Talk:Anti-Japanese sentiment

General Comments

Piccolo66.68.34.174 02:55, 2 May 2005 (UTC) \\this article was waaaaay more neutral than I expected it to be; but THis is actually a bad article. Whether to attribute it to bias or mere idiocy is just wrong, because Ive realized that wikipedia actually does do a pristine job with regard to the facts. SOme edits will take care of this though. It contains some common misconceptions, and uses the "high end" of statistics only with regards to how much damage japan did in WW2

I've glimpsed through the article. I don't really think it was biased one way or another. Sense this is such a emotional subject I hope people are careful of what they write.-Usni

Poo-T, are you sure about what you know about Korean history and the facts in the past? Do you think that you are unbiased to edit any articles relating to Korean history? I might see Japan the same way as you do about Korea. (a Korean student)

I know I'm not a God :P) Then, could you write the reason to write to the top of the talk, not related to the other discussions, without logging in, without a timestamp. And I'm not a God, so I can't understand what you want with me. If you want to change the text I wrote, please specify the part. Is this the page you want to change? What we can do is discuss with resources. As you know, there are many records about Korea in Japan, so discussing between Koreans and Japanese would make a better description. --Poo-T 6 Nov 2004

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Olivier, I deleted a part of writing about Korea, for it included personal opinions.Could you also point out which writings should be rewritten? You can help the cleaning up process with discussions.--Poo-T 11 Aug 2004

This article needs to have something way back, more comprehensive, like the 1895 war with Japan and World War II. Anti-Japanese sentiment wasnt a product of the 1990s economic gap. Wareware 08:33, 15 Aug 2004 (UTC)

That, of course goes in the history section, which is not written yet. Also, it isn't explicitly stated but the current "China" section does not refer to Republic of China, but instead to People's Republic of China. Thus it wouldn't make sense to include them under the "China" section. Revth 03:17, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC)

This piece is at most parts badly written, and its overall tone is racist. In my humble opinion, it should be deleted or fully rewritten.

Whenever anything about racism involving the Japanese is written, someone comes out claiming "racism" with no facts to back up their claims. Would you care to back them up with facts instead of "feeling" or maybe contribute about how the Japanese were discriminated against in your country? On the Asian Cup 2004, I have pictures, beside links already attached, that proves what I wrote. In fact, I have yet to write on many facts, like "A good Jap is a dead Jap" that an American general said, similar to "A good Indian is a dead Indian" or renaming of "Jap Street" in Texas. Revth 12:53, 18 Aug 2004 (UTC)

IMHO, it's too long, especially about history and Asian cup 2004. Asian cup is just a case, and it's difficult to allege 'A historical event is a reason of a emotion'. I'm going to modify the text. Poo-T 18 Aug 2004

Parts of "I am a Japanese" section are near incoherent. Should minor (and seemingly unsubstantiated) instances of vaguely anti-Japanese feelings be included? The general tone of that section, and to a lesser extent the entire article, is rather hostile. FriedBunny 10:17, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)

The author alleges that Jiang Zemin, Deng Xiaoping, Mao Zedong et al have slandered Japan and sought to improve their political standing by spreading anti-Japanese sentiment, without any scrap of proof. He seems convinced that they are trying to cover up their wrongdoings by demonizing the Jpanaese.

The article also lacks a consideration for the the hard facts of the matter; that Japan did behave in a barbaric matter, as the Nanjing Massacre, and the Three All Campaign (Kill All, Burn All, Destroy All) in the later part of the Sino-Japanese War, not to mention the biological warfare experiments (such as Unit 731) on Chinese POWs.

The author further alleges that a New York Times writer has spread inflammatory comments about Japan without even providing concrete evidence, or naming said writer.

If the author has evidence for the alleged denial of services to the Japanese National Team in the Asian Cup 2004, please post them. An external link or a (Credited) picture would be appreciated.

Finally, the author seems to think that every Chinese, every Korean of both factions, behave in an anti-Japanese manner. This is not true at all! Racism is not unversal; not all chinese or Koreans or Americans behave in this manner.

