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This article was made by combining the old Nitrite inhalants article with this one. This was done because "Alkyl nitrites" fits the Wikipedia on Drugs requirements a heck of a lot better. Alkyl nitrites are a class of drugs, and thus deserve all the basic encyclopedic attention that the other classes require. For this reason, Alkyl nitrites suits all of this much better.
By the way, if anyone has information on other Alkyl nitrites (just a name for one will work), then create an article for it, add the name for it to this article in the "See Also" section, and add it to the Alkyl nitrites template. That way the ring can be kept complete.
--Ddhix 2002 23:21, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Neutrality ?
Is this article neutral ? I must say I do not know a lot about poppers, but this article looks really "poppers-friendly". Who said they improved orgasms so much ? The only source given for that is www.allaboutpoppers.com and it looks biased. Do we have other sources out there ?
I believe this article is neutral, though it may contain some very minor gaps. There really is no information showing that alkyl nitrites improve orgasms. I left that one line there only because it is possible that they do, but then again it is possible that they don't. I'm just waiting for someone with real data to say something about it.
I don't see how this article is 'poppers-friendly,' honestly. There is a health hazzards section in the article.
Don't get me wrong; I created the article (and the ring) with the best intentions. I used the information that was already on Wikipedia, and added some more. It really needs some editing, nonetheless.
--Ddhix 2002 20:10, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
take it from one who has used poppers for years. they absolutely improve orgasm -- except in cases where too much is inhaled.
WTF does this part mean: "The drugs are less common today than before 9/11". WTF has 9/11 got to do with Alkyl nitrites?
WTF does this part mean: "The drugs are less common today than before 9/11". WTF has 9/11 got to do with Alkyl nitrites?
I removed that a while back. I don't see how 9/11 would affect popper use. And if it somehow did, I'd like to see a cite.
-- Who added this? Obviously the idiot needs to be edited and corrected at every turn if he is cognitively incapabale of following the more than simple logic required to think such a benign thought through on a thorough level.
Glad it was removed, it is just absolutely ignorant to the practicality of any encyclopedia.
--Ddhix 2002 03:56, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
"POPPERS", alkyl nitrites, etc
I was directed to this subject in Wikipedia by someone who had noticed a number of inaccuracies in what has been posted here under "alkyl nitrites", which appears to be a re-directed from the subject of "poppers".
With all due respect, I'd like to help correct the inaccuracies if I may be allowed to.
How do I go about it?
Kind regards,
Respectfully Allabout2006
- You are actually welcome to make the changes yourself, as long as you stay within the style that has been used for the rest of the article. I'll drop the official welcome message off at your user talk page: that gives lots of great links for how to get started. -- Francs2000
02:09, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
The misinformation was on the other part: For decades, gay magazines have been glorifying Poppers and suppressing information on its deathly long-term effects, because they depended on Poppers manufacturers to place ads in their papers. For details, please read The Poppers story.
It's big business and there is a lot of money in it, just like in other drug industries, see Ecstasy (drug), which is also commonly belittled.
With all due respect, would whomever posted the comments claiming the gay press has been "glorifying Poppers", etc, please identify themselves and their connection to this subject? Wikipedia is supposed to be neutral. It is supposed to also contain accurate and timely information for the use of others. I believe we fail to adhere to those requirements when we make biased comments, which are not supported by fact.
Respectfully, Allabout2006 17:48, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
The connection of user Allabout2006 "to the subject" is all too obvious: He tries to abuse Wikipedia for advertising this dangerous drug. The long-term effects of Poppers are well described on the following pages:
Dear sir or madam,
I'm unclear on what you mean by "The connection of user Allabout2006 "to the subject" is all too obvious: He tries to abuse Wikipedia for advertising this dangerous drug. ". My intention is to set the record straight. The information that is contained in your "Alkyl nitrites" section is riddled with inaccuracies and misinformation. It is one-sided and biased toward the unfortunate campaign that has been part of the culture of denial and misinformation around HIV/AIDS. This misrepresentation of an alledged association with Poppers to HIV/AIDS is part of an ongoing battle between those few whom most researchers liken to the 'Flat Earth Society', and the rest of the AIDS research community as a whole.
