Talk:Benedict Arnold
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Hmmm... the "Eggs Benedict" story is at best questionable. The usual story is that the dish was invented at Delmonico's in Manhattan. The Swedish mistress thing could use some verification too, I suspect.... -- Someone else 03:02, 3 Sep 2003 (UTC)
- Both in the same edit by an anon IP, I'm guessing it was a joke and took it out. - Hephaestos 03:12, 3 Sep 2003 (UTC)
- Good call, I think. A websearch shows that lots of people seem to associate the dish with Mr. Arnold, but best evidence so far suggests it was invented about 1894, when he was long dead, and unearths no evidence that he ever displayed any personal cooking prowess. Now, if I can get the bonus question ("When was hollandaise sauce invented?").... -- Someone else 03:16, 3 Sep 2003 (UTC)
I question the legitimacy of Arnold being considered a traitor-turned-patriot in Canada. I reside there and see no evidence of that at all. Oberiko 19:15, 20 Jun 2004 (UTC)
- I have a feeling that's a result of reaching beyond the facts in an attempt to create a NPOV. As another example, the current intro of the article describes Arnold's actions (changing sides for money, selling out his comrades) as "rejoining the British." That's not a NPOV -- that's a euphemism. (And not really accurate, since he was not previously a British officer, so he can't "rejoin" them.) Set aside the American POV, and even by British military standards of the day, in which honor was highly regarded, Arnold's actions were in no way honorable. The British and Canadians may have found Arnold useful, but not respectable. --Kevin Myers 05:05, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Was Shippen loyalist?
My understanding is that Shippen herself was probably non-political (though she had a prior relationship with Major Andre). I believe that the Shippen family was considered "neutral" and that she pushed Arnold to treason not out of convinction but ambition.
Also, with respect to Arnold's treatment in England, he was somewhat shunned by the establishment there. --Amcalabrese 16:45, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Query
I've left a query with the recent (IP) editor regarding copyright, as the added text seems similar to [1] - Nunh-huh 03:05, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Just plowed through a history channel documentary on Arnold, and decided to drop on by to enlighten myself a little more. I thought I'd note that Benedict Arnold's grave was (and still is) marked. I also question the suggestion that the British and Canadian colonists regarded him as a patriot after his defection to the British side. His fellow officers in the British army reportedly regarded him with contempt, which is partly why he didn't experience the military success that he had while fighting on the side of the American colonists. Even after the war, when he returned to England, people remained suspicious of him. He recieved a pension from the king for his "efforts", but never really fully integrated into English society (certainly not to the degree he had in the colonies). -- Kyle 09:00, 02/23/05
Battle of Valcour Island
The article says that General Arnold defeated the British at Valcour Island. Unless he fought there on two occasions, I'm fairly sure he suffered a tactical defeat in that battle, being forced to beach his surviving ships in shallow water and strip them of their guns and stores. It could be considered a strategic victory though because the battle and the necessary preperation beforehand delayed the British forces from their planned offensive on Fort Ticonderoga until the next spring, when the Continentals were better prepared to face them. I'll find a cite for it when I can get a hold of the textbook for my friend's naval history class if anyone feels it's needed. -- Phil 10:48, 03/23/05
Categorization
This article was previously in dire need of categorizing. Although I'm certain that more can be done in this regard, I have gotten things started by breaking things down a little bit. On that subject, the article also seems somewhat fragmented, in that it tends to jump back and forth when discussing Benedict Arnold's personal life and wartime career. The article should be rewritten so that it has one section devoted to his personal life, while having another that discusses his wartime career and anything particularly relevent to that end. At a later date, if someone doesn't get to it first, I may take the time to restructure the content so that it better maintains its focus. - Ridan Krad 4/2/2005 @ 11:50 PM PST.
- Looks good - but there's a limit to how much personal & miltary life can be separated with Arnold. Widowed soon after an important military battle & political & personal dispute... met & married a loyalist (while in command) who then connected him with Andre... upset about being passed over for promotion... in debt & wanting to impress his new wife... --JimWae 08:03, 2005 Apr 3 (UTC)
Confused about the Picture
What does a picture of a capybara (or whatever that thing is) have to do with Benedict Arnold? I do not really care per say, it just seems odd to have this random picture go with this article. Especially with the caption reading "Benedict Arnold". I think someone is trying to be clever, I hope they got a laugh out of it but that undermines what Wikipedia is all about. How can people take this seriously when stuff like this happens, it destroys the crediblity of this whole organization. I could be mistaken however, maybe this picture is appropriate, can someone confirm?
Ambiguous wording
His horse was shot while he was rallying troops and it fell on his bad leg, becoming partially crippled.
Taken literally, this says the horse was crippled after falling on Arnold's bad leg. If that really was the intended meaning, my apologies, but I'm guessing it wasn't ;-) --Calair 05:17, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- I prefer another interpretation of that pronoun-riddled sentence: that the horse was rallying the troops. Mister Ed to the rescue! --Kevin Myers 13:40, Apr 21, 2005 (UTC)
Rank
If he was given his rank in the British Army, then he was just called Brigadier - and this is not of general rank in the British Army
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I'm related to Benedict Arnold by marriage. Yo Mama 5000
I'm related to Major John Andre --JimWae 17:56, 2005 August 27 (UTC)
I'm related to Lt. Robert Maynard, the captain who beheaded the pirate Blackbeard. Adraeus 03:02, September 1, 2005 (UTC)
His father - III or IV?
I read here earlier that BA IV was an earlier son (of Arnold's parents) who died young - making BA V's father BA III. Someone has made changes that BA V's father was BA IV.--JimWae 17:56, 2005 August 27 (UTC)
Saratoga Campaign
JimWae, The table started out offline. I was trying to sort out dates and people for the various battles of Saratoga and created the table on excel to help me get it clear in my own mind. When I was done I just transposed it into the article. I think its useful for anyone who ends up here studying the Saratoga campaign. It gives a handy link to all the wiki articles about Saratoga. Xtrump 16:02, 26 September 2005 (UTC)