First of all, Mao Zedong nor Deng Xiaoping are not credited with using anti-Japanese sentiments. In fact, they are credited for not turning to anti-Japanese sentiments as an easy way out. Only Jiang Zemin is credited, but as his move to consolidate his power. You never even read the article.

Three All Campaign (三光作戦) is not a Japanese plan. It is Republic of China's plan against PRoC forces. Funny thing is, the Chnese character "光" has meaning "to completely" only in Chinese but it is used on a Japanese plan. In Japanese, by the way, this would be called "a war of extermination" (殲滅戦). Much like the Vietnam War, communist forces used small villages to base their operations unlike the RoC army that used cities as their bases. Increasingly becoming paranoid of inflitrations, RoC commenced Three All Campaign to try to destroy the support communist troops were getting. The biggest proof that this is not a Japanese plan is the claim of Nanjing Massacre itself. Was the city burned and destroyed like Warsaw Uprising or like even an average siege? No, only deaths are recorded and even those claim that massacre occured pointed out that people were marched out to an open ground before shot.

Unit 731 is in dispute, and that makes it a POV article. Also, even if it is true, the member of Unit 731 behaved barbaric and that does not mean Japan was barbaric. You can't claim that Japan was barbaric. Does the genocide of Jewish make German and Austrian as well as occupied area or even French barbaric? Does barbaric behaviors in battles on the Eastern front make German and Russian barbaric? Does the Italy's use of nerve gases against Ethiopian troops make them barbaric? Does the torture of Iraqi prisoner make American barbaric? Why does only against Japan does someone comes out saying "Japan is barbaric!"? This is precisely the anti-Japanese sentiment this article will and should address.

If you look at Unit 731, "In August 2002, the Tokyo District Court acknowledged the existence of Unit 731 and its biological warfare activities, but ruled that all compensation issues were settled by the Joint Communique of the Government of Japan and the Government of the People's Republic of China of September 29, 1972." So, if the source is trustworthy, the past existence of Unit 731 is no longer in disupte. But, in response to your question, what matters to me is that people apologize for their mistakes. Japan alone, of all the countries and their associated atrocities that you've listed, has remained silent about and even defensive of their past actions. Many people like me believe that Japan is practicing mainstream abuse of historical revisionism, and in all outward appearances Japan seems proud of its past "achievements." Has there been an investigation by the Japanese government into its past crimes? Has it every officially apologized for its history? Their mistakes? These are the things I would like to see before I ever look on Japan as a nation that regrets what it did. Japan never admitted its mistakes. In fact, the existence of such a thing like Yasukuni Shrine, where convicted, dead war criminals are enshrined, and the fact that the prime minister visits it to pay respect to those who have done the human race evil... It's an outrage: consider if Germany did that with Hitler, supposing that they found the body, or if Russia did that with Stalin. What is Japan's rationale for this stupendously, surrealistically bizarre tribute? -doesPHalt 12 Nov 2004

I have never heard about any apology by Western country for the colonization. Have you? Also let me add that I have never heard about an apology by Chinese government about its 1979 invasion on Vietnam, Sino-Vietnamese War.

This is a ridiculous comparison. Did the Chinese in the Sino-Vietnamese War commit such atrocities as the Japanese? Was the Chinese invasion nearly as nefarious as that of the Japanese? Didn't the Vietnamese invade and take over Cambodia before they were invaded by the Chinese? It is not nearly as clear whose fault it was in this war as in the Sino-Japanese wars. Regarding your statement about apologies by Western countries, I agree with you. Shouldn't the Western countries apologize? Spartan

The exact date is provided and one can look up when that was made for New York Times. I have no idea if this can't be enough informations. Did you just pick up bit and pieces and make a new conclusion?

[1] Here is the external link of the denial of service. For an obvious reason, I can't find any Chinese source, state-run news services rearely let any bad informations out. For an information, except for the match against Bahrain, no public display of anti-Japanese sentiments were in Chinese media. There is an inconclusive report that Chinese media erased booing soundtracks and replaced them with hand claps and cheers, I couldn't find any source on that so it's not written.

