Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Matthew 2:21

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Matthew 2:21

n.n. Bible cruft. Content is

  • 1 sentence overview of previous chapters
  • a pretty picture that isn't specifically tied to this verse
  • 2 translations of the verse,
  • A statement that the verse is almost an exact copy of the previous one - Matthew 2:20, which, b.t.w. also has an article (Matthew 2:20), though if they are so similar I really don't see why they deserve an article each

The verse is "And he arose, and took the young child and his mother, and came into the land of Israel". I really don't see how this constitutes notability.

  • Delete --User talk:FDuffy 14:40, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete and I just discovered that articles have been created of many individual verses from Matthew (and perhaps other books of the Bible?) I think that only whole books and significant Bible topics should be treated in separate articles. For example, this article could be merged into Birth and Childhood of Jesus or something like that. Logophile 14:44, 4 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy keep this is part of a large ongoing project, there have so far been seven separate VfDs on this issue, six ended as keep and one that ended with no consensus:
There have also been two lengthy centralized discussions, one at Wikipedia:Merge/Bible verses and one at Wikipedia:Bible verses. Rather than VfDing individual verses in isolation, any discussion should be brought to those pages. - SimonP 14:40, 4 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
This is just a red herring. Those votes ended without consensus. They discussed too many articles at once. You appear to be the creator of those articles, so I can see why you think they should stay. Can you justify why this particular article constitutes a noteworthy encyclopedic entry? --User talk:FDuffy 14:53, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
We don't delete stubs, especially when they can be expanded. A vast, and almost incomprehensible, amount of scholarly material has been written on the Bible. For the 7,957 verses of the New Testament alone there are some 1500 journal articles and 700 books of Biblical criticism written each year. In various forms Biblical criticism has been going on for almost 2000 years. I only used about a dozen sources in my work, as other readers consult other works much more will be added to each article. - SimonP 15:29, 4 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Could you please explain how, if, as the article states, Matthew 2:21 is almost identical to Matthew 2:20, they deserve seperate articles, when they are clearly connected and say almost the same thing? --User talk:FDuffy 15:52, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
That sounds more like an argument for merging than deletin. I do now merge some pairs that are very closely linked, such as Matthew 5:23-4, and perhaps this one would be better with that format. - SimonP 16:05, 4 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, should have elabourated. User:-Ril- crusaded against Bible verses for months - all were kept, finally, he launched a poll see Wikipedia:Bible verses, which colcluded with a consenus that 'notable Bible verses' deserve articles. So unless someone want to argue that this one is 'not notable' - and I'd be willing to have that debate. --Doc ask? 00:01, 5 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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