empyrium anything to do with viking metal. Firstly they aren't from a viking country (being German), and while they do have the slightly blackish growls in places, two out of their four albums were entirely acoustic based.

from what i've long heard, in ancient times at least, the germans were culturally and religiously similiar to the vikings. Gringo300 02:06, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

It really doesn't matter what country the band comes from. It's the musical style that's important in determining what genre a band falls under. -D14BL0 04:31, 9 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Scandinavians are Northern Germanic, and the "Vikings" did in fact have a very similar mythology and culture to other Germanic peoples of the time. If you think Germans can't do 'Viking Metal', listen to Falkenbach. --Eldvindr 19:38, 4 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Reference?

Uhm, this writing [1] says

"The 'formal' origins of Viking Metal can be traced more or less to 1988 when the Swedish one man formation Bathory released their/his third album titled Blood, Fire, Death. Bathory i.e. Quorthon has incorporated mythical Norse and Germanic themes in both the artwork as well as the lyrics on the album. The music had a very epic and bombastic sound to it. Bathory has released two more albums which insipered the genre and garnered Quorthon a cult following: Hammerheart and Twilight of the Gods (which happens to be my personal favourite)."

Then we look at the current version here:

"The 'formal' origins of Viking Metal can be traced more or less to 1988 when the Swedish one man formation Bathory released their/his third album titled Hammerheart. Bathory i.e. Quorthon has incorporated mythical Norse and Germanic themes in both the artwork as well as the lyrics on the album. The music had a very epic and bombastic sound to it. Bathory has released two more albums which insipered the genre and garnered Quorthon a cult following: Hammerheart and Twilight of the Gods."

But maybe that writing copied WP? So I check this one older update from 2005 (the everything2 one is from 2003) [2] and there it hadn't been added.

The "Interesting records" was copied too... Geez. Except moving down the Falkenbach quote it copied the whole damn thing. {sjöar}

(cur) (last) 14:47, 28 October 2005 Chelman m (typo) 

(cur) (last) 14:46, 28 October 2005 Chelman (expanded on the hisotry and background)

Oh. Right. Heh. The everything2 writer. {sjöar}

Check the user name under which the E2 writeup was posted....i think you may find a striking resemblance to my current username here. ;) Chelman 08:56, 21 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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