Your sentence doesn't make sense. If your are saying there are some racists in every culture, that's precisely the point. If you read Ethnocentrism, you should realize that "Racism has to be universal". For example, food customs can be different from one country to another. In Japan and China, one can hold a rice bowl in their hand while eating. In Korea, this is called "the eating habit of slaves" and a bad habit. When a Korean sees Chinese or Japanese holding a rice bowl, he cannot help sneer that these men are behaving like a slave. This is from an upbringing in Korean customs and he probably doesn't realize that his attitude is wrong. It is not his fault that he is behaving like a racist, but the fault of society that doesn't teach torelance. Revth 17:17, 28 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Excuse me for interrupting, but I do not understand why you think that Koreans "sneer" at Chinese and Japanese for eating from a hand-held rice bowl. I'm a Korean (or at least half-Korean), and I've seen a lot of East Asians eat like that, and not once did I have a negative impression about them. In fact, even Koreans, when in a hurry, eat rice while holding their bowl. What, is this another stereotype Japanese racists have created to humiliate their Koreans neighbors or this a random guess? In my personal opinion, it's probably both.

P.S. "It is not his fault that he is behaving like a racist, but the fault of society that doesn't teach torelance." Where do you get your obviously biased views? I'm sure the Japanese society is not one renowned for admission of guilt or telling the truth, as one can see when viewing a whitewashed Japanese history textbook.

Tolerance?!! The Japanese don't even know the meaning of that word. Look how many instances of ethnic discrimination occur when Japanese (and racist) employers decline to employ a naturalized citizen of foreign ethnicity. At least Korean employers hire naturalized citizens. Not only that, even prime ministers in Japan speak publicly about the "pureness" of their people and scorn etnic minorities. And now, they want to talk about "tolerance in other countries". Now, that's what I call BS. Leonhart

Are you absolutely certain that "prime ministers in Japan speak publicly about the "pureness" of their people and scorn etnic minorities"?

中華 (zhonghua) is just the name for China, coming from 中國 (lit: "middle country"), a long-used name for China and 華夏, the valley that Chinese civilization grew out of. I doubt that Chinese who say zhonghua really think that they're in the "center of the rich", anymore than any Japanese think that 日本 (Japan) is the source of the rising sun. Neither do Chinese think that Americans (美國) are all beautiful, or that English (英國) are all heroes. Sheesh! Bringing up the name of China has no relevancy to the discussion, nor does the name of China cause Chinese people to be racist. --Yuje 05:19, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Any mention of anti-Japanese sentiment in the US must include a mention (and a link) to the Attack on Pearl Harbor. Many people still hold this grudge, especially older people. --Feitclub 05:29, Sep 17, 2004 (UTC)

易性革命 does not mean that current government's need to mudsling past government in order to justify its existance. It means that when a government fails to play its role in the stability of the country, a new government is justified to wage a conflict and replace the previous government. It is a classic example of "官逼民反", as first witnessed in the Shang-Zhou dynasty change. Very different from what's said in the article, therefore I deleted it. Wareware 05:15, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Now this is getting really really stupid. Some of you people really over-emphasize japanese influence in Chinese politics. You wrote that Deng and company resorted to teaching the greatness of CCP and China and bashing Japan for their own political gain. Where on earth did you get that from? In fact, Deng did quite the opposite by abandoning socialism and moving towards capitalist reforms. And at no point did his government ever try to justify the killings in the Cultural Revolution by diverting it to japanese brutality. He even sort of denounced Mao by saying that it was a mistake that the Chinese people paid dearly for it. The movement of anti-japanese sentiment didnt begin in earnest until the late 70s to 80s when the issue of Daoyutai was brought to the spotlight and many Chinese (both taiwan ROC and china PRC) overseas engaged in passionate protests in "保釣運動". And why the hell would Jiang Zemin use this sentiment to consolidate his power? What's the connection and practical application of it? It seems that whoever wrote it just put down whatever spurious reason that came to his thick skull. The recent surge in anti-japanese sentiment is trigged not by the government's diversions or whatever, but by the nationalist feelings in many Chinese students. These students are different from the generation of the Tiannmen protests in that they are very natiionalistic and have confidence in their country. In the fifteen years after the protests, China grew politically and economically with stability and that provided the Chinese with a nationalistic feeling, that China is going to reclaim its status as a great regional power again, something that's eluded it for the past 150 years of war, foreign invasion and internal strife. That's where anti-japanese sentiments come from, not from government-directed pretexts for presumed internal weakness, but from a genuine sense of Chinese nationalism, stability, and bright prospects that the Chinese look forward to. This is why I deleted the whole dumbass and incoherent paragraph regarding the CCP's role in anti-japanese sentiment. The numbnut who wrote it really needs a reality check. Wareware 06:34, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)