The Wikipedia community calls for accuracey, fair play and neutrality. My attempt to set the record straight is not an attempt to advertise any product or any "drug" (Your use of the term "dangerous drug" would seem to imply a definate bias on your part). Wikipedia's own policy calls for a truthful presentation of the known facts. Some of the information contained in your section on "alkyl nitrites" simply fails that test. It is my responsibility, and right, to try to set the facts straight. And, although their position on HIV/AIDS has long ago been dismissed as uncredible, you clearly have the right to, and should, include the links to the Duesberg group that reference "Poppers" and nitrites. However, it is your responsibility to also include links to other sites that are credible, and which contain important information about this subject, regardless of your bias against them. Allabout2006 03:26, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
- Citation from allaboutpoppers (the page, you tried to advertise in Wikipedia for months): "Reach for power. Click here for poppers brands!", "Click here to find out about fake poppers products!", "Click here to view our wealth of classic poppers advertising." (here you have the gay magazines' Poppers glorification yourself, on your own page) - each with a direct link to the product ordering page: "PWD brands, you can feel the pleasure!".
Do you take your drug yourself, DEALER? - If yes, you can easily see one of its many destructive
effects by simple pulsoxymetry: methemoglobinemia. Try it!
Merge
I suggest that the information missing from this artcile, but present in POPPERS/NITRITES be moved here, then POPPERS/NITRITES should be deleted. N.B. there is already a redir for Poppers to this article. xaosflux T/C 03:39, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
Sir or madam,
With all due respect, I do not agree that the information presented in POPPERS/NITRITES should be moved here, or merged with this page. Nor do I believe the page POPPERS/NITRITES should be deleted. With respect to the redirect for "Poppers" , I feel that the existing redirect should be redirected to POPPERS/NITRITES , which will ultimately contain a far more comprehensive compilation of information and data on the subject compounds, written by experts in that field.
209.248.254.66 05:41, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
As a 'newbie' to Wikipedia, I am at the mercy of those of you who are more experienced here, and I am open to a merge of POPPERS/NITRITES if it is being suggested in the spirit of a genuine desire to adhere to the Wikipedia policy and stated goals of presenting credible information in a neutral manner. If, however, it is being suggested in the spirit of attempting to stifle and censure, I will oppose it strongly.
Would you kindly advise as to your intentions?
Respectfully, 209.248.254.66 05:56, 7 December 2005 (UTC) Allabout2006
- honestly, i'm not sure what would be stifled if that page just disapeared. it has five paragraphs about research conducted, but doesn't say what the research was or what the research concluded. the point of the POPPERS/NITRITES article seems to be: "The project took nearly two years to accomplish, and substantial resources were utilized. The result was a consolidation, clarification, and expansion of the pharmacological, toxicological and sociological data regarding these nitrites." thats it. I was going to merge it earlier after i saw the tag, as there obviously is already an article (articles) on poppers/nitrites. but i couldn't figure out what to keep out of that article, since it fails to describe a single conclusion reached by the study. What could even be merged from this article? if you're wishing to present scientific evidence to show that poppers are safe, you're going to need to cite it, and above all, you're going to have to provide the evidence!! as it stands, the POPPERS/NITRITES article seems worthy of an afd nomination rather than a merge.--Heah (talk) 07:00, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
Dear Heah,
You are obviously a far more experienced blogger, and apparent Wikipedia expert. I am neither.
I was only at the point of actually trying to set up the POPPERS/NITRITES page when I got your message that it should be shut down and/or merged with another. I haven't even had the opportunity or time to complete it. As a result, what you see is not the final product.
I appreciate your comments "scientific evidence to show that poppers are safe, you're going to need to cite it, and above all, you're going to have to provide the evidence!!" And am fully prepared to do exactly that.
However, I'm unclear on how you are the authority on this issue, and on what "must" be posted here. Are you the person who has set up this page on alkly nitrites? If so, where is your proof for the various statements you've made?
I am happy to play by the rules, but I need to know what they are. And, I expect to play on a level playing field.
At this point, simply based on the attitude you've exhibited during this discussion, it appears you may have a personal agenda regarding "Poppers".
Again, what is your interest in this subject?
Respectfully, 209.248.254.66 18:15, 7 December 2005 (UTC)