Talk:Border Collie
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I took this out "They have the appearance of a Golden Retriever and Shepherd Dog mix." I can't see how it helps the article - I tried to imagine the dog described and could not (what's a shepherd dog?) and on the other hand there is a photo just inches away, which renders the description redundant, unlike in the other article which had no photo. I hope this does not cause offence to the author of that sentence. Nevilley 07:29 16 May 2003 (UTC)
I am sure Sannse is right about Lassie. Well, I don't actually know what a rough collie is, but I do agree that Lassie was certainly not a border collie - she was the pointy-nosed thing that lots of people just call "collie" and not the black+white thing you shout "away to me" and "come by" at on One Man And His Dog. :) Nevilley 00:15 17 May 2003 (UTC)
POV material about BCs as working dogs
Border collies *can* do well in the breed ring and also still have the energy and drive and intelligence of a working dog; I see them occasionally. It is *not* true that BCs make awful pets, also *not* true that the only reason to own or breed BCs is for working stock. I have adjusted the text to better reflect what I know about BCs (being around a lot of them all the time for many years). I have many friends with BCs who excel at dog agility, many of them coming from "working lines" (which is also coming to mean BCs who aren't just pets or beauty queens but don't necessarily ever work stock), and all of them are pets and companions as well. Elf | Talk 23:16, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- Nice work on neutralising there Elf. I agree with all you say here. -- sannse (talk) 18:56, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Coat varieties
someone just added that there are 3 coat varieties of BCs. I'm not familiar with such. The only short-haired variety I'm familiar with is the McNab. Elf | Talk 06:12, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- The UKC recognizes "varied lengths" for coats. AKC recognizes two, rough (med. coat) and smooth (short coat; may havae slight feathering), both with dense waterproof undercoats. ANKC says double coated with moderately long topcoat. All say BCs must be double-coated with short, sense waterproof undercoat. In practice, I've only seen med to long coats. Quill 11:26, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)
weight
i came to this article expecting to see what a border collie weighs. similar information is found on the cocker spaniel and labrador page immediately. Can someone familiar with the breed add that? SchmuckyTheCat 20:18, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- [Quill shrugs] Not really. The ANKC breed standard (originating country) does not specify a weight. These are working dogs; the only specification is that they should not be 'overweight'. The USBCC says there is no standard, they are 'in general' a medium sized dog, 25-55 pounds--take your pick....
- Quill 23:07, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Clancy the croc
"Clancy 'the Croc'. Grand-daughter of famous Australian TV Border Collie (Pal Ad). Begun her career with a short and largely unsuccessful stint as a showdog, before being forced to exit on grounds of a controversially 'square behind' "
Does this dog actually have any significance? From what I know a dog does not gain recognition by simply being a show dog or even a relative to a more famous dog!
Im a bit weary about removing it myself in case it does deserve placement here.but a google search revealed nothing so i have my doubts! Tekana (O.o) Talk 18:26, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
- Agreed. Even if bona fide, this does not a famous dog make. Quill 22:20, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
- Agreed. Elf | Talk 22:31, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
- Note that I tried to find info on this dog on the web also. This dog doesn't appear to be famous or even notable. Elf | Talk 16:32, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
Just the facts, Ma'am, just the facts
Am I way off base, or is the black-and-white far and away the most common colour? Nothing against tris, which I happen to like. And how many links to clubs and forums do we need? WP is not a link repository, people keep telling me. We could use some cleanup. Quill 02:05, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
- Huh, I have no idea how to pare down the links. I don't really have a good idea which of all the registries are the key ones, but there are most assuredly 2 or 3 in the U.S. at least. Oh, yeah, and tris are OK, but blue merles take the cake. ;-) I was at an agility trial a couple of months ago where a competitor asked me what breed my dog was, and I said BC, and they said they'd never seen or heard of a blue merle BC before--they were surprised when I was able to turn around and point out some others and name several additional ones in the area. Apparently they had never realized that they were BCs because they were blue merle & not B&W. I wonder how much that lack of knowledge or familiarity shapes "the common perception"? Elf | Talk 03:25, 16 December 2005 (UTC)