It's almost a year since the above was written and Wareware (who sounds like a Japanese but is actually a Taiwanese -- ethnic Chinese, presumably -- studying in the US) deleted the entire section, unchallenged. . It's hard to see what basis he has for dismissing the claims above and deleting this material.

First, it is perfectly possible that China would resort to anti-Japanese sentiment in order to divert attention from problems at home, especially during a period of rapid economic development when all kinds of frustrations are going to emerge. Of course they are not going to say straight out, 'Look, don't bother about the killings in the Cultural Revolution, just look at Japanese brutality instead.' But the effect is the same.

The view of the development anti-Japanese sentiment expressed in the deleted section is widely believed in Japan. Whether you disagree with it or not, it should be noted. As it reads now, the whole issue of anti-Japanese sentiment reads like it is a 'natural outcome' of all the vicious things the Japanese did during the war. This is not the case. These young people are not fresh out of the Nanjing Massacre, they never experienced any brutality at the hands of the Japanese. They are fresh out of the highly biassed Chinese education system. There is a history of anti-Japanese sentiment, and how it has been manipulated, that needs to be addressed. Simply noting Japanese wartime atrocities 60 years ago is not enough.

This section is quite true: 'The recent surge in anti-japanese sentiment is trigged not by the government's diversions or whatever, but by the nationalist feelings in many Chinese students. These students are different from the generation of the Tiannmen protests in that they are very natiionalistic and have confidence in their country.' But the constant use of Japan as a whipping boy in the official view of modern Chinese history is naturally going to direct all this youthful nationalism at Japan.

Thanks to the accretions and excisions by people like Wareware the entire article reads like an explanation of why the Chinese have kept up their hatred, and why they have the right to keep on hating the Japanese. This is not much of an improvement on the hysterical original version that everyone complained about.

Bathrobe 25 August 2005

I wrote a major revision on the US section because the previous version is just too damn stupid and uninformative. None of the examples fit with so-called anti-Japanese sentiment, because these things can be said just about any country and there's no specific evidence that it's "anti-Japan." They are more or less focused on the reporter's ignorance instead of observations of a national trend. They add nothing to the article and just look like a bunch of random ramblings by somebody who just scour the net to find whatever article as remotely related as possible. That's why I did a major revision focusing on the cause, rogression, and concrete examples that are definitely anti-Japanese, instead of lousy stuff that's patched up to fill up space. I think we should restructure the article into the history and examples for each particular country (certainly China and the US have their own reasons) instead of skimming the root causes and then coming up with spurious and random incidences and pointing the blame on victim countries. . Wareware 08:50, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC)

In the US artictle the writer mentions outsourcing. Outsourcing is when a business process (tire and wheel assembly) is moved to a company outside of the parent coporation (could be a foreign company or not). In the 80s companys were moving entire factiories over seas but they were still owned by the same coorporation. This is not outsourcing. --Mitrebox 07:45, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

This article really doesn't look particularly biased to me. I won't remove the 'disputed neutrality' box, since I haven't made any major changes, but I think I might come back and get rid of that soon. I realize it's a rather emotional topic, but this article seems to have been handled rather well. LordAmeth 17:25, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

The textbooks

I think we really need a new article explaining the Japanese textbooks controversy. I'm surprised that such an article doesn't already exist. It's a major bone of contention between Japan, China, and Korea, and one of the major reasons for the bad relations between the countries, and it comes up year after year, and it's appeared again in the news recently. --Yuje 11:01, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

sure if you wanna write something about that. dunt know much about that, since we dont have much info here. --User:Yacht (talk) 05:32, Apr 12, 2005 (UTC)

EVen that article isnt perfect; or instance, 300,000 is the statistic touted by the CCP; everywhere else the estimate is a low of 40,000 and a hight of 200,000 (statistics in the china was are very imprecise). I know statistics are never accurate but communist sympathizers can get a lot done by "trimming" every here and there. Yeah, i guess more anti-communist bias from me, but my bias is at least based on fact.

