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Has there been some sort of conensus to create this project. I notice that Template:WPEIC-cat indicates a variety of categories are now "maintained" by this project. It doesn't simply suggest talking about changes here, it indicates the category is actually maintained by this project. Perhaps I missed some discussion. Anyway, please point me to it, or I feel the template should be removed or reworded. --rob 11:35, 24 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I am certainly open to it being reworded, what do you have in mind? --File:Ottawa flag.png Spinboy No ads on Wikipedia. 16:31, 24 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I went ahead and changed Template:WPEIC-cat to be somewhat softer, take a look. Although, I'm not sure if the wording is good enough. I don't understand the the reason for adding the template, at this stage, especially with a red-link for "proposals". I've gone ahead in the past, and made sub-categories within these "maintained/related" categories, and will do so again without "checking in", since there's nothing here (yet) to check with. Also, one needn't make a "proposal" if doing something obvious like Category:Elementary schools in Province/Territory given there are only five sub-cats of Category:Elementary schools in Canada currently. Making such sub-cats when the article member of each one is created (no sooner or later), would be the best approach. Suggesting some standardized rules for categories is probably a good idea, but where obvious patterns exist, this project should just document what they are, and welcome people to go ahead and make them. --rob 19:35, 24 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

City level categories versus province level

I think it might be good to discuss the idea we should discourage making new city level categories for schools, or if made, they should be additional, not replacement categories (two cats for same school). I see a problem, since the city placement is not obvious. Categories, even large ones, can easily be searched alphabetically, and large size isn't a problem, except maybe in an extreme case like Toronto and Ontario maybe.

As an example, I would want to discourage somebody from ever making "Category:Schools in Calgary" (even if there were ever lots of articles there). The main Calgary boards Calgary Board of Education and Calgary Catholic School District have different boundries, despite their names. A public school in Chestermere, Alberta is outside Calgary Board of Education, but a Catholic school is within Calgary Catholic School District. People almost always know the province, and type of school (elem/middle/high), but often don't know what city it would be classified under. Also, it's not clear if one is referring to the city-proper or the metro-area. I'm only talking about new sub-cats, and have no desire to touch existing ones.

Thoughts? --rob 22:57, 25 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

CanEd template

The project page link redirects to Wikipedia:WikiProject Airlines - that's kind of screwy....I'm assuming that Airlines is supposed to be changed to the appropriate school name (?), but that doesn't appear to be the case at at least one university page I visited (University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada). Could someone offer some clarification?DonaNobisPacem 23:40, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I made this fix. Let me know if there's still any error. Thanks. --Rob 00:20, 18 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Marvelous! Might be interested in joining the project, but all bets are off 'till after Christmas - speaking of which, have a good one!DonaNobisPacem 22:44, 19 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Info box

Regarding recent changes to the info box:

  • The color is not imporant, so if others wish a new color scheme, that's fine. The new color scheme probably looks nicer anyhow.
  • Some of the fields seem overly specific to certain areas, such as school number.
  • Including some fields like Vice-Prinicpal is getting in overly detailed, as a school may have multiple ones.
  • The "Operated by" field, which normally is a school district, is probably one of the most important piece of data, and I don't see why it was removed. One purpose of the "Operated by" field, is people can follow the link, and read district info there, intsead of at the school. For instance, in many districts the same Superindtendent applies to the entire district, and there's no need to repeat it. --Rob 16:52, 24 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, take a look at the one I am working on Featherston Drive Public School it is a work-in-process but should help us to create a template that would be best. We want to get the best one started early, so we don't have to make amendments later. Battlefield 22:20, 24 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I modified the table, it now has a box for the school address and phone numbers and the colour scheme seems to be more palatable. Again see Featherston Drive Public School for a working example. Battlefield 17:01, 25 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
What about an "Operated By" field for a school district, foundation, corporation, or charter board
I think that "School Board" would be a better term Battlefield 18:08, 25 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
You can use school board for some schools, but not all. Often school's aren't run by boards. For instance, a church (or some part of it) may run one or more schools. Or in places without school districts and boards, the school could be directly run by some other governmental juridiction, such as a municipality, province, state, or even by a national education ministry (for very small countries). Various charitable foundations, and private for-profit corporations run schools. Plus, "school board" has different meanings, "school district" and "the board that runs a specific school". I'm fine if you use the word "School board", but just realize its not standard. "Operated by" is more generic, but there are admittedly problems with being so generic. --Rob 19:36, 25 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Added: By convention when giving labels, we capitalize only the first word in a multi-word label (article title, section name, info box heading), unless it's a proper noun. --Rob 03:05, 26 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I'd like to help. I'm new to wikipedia but i'm a teacher. I hope this was the right place to edit to say i want to help! JamieJones 04:05, 26 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Why do we have three different templates for schools ? Wouldn't one be better ? Battlefield 13:38, 26 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

French language categories

I propose Category:French schools in Ottawa become Category:French language schools in Ottawa, like Category:French language schools in Ontario and Category:French language schools in Alberta. I think it's clearer, and a better standard that can be extended globally (where "nation" vs "language" is an issue). As a comparison, a Canadian owned Francophone company operating in Ottawa wouldn't go in Category:French companies in Ottawa, but would go in Category:French language companies in Ottawa. I would have used the word "Francophone" but I didn't only because not everybody is familiar with it. But, if people decide the word "language" is redundant, than I suggest renaming the other categories to remove it. --Rob 14:37, 26 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

ps. Somebody knowing more than I might know if there's even enough French language schools in Ottawa to warrant a separate sub-category. Burying articles in these subcats may give them less attention. --Rob 14:38, 26 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
A better option would be to shorten the other categories ex. Category:French schools in Alberta the "language" portion is not needed Battlefield 16:10, 26 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
A reason I like the the word "language" in there, is there are cases of a nation's schools in another nation. There are "American schools in Japan" which are on Army bases. There are can be "French schools in CountryX" in the both the national and linguistic sense of the words (e.g. a school for French embassy staff in a foreign country). Specifying "language" makes clear how you're using the word. In Alberta or Ontario, when I hear the term "French school", I think of a school actually run by the French community (e.g. a Francophone school board). I don't think of a French immersion school run by the English school board. But, it's not a huge deal, so how's this as a compromise: If you agree to change every article/sub-cat that's under Category:French language schools in Canada outside Quebec to drop the word "language" and WP:CFD the orphan cats, I'll accept it. --Rob 01:22, 27 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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