Talk:Music
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An anonymous user made some edits to the music page. I've reverted most of it, because I disagree; I don't want to discourage this person from editing, so here are my justifications:
It may be accompanied by sung lyrics.
- I think of lyrics as part of the music, rather than an accompaniment. The singing article, linked from the music page, goes into this in a little more detail.
However birdsong for instance is very short of rhythmn.
- Not any birdsong I've ever heard.
As stated above music is known not just in the human race, but in birds, crickets even creatures such as hyenas (who most people interpret as laughing but it is fact, song).
- Interesting theory; this the the first I've heard of it. References? How do we know that these sounds are interpreted by animals as "music", as opposed to, say, just communication?
Music can also be regarded as the main part of a substance-like the music of the night. It can also be regarded as fury-facing the music.
- I'm not sure these expressions belong on this page; definition of music somewhere, maybe?
Some people can sing, some people can't but have an ear for music (i.e. know the difference between a fairly good song and a mediocre song) and some people are tone-deaf.
- Do we really need to mention this? It's like saying, "Some people can ski well, some people can't but can spot a good skiier, and some people can't even get the skis on their feet." This all changes with practice, and who's judging what "good" music is anyway?
-- Merphant 22:02 4 Jul 2003 (UTC)
Someone wrote the following before reverting:
- Music is an outlet for people's emotions. If someone is angry, they will compose or play violent, energetic music. If they are sad, they will play mournful, lamenting music. The basic orchestral music began in the mid-1600's. This was known as the Baroque period. Some of the composers of this period were J.S. Bach, G.F. Handel, and A. Vivaldi. This music was basically 'church music' put into orchestra form. Following the Baroque period came the Classical period. This music had more freedom; its composers were more self-obsessed than religious. A famous composer of this period was Telemann, who also helped in the Baroque-to-Classical transition.
It maybe a bad habit. But I like to put deleted text in Talk page in case somebody likes to put it back. wshun 02:09 22 Jul 2003 (UTC)
- You did the right thing - I was going to move it here myself, but got caught up in editing the article instead. --Camembert
Here's some more deleted text:
- David Bowie had his pupil permanently dialated as a child and he turned out quite a huge amount of compositions, not to mention he also married IMAN, a famous model.
What does this have to do with being deaf? -- Merphant 21:09 22 Jul 2003 (UTC)
I've removed this from the article:
Music is extremely time related, not only in beats and rhythm but also in frequency and frequency patterns and harmonics.A machine called a spectrum analyzer allows humans to visually see the sound waves like a t.v. set.Here the difference between sound and music is VERY obvious!!!!. Sound usually has NO repetition in the way the pattern looks like on a spectrum analyzer. Music on the other hand generates MANY repetitive patterns that can be seen, and USUALLY the more patterns the more "beautiful" or "pleasant" the music. Some of these patterns are named "upper and lower Harmonics". Humans typically enjoy music or sounds with "even order" harmonics in the like the sound of a sparkling glass bell, and tend to dislike music and sounds with "odd or random order" harmonics, like hitting a cardboard box with a flyswatter. Also a musical song can associate a very old memory or a recent time to very specific date, sometimes when no other method of memory recall can.
It makes quite a lot of assumptions about what music is, and basically chucks all percussion out the window. The bit at the end about memory recall can be applied to many other things. Really, if this belongs anywhere, it's probably at definition of music, but it would need a lot of bashing around before it could go there either, I think. --Camembert
My proposed outline for this article:
- intro:
- Aspects of music
- pitch, duration, timbre, intensity:
- melody, harmony, chord, chord progression:
- Performance: Oral tradition, Improvisation, Composition, Notation
- Solo, Group, or Ensemble:
- Improvisation versus Interpretation
- Composition: Written piece, traditional orally or aurally handed down piece, improvised piece
- Media: Radio, CDs and other recorded media, album, television: music videos
- Audition
- Training, Education, Theory, and Study
- Training: Apprenticeship, private study
- Education
- Types of music:
- Art/Classical: One broad and common grouping of music is as art music or classical music traditions.
- Popular & Folk: The previous category is often compared and contrasted with Popular music, which includes both modern commercial music and folk music. As opposed to classical music, popular music exists in all cultures.
- conclusion
Very nice. I like it.
Stirling Newberry 04:50, 18 Jan 2004 (UTC)
"After 1960, listening to music through a recorded form, such as sound recording or watching a music video became more common than experiencing live performance."
I submit that this date would be more accurately given as the mid-late 1940's, as the recording industry grew (with a corresponding increase in home sound-reproduction device ownership) following the end of WWII. Distribution of music videos didn't become widespread until the late seventies; the primary genre available then (as now) was rock music. --Hereward