You may want to read Holocaust denial SYSS Mouse 16:30, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Japanese Textbook Treatment of the Nanking Massacre[2]Skyfiler 20:07, Apr 17, 2005 (UTC)

suggestions to this article

About the Asian Cup 2004 Final, this article only mentioned the "mbassador's car was severely damaged", but does not have a word about he cause, which is the Japanese team scored a goal in the match by hand!

+This article appears to me to be rather disparate, badly constructed and totally unquotable (mostly due to its lack of competent editorship). But I find little that suggests anything blatantly biased or uninformed. As someone had said in the above section, it would really be desirable if some international body would intervene, just to clarify the facts from the disputed facts. Anyway, from my own experience, --although I have no academic experience in Japan-- it has been difficult to acquire reliable sources in the Japanese language (the reasons for this is complex and not entirely out of convenience for the right-wing, atrocity-denying faction of the Japanese--which has always been minute). However, the task is not made a whole lot easier by searching in the English language either.

It would be ideal for the integrity of the article to focus primarily on the anti-Japanese sentiments and their "reasons," rather than anything claiming that the Japanese (government) had done this and that to "compensate," as such; I think moving that to a new article dealing with the post-war Japanese acts regarding wartime atrocities, would be most beneficial. (or even included in the history of modern Japan) I think the move to post a new article concerning the problematic Japanese textbooks has been entirely successful.

All in all, this is an article of acceptable neutrality. But it is in dire need of some definitive editorship. RuiInaba 14:09, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

+Would it also be informative to include here, the incarceration and stripping of property of ethnic Japanese' during the war in North America? RuiInaba 14:15, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

I think including info on anti-Japanese sentiment in the US during WWII would be great. I don't have much to contribute, though... LordAmeth 22:39, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

I have partly rewritten the section on anti-Japanese sentiment in China. I do not regard this as a perfect edit and people should feel free to rewrite it. I will be frank and admit that it does not make any appeal to objective sources. The main focus of changes is:

• To cut out some of the detailed enumerations of Japanese atrocities in WWII. These atrocities should be covered in articles specifically devoted to them; we don't need the full litany repeated here. (Rehashing them here is more an expression of anti-Japanese sentiment than an explanation of why such sentiment exists.) I also cut out some of the rather clumsy and obvious counter-arguments inserted by Japanese contributors.

• To remedy in a very small way the charge that the article is 'rather disparate, badly constructed and totally unquotable', I've inserted a few sentences on Japanese apologies, Yasukuni, textbooks, etc. The emphasis is on how Japan is perceived by the Chinese. I've also added a note on Japanese ODA and why it doesn't seem to have helped calm down anti-Japanese sentiment. This section is probably more impressionistic than it should be, although I've tried to be reasonably even-handed. If someone can do a better job (or create a totally new entry dealing with issues in detail), please feel free to go ahead!

• I've slightly rewritten the section on anti-Japanese demonstrations. I do not regard these riots as having 'broken out'. They were organized by certain elements; I personally received SMs calling for participation in the demonstrations. The government appears to have initially condoned the demonstations before eventually coming out and directing the populace not to hold any more. Writing a full account of these demonstrations requires a lot more access to and appraisal of information from many sources.

Bathrobe 10 August 2005

Boxers

Should something be said about the Chinese Boxer rebellion? They were anti-foreigners, including Japan. Weren't they? --Error 00:43, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Were the Boxers "invaders" or anything that can be compared to the Japanese imperialists? Though I understand that Boxers may fit into the context of the topics regarding "anti-[some particular people]", but we must keep in mind that western imperialists, including the Japanese, had already invaded China and took over large parts of it BEFORE the Boxer rebellion. Spartan

Politics

I have added a section on the political manipulation of anti-Japanese sentiment. I have done so because there is a need to address the common perception that everything that happens in China is orchestrated by that 'Commie dictatorship', which is surprisingly prevalent in some parts of the West. This section should be regarded as a draft. I have been unable to avoid being 'weaselly'. If you disagree with it or feel that what is said does not have sufficient basis, please edit accordingly.

