Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2005 Los Angeles power outage

2005 Los Angeles power outage

As a Californian, I can say first-hand that this is not notable. Maybe it's notable enough for Wikinews, but not here. The outage lasted only a few hours; this kind of thing happens every day somewhere in the developed world. The only reason it's a news story is because it happened in LA. How long would "2005 Bakersfield power outage" last? sɪzlæk [ +t, +c, +m ] 04:09, September 13, 2005 (UTC)

• Delete I am living an hour and a half from LA, and it was pretty much a non-event. I hear threats of losing power and saving energy here, so it is nothing really new. Zach (Sound Off) 04:13, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete Having a hard time justifying this as notable. --Dhartung | Talk 04:21, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep and Expand: The event is significant, because it shows the vulnerabilities in the current power grid infrastructure. There has been several NSF funded projects to deal these, being part of one such project, I have studied other large scale power outages too, and the domino-effect of one small misake being multiplied into such large scale failures is definitely interesting. --Ragib 04:22, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Merge into a new article on large scale power outages since it'snot intrinsicly interesting then, otherwise Delete. Dlyons493 08:03, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. This is just a huge power outage, which happens sometimes. This has not yet turned out to be any sort of devasting event/terrorist attack. It is just not noteworthy enough to be an article. If there is a major power outage list, I guess it could go there.Voice of All (talk) 04:26, September 13, 2005 (UTC)
• Keep I live in LA and the city was a mess for hours, people were screaming about terrorism and a state of emergency was declaired. I also think it's important because one mistake shut down half the county. Sean Bonner 04:58, September 13, 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. It was a limited power outage, worth a 5-minute report on NPR but that's it. No one outside of LA County and damned few within will remember this a year from now. --Calton | Talk 05:01, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
• KEEP and move to Wikinews. --Cool Cat ^Talk 05:41, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete (or Merge to wikinews article-- or expand it into wikibook case study on power grid failures). Any vote to keep it is pure Recentism. People thought it was related to Al Qaida but it wasn't. Funny Coincidence, but that alone doesn't merit a full encyclopedia article. If it blows up as a scandal or coverup or something then sure make it an article, but for now it is at best an interesting anecdote, ergo wikinews.MPS 05:52, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete this is rather a non-event in the grand scheme of things --Clawed 05:59, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete as per Calton. Let's have a sense of proportion here, people! MCB 07:53, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
• Transwiki to Wikinews. --Apyule 08:19, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete not important at all. Martin 09:45, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete/merge. If this is a truly historic power-outage then it can be merged/added to "History of Los Angeles" but I don't see anything historic about it. As news it is already old. Is there an article about electrical grids that would be an appopriate place to list this as an example of utility fragility? -Willmcw 09:49, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Very few power outages deserve articles and this isn't one of them. — Trilobite 09:57, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete Evil Monkey∴Hello 10:27, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep There are articles about less notable things on Wikipedia, yet are they tagged for deletion? This was a newsmaker in the US. CFIF 11:19, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

News belong on Wikinews, not Wikipedia. Feel free to bring the less notable things up for a VfD too, if they're equally unencyclopaedic. — ceejayoz ^{★ .com} 14:28, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

• Delete, not encyclopaedic, might be suitable to have a page that deals with power shortage in CA as a general topic, but one probably exists already. Usrnme h8er 11:21, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep It may have future historical interest. Malcolm Morley 12:59, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

Like? — ceejayoz ^{★ .com} 14:28, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

• Keep. Easily verifiable and likely of interest to readers. - SimonP 13:09, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Minor event. Pilatus 13:46, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Some workers messed up some wiring and the lights went out for a bit. Non-notable. — ceejayoz ^{★ .com} 14:28, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. Significant enough to receive international press coverage. Also notable for its use in highlighting weaknesses in the power grid. Additional trivia interest for happening on the day Al Queda threatened to attack the city. 23skidoo 15:01, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep and/or move to WikiNews It is important and relevant... especially at this time in American's history, and as other's said, shows an important insight into how Los Angeles is run/how things are handeled. Since it is current news, I believe moving it to WikiNews, and linking to it temporarily from the wikipedia Los Angeles page might be the best solution. -- NatsukiGirl\^talk 17:08, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
• keep Wikipedia is a news source regardless of the existence of Wikinews lots of issues | leave me a message 17:17, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Southern California's energy management (c.f. one of the hoarding allegations made against Enron) is an interesting and important topic. If we don't have an article yet, we surely will one day. Then, I think it is likely that we will merge in this article. Until that time, it seems poor form to delete the raw data in GFDL form. Pcb21| Pete 17:45, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. California's energy management belongs in an article on California's energy management. A short blackout is not encyclopaedic. Congratulations, your power went out. Mine went out a couple of weeks ago too, and for longer. This ain't that blackout that lasted a long period and knocked out the entire eastern seaboard, this is a brief interuption that absolutely nobody in North America would give the faintest damn about if it didn't happen in a major American city. Lord Bob 18:03, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
  • So you are saying that it is something that people give "the faintest damn" about. But you want to excise the information anyway? Seems a bit odd! Pcb21| Pete 18:08, 13 September 2005 (UTC)