Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Numbers
Template
Parts:
- Names of section headers/structure
- Summary table
- elements to include
- e.g. es:Wikipedia:Plantilla_de_números
- Navbar or links to other numbers, versions:
- see alsos [See also: seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, integer, list of numbers) ]
- Version 1
- Version 2 (e.g. as a {{msg:}}
- /sequence box
- link in first paragraph [37 (thirty-seven) is the natural number following thirty-six and preceeding thirty-eight ]
- see alsos [See also: seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, integer, list of numbers) ]
- Link to year
In the /Sandbox I partially re-arranged the pages 1-10 as per the template. I'm not quite sure if the headers "Sets of N" fits well with "other fields".
BTW shall we include some sort of a Navbar?
-- User:Docu
- That's some very nice work in the sandbox. I think a navbar might be a good idea, it's probably more intuitive than "following N - 1 and preceeding N + 1".
- As for fields, and sets, to be honest with you, I don't know much about that. I'll have to do some research (hopefully right here in Wikipedia) before I can say anything meaningful in regards to that. User:PrimeFan
- I added couple of see alsos above, based on the supposition that the numbers will be renamed to 142 (number) etc. (see Talk:List_of_numbers/Deletion). Maybe we should forget about the "groups of N" header (or integrate it in better way).-- User:Docu
- I'm not sure what you mean by "groups of N header". Could you clarify? User:PrimeFan
- Mainly this section of "2" or "9", but also "3", "6". They include a list of words for a group of 2/9/3/6 units or a unit with 2/9/3/6 parts. Two has separate lists for pairs and twin. -- User:Docu
This sphenic number thing must go, see talk:composite number. -- Egil 10:18, 1 Feb 2004 (UTC)
At MediaWiki:numbers_E1 I added a text which can be used as {{msg:numbers_E1}} to display (e.g. at 80):
Shall we use this for numbers 11-99? User:Docu
- I added another one at MediaWiki:numbers_E0 (it can be edited there), I looks like this:
- I included it in 3 -- User:Docu
- Wow! I didn't know you could do that! That's a great idea. Let's add it to the template proposal, along with an explanation of the underlying markup (I'm going to have to study it a little bit before I feel confident enough to use it myself).
- I got a bit carried away, maybe using them too early .. with (whatlinkshere) you can find where. The may still need some fine tuning. The year pages all have links to preceeding and successive years/decades/centuries. I might be easier to just do the above. -- User:Docu
On another matter, it looks like the Number N (number) proposal will win in a landslide. If no one else wants to do it, I'd be willing to change the number articles over to the new format. PrimeFan 22:55, 14 Feb 2004 (UTC)
- Yes, we should probably write a summary to said discussion and even add it to the "Naming conventions". I can help move and fix all the redirects [Number_x] afterwards. -- User:Docu
Stubs: Unless they are part of a series (e.g. 1001-1009) which are more developed. I feel we should avoid adding articles of this size. Maybe we should add something here as well. -- User:Docu
Flagship Number Article
- We need to think about this. I propose that for this purpose we choose a highly composite number with lots of mathematical and cultural properties, such as 60. PrimeFan 23:04, 6 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Placement of Year
I've been recently editing the article on 13 (number) and had a back and forth issue with user:docu regarding the placement of the reference to the year AD13. I am aware of the way the project wants to lay out the page, but I don't think it makes any sense at all to have a section "The number 13 is..." "...the year AD 13". This is pretty meaningless, reads badly and is presented in such a way that it is not at all useful.
I would suggest either a header 'For the year AD 13 see 13' or include it in the footer after the list of related numbers, e.g. Template:Numbers E1 12 and 14 — the year AD 13
I have tried both of these and they have been reverted. What are other people's thoughts? I don't want to get into an edit war, but I think the current method is just plain wrong.
--HappyDog 01:25, 22 Feb 2004 (UTC)
- Previously the article was at thirteen (which might be read as year A.D. 13). Currently the article is at 13 (number) where year A.D. 13 is just one of the various fields the number can apply. This is why I prefer to include it in the list at the end of the article (possibly always as the last one). -- User:Docu
My main objection is the fact that it doesn't read very well. If I wasn't aware of this project (as I previously wasn't) I would naturally rewrite it to read better (as I previously did) and I suspect others will do the same. Imagine how it would read if the list also included 'The number 13 is... The number before 14.'! It seems a bit too obvious to list. One solution might be to change 'The number 13 is' to 'The number 13 could refer to' but this doesn't work in most of the other cases. Do you get my point? --HappyDog 08:40, 26 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Another format for the links to previous/following numbers, added by Schneelocke, separate by a <hr> from the article:
| List of numbers |
| Integer |
The table has the advantage that it links to 35,36 as well as 38,39. Personally I'd like to see 30 and 40 included as well. Depending on the screen size, it may be a bit too tall, the "see also" takes up less space in this regards. -- User:Docu
More choices for navigation bars (now also with tables): MediaWiki:Numbers_50s and MediaWiki:Numbers_60s:
They can be seen on white (article namespace) background on 55 (number) and 60 (number). If we use a table, we should probably avoid the <hr> mainly used for disambiguation. As on the default skin, the color #cccccc of table tends to rival with the one of the Wikipedia logo, I used a slightly grayed white on the msg versions above. Personally, I prefer the msg solution over sequence table inserted in the articles. -- User:Docu
- I too prefer the msg solution. Reduces the possibility of human error and makes it easier to fix when it does happen. PrimeFan 16:47, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Deletionists' Lobbying
I wish to make you all aware of a disturbing trend. The militant deletionist User:Eloquence, upset that the vote on the number pages didn't quite go his way, has sent several users, (User:Guillman, User:Cimon avaro, myself among others) form letters insinuating that they didn't think their votes all the way through and urging them to reconsider their votes. I should never have to tell anyone that I thought my vote thoroughly and that I take it seriously; that should be implicit. The vote has taken place and the issue needs to be brought to closure and relegated to archive talk pages. Correct information will never hurt Wikipedia's reputation. Militant deletionists will.
You are doing an excellent job creating a resource that is intuitive, entertaining and highly useful. Thanks to the number pages on 1 to 101 I have made myself simple mnemonics for phone numbers and my bank PIN numbers. Del arte 13:36, 27 Feb 2004 (UTC)
- They don't like the way the vote goes, so they insinuate the people didn't think their votes through. Simply apalling. PrimeFan 16:47, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Notation standards
I've added multiplication dots (·) in the 200 and 300 pages where there were only spaces, but suddenly I realised that no everyone might consider this an improvement. Is there any chosen standard about that ? Should we write :
15 = 3 5 (that which existed before my change)
15 = 3x5 (obviously not)
15 = 3·5 (that which exists after my change)
15 = 3 · 5 (as seen on another page)
Anything else ?
I'd also like to ask, shall we write :
8 = 2^3 (current way of doing it)
8 = 23 (seems to look better)
I hope it's the right place to talk about that.
slord 13:36, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
- Those items you added dots to are very short stubs, intentionally so. Once someone decides there's enough information on a particular stub to make a full article, then every care should be taken to adhere to the template. But otherwise, I wouldn't worry about it. PrimeFan 22:08, 4 Mar 2004 (UTC)