Bathrobe 05:58, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

Incorrect statement about the Netherlands

The following statement is incorrect. I will remove it within one week unless somebody provides references for it.

"In Europe, some people in countries like United Kingdom and Netherlands express anti-Japanese sentiment as a result of the Europeans powers' loss of their Asian colonies, following World War II."

The Dutch generally did not blame the Japanese for their loss of colonies but they blamed the Indonesians "insurgents" like Sukarno who collaborated with the Japanese, in a similar vein as the Dutch traitors who colloborated with the Germans during the Nazi occupation of the Netherlands.

There was/is anti-Japanese sentiment in the Netherlands for two different reasons

1. due to Japanese competition in the 1980s, very similar to the anti-Japanese sentiment in the USA e.g. competion of Philips electronics
2. treatment of the Dutch people in camps during WWII by the Japanese.

Andries 14:26, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

Then we should change it and mention that Dutch anti-Japanese sentiments are for the reasons you stated above.
-- Миборовский ^U|T|C|E 21:45, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

I have references for the protests against the visit of the Japanes emporer in the Netherlands national quality newspaper by those elderly people in the NRC Handelsblad but unfortunately in Dutch language. [3] Some of these people complain that they were treated by the Japanese as if they were ......Indonesians! Andries 22:03, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

Unknown Kanji.

I was curious what 續日本紀 reads as. It's certainly not Kojiki or Nihonshoki, and I cannot seem to find any English-language sites that refer to it, or even Japanese sites that give the yomikata. I think it would be nice, if we're going to include kanji in the article, to include the pronunciation as well. Besides, if it were, for example, Kojiki, it would be much more useful to simply write "Kojiki" than "Chonicle of Japan" or "Chronicle of Ancient Matters", don't you think? Thanks. LordAmeth 11:59, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

It reads Shoku Nihongi, but this is written in its Kyūjitai form. In Shinjitai it would be 続日本紀.--Ryoske 05:10, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Sinocentrism

As a Sinologist, I find the "sinocentric" theory to be an excellent example of bad scholarship. I admit it's probably a theory that some subscribe to, but it's worth adding in the reasons why it's such a bad mischaracterization of China during the medieval times. The current section almost makes it sound like this laughable concept actually has some truth to it, which is very far from reality. Xuanwu 04:47, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Some time ago I made some changes to the Sinocentrism section as rewritten by Xuanwu. The reason was that the section had turned into a detailed presentation and refutation of Sinocentrism, almost like a mini-debate. This is not the place to do this. All that is needed is to note that some Japanese regard Chinese anti-Japanese sentiment as a reflection of Sinocentrism.

There is actually a Wikipedia article on Sinocentrism, although it is still far from satisfactory. I moved the detailed refutations of Sinocentrism to the Sinocentrism article itself as they seem to belong there, not in the article on anti-Japanese sentiment. (Personally I don't feel that the points made are very effective because it is possible to be Sinocentric, or Eurocentric, or U.S.-centric, while giving credit to others for having attained your level, as it were).

I've also played down the point, made several times in the rewrite, that Sinocentrism as a concept is suspect. It needs to be made only once. The section detailing Japan's debt to China is also rather long and appears to have been inserted in an attempt to show that Sinocentric thought is not simply an unfounded and arrogant mindset (as the original section seemed to imply) but actually reflects the realities of historical cultural interchange in East Asia.

I made these changes without comment because I felt that they didn't detract from the point that was being made in the context of the article. Just in case someone has the wrong idea, I am not pushing POV here. On the contrary, the problem seems to be that one POV struggling against another results not in NPOV, but in a sprawling article that lurches from side to side.

