Talk:Motion of no confidence

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Oops, did I move this article without fixing double redirects? Sorry. I meant to move it to "Motion of no confidence", since it's not a proper noun. I'll do that now, and ensure I get all the redirects. —Michael Z. 06:52, 2004 Nov 10 (UTC)

Although 'supply bill' doesn't exist on Wikipedia, it looks like the concept is covered. So should this link to Money bill or Loss of Supply? -PaulGregory 16:15, 1 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Why Mp prefer to have motion of no confidence

why Mp of parliament would prefer to have motion of no confidence when thsi may not work and if PM give out the general election, Mp may loss their seat in the House of Commons.

Too true, too true.-Ashley Pomeroy 09:50, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
My interpretation: "Why would an MP vote for a no confidence motion, when in an election that MP could well lose their seat?"
My answer: The MP would vote in favour if they thought that their party would increase its number of seats This would lead to more clout in parliament. -Joshuapaquin 05:58, Apr 18, 2005 (UTC)

Paul Martin

Paul Martin has lost a vote of no confidence, so i added him to the list of Prime Ministers who have lost motions of no confidence. http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20050511/wl_canada_afp/canadapoliticsvote_050511001051

This has not been considered a formal motion of no confidence, and Paul Martin's Liberals have not been "defeated" by it (yet, at least). His government remains in power, so let's keep his name of the list until the Governor General dissolves parliament.
It doesn't matter if the GG has called the election yet. Little Pauly has NO CHOICE but to dissolve parliament. Waiting to put it on is just stupid Wikipedia beauracracy...Survey says Pauly goes bye byes. His government has been defeated by a no confidence motion, the Governor-General will dissolve Parliament, and there will be an election. A defeat is a defeat, no point pussyfooting around.Rgenung 05:28, 29 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
A motion of confidence, or lack thereof is an act of the legislature, not the executive. It is irrelevant what the Prime Minister personally does and when he does it to the fact that the Parliament no longer has confidence in him. Xtra 05:43, 29 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]


The government was defeated in the House of Commons on a motion of no confidence so the defeat has occured. Whether or not parliament is dissolved etc is a matter for the Governor General but that doesn't change the fact that the government has been defeated. The terminology is correct. Homey 05:45, 29 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Star Wars (and possibly other fiction)

  • I have just moved Valorum from Star Wars into a seperate list at the bottom of the article for fictional politicians. Question is, should fictional politics and politicians be on here at all? Valorum has been added and then removed at least once before according to the history. - Lucky13pjn 22:52, May 16, 2005 (UTC)
  • This has no business in this article -- it's an obvious self-indulgence on the part of a Star Wars fan, and it's unencyclopedic. Rhombus 23:51 17 October 2024
  • I don't think there'd be anything wrong with having something about no confidence motions in fiction, but we'll need to have more examples than just Star Wars, and I can't think of any of the top of my head. Ddye 15:15, 20 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • It sounds a bit stupid to me, I think it should be removed... 213.140.21.231 10:30, 25 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • I like it. Episode I was the first thing I thought of when I saw this artcle linked on the main page, and I only clicked on it to see if it had a section on fictional occurences. Of course it'd be nice to have other examples, but you may find Lucas to be the only widely known writer willing to use such a boring political maneuver to advance a plot. ^_~ AndromedaRoach 19:35, 25 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. HistoryBA 23:56, 25 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • I would say I am both for and against, with a little bias for for. I think wikipedia should be open to every input that promotes understanding of a concept and when said concept occurs in pop culture I think it should be used. The reason I am against is because the vote in Star Wars might not be entirely acurate to how it works in the real world, but if the entry has a disclaimer stating the differences I see nothing wrong in having it in this article. If anything, it gives people with a less historical approach a way to get an "okay example".

Cion 20:33, 27 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • In many other respected wikipedia articles there are refernces to the subject in pop culture. If we could find some other examples that we could add to the list I would be all for putting it in there.

--kralahome 04:25, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • Well, though I find it fairly amusing, and while I think that it might help the occasional user understand the real article by manner of comparison, I'm not sure if we should be throwing random references into serious articles. I'm not going to add some aliens from Star Trek into the leprosy article.

--Pastor of Muppets 00:45, 29 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]


  • I could tolerate an external link, or even a link to a new, separate article on "Fictional parliaments" but I think including Star Wars in a serious article on parliamentary procedure trivializes the rest of the article and hurts the article's credibility as a source. Homey 16:29, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • "This has no business in this article -- it's an obvious self-indulgence on the part of a Star Wars fan, and it's unencyclopedic." If I was a "Star Wars fan" perhaps you would be correct, but I added it since many serious historical categories have fictional counterparts thrown in. See famous last words, or D-Day with its list of fictional portrayals of the Normandy landings. I would recommend leaving the reference up and seeing if others can find other fictional occurences. If not, yank it. It's a bonafide fictional reference though. Michael Dorosh 04:52, 31 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Pompidou

I can't find any references to Georges Pompidou losing a motion of no confidence. In fact it looks like he was fired by Charles de Gaulle. Can anyone find anything that says otherwise? (post made by User:Stereo)

Actually, it was the other way around. Pompidou lost a confidence vote but de Gaulle refused to accept his resignation and reappointed him:

"1962 was marked by the reform of the election of the president of the republic. The choice of direct universal suffrage and above all the use of a referendum to have this constitutional modification approved led to a vote of no-confidence and to the downfall of the first Pompidou government. General de Gaulle reappointed him at once as he did following his election in the presidentials of 1965."[1]

"5 October Vote of no-confidence topples the government. General de Gaulle refuses the resignation of Georges Pompidou."[2]

Homey 02:47, 31 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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