Bathrobe 01:48, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

April 9 Chinese protests photo

Does anyone know why the photo was taken down of the Chinese protests last spring? And can we find another suitable one? Those riots were probably the most major anti-Japanese event in the last few decades... LordAmeth 12:58, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

According to the deletion log, it was deleted because of it was unsourced. If we can find a sourced (and it should be fair use) we can put it back up. -- Миборовский ^{U|T|C|E|Chugoku Banzai!} 23:18, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

A quick Google Image source brings up plenty. I am not 100% positive on the copyright status of photos from online news sites, but I would hope that, as they are photos of real-life events, and not works of creativity (i.e. art, literature) on the part of the photographer, they ought to be public domain, or at least fair use. I'll re-add one of them; the other is called Image:JapaneseFlagBurningChina-040305.jpg. Let me know what you think; or feel free to go Google searching and pick something else. LordAmeth 23:39, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

I think photographers still have the copyright for photographs for 50 years. Says so on the commons PD-China tag. Also, Epochtimes isn't the most objective or reliable source, so it'd be best to confirm that the photo can be found at another source in addition to that. -- Миборовский ^{U|T|C|E|Chugoku Banzai!} 00:07, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

I don't think it needs to be a reliable source in this case. They're reliable enough to be trusted that the events depicted in their photos actually took place as depicted. Their text on the other hand, I agree, can be rather one-sided, and just generally poorly written.

That is true. However it still would be best if we can verify the picture with another source. I'll try. -- Миборовский ^{U|T|C|E|Chugoku Banzai!} 23:54, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

I remember there's ANOTHER photo. Care to dig it out from the history? -- Миборовский ^{U|T|C|E|Chugoku Banzai!} 07:19, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

I'm not sure it's possible to recover pics that have been deleted. When I go through the history of this page, all I get is a broken Image link. LordAmeth 12:04, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Pictures certainly can be restored, only problem is that the restored photo will still not have a source and would still have to be deleted. I don't think it is appropriate to restor uploaded media purely for the sake of identification... The image I'm talking about is Image:April 9 Beijing.jpg, try and see if you can find one with the same name. -- Миборовский ^{U|T|C|E|Chugoku Banzai!} 23:54, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Japan Bashing

There is no Wikipedia article on Japan Bashing. There isn't even a reference to it in this article.--Sir Edgar 04:22, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

I'm afraid I don't know what you're making reference to. Is there something specific you mean by the term "Japan bashing"? This entire article is about that, although admittedly on a more political-cultural level. It leaves out almost entirely references to casual jokes and the like, if that's the sort of thing you're referring to; LordAmeth 04:41, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

How about an "Anti-Japanese sentiments online" subsection? -- Миборовский ^{U|T|C|M|E|Chugoku Banzai!} 04:52, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

"Japan-bashing" was a term coined by a paid Washington lobbyist for the Japanese government named Robert Angel. It was popular during the 80's when there was rising criticism of Japan's protectionist trade policies and takeover of American businesses and real estate.

While working at the Japan Economic Institute, Angel coined the term "Japan-bashing" as a way to stifle debate, even legitimate debate, on relations with Japan. Here is the text from: http://archives.cjr.org/year/92/6/trade.asp

Angel, who is now a political scientist at the University of South Carolina, wanted to counter the mounting public criticism of Japan's trade policies. "I looked around for a phrase to use to discredit Japan's critics, and I hoped to beable to discredit those most effective critics by lumping them together with the people who weren't informed and who as critics were an embarrassment to everybody else," Angel says.

Angel's goal was to discredit opposition to Japan's trade practices by insinuating that it was based on racism and xenophobia. His model was the pro-Israel lobby's use of the term anti-Semitism to stigmatize opponents of Israel's policies. he first tried out the term "anti-Japanism" in speeches and interviews but it didn't stick. Then, inspired by the British term "Paki-bashing," he tried "Japan bashing" -- and it worked. "The first people to pick up on it were the Japanese press," Angel says. "However, within a year the American press began to use the term." The term became a weapon in the public relations war being waged in Washington over trade policy and U.S.-Japanese economic relations.

Angel is now embarrassed by his triumph. "I view that modest public relations success with some shame and disappointment," he says. "Those people who use [the term] have the distinction of being my intellectual dupes."

I will go ahead and create an article. --Sir Edgar 23:42, 12 January 2006 (UTC)