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Regarding the Settlers of Catan pages:

  • Massive additions and restructuring underway.
  • All images originate from an open source implementation of Settlers of Catan. The developer has sanctioned this Wikipedia effort. The game is distributed at SourceForge under GPL licensing.

Please see the Wikipedia:Image_use_policy#Copyright page for the following policy statement:

It is not the job of rank-and-file Wikipedians to police every image for possible copyright infringement.

If you so choose, see also Wikipedia:Copyrights#Image_guidelines, and point to the part that's violated by the contents of the Settlers of Catan documentation, before removing any part of that entry.

Stardust 02:49, 13 Dec 2003 (UTC)

READ THE FOLLOWING, as per the Wikipedia and copyright issues page

FAIR USAGE. The doctrine of "fair usage" means that the matter which was under copyright was neither copied nor adopted, but that the uncopyrightable underlying idea was used, since a theme or idea is not copyrightable.

What I don't understand is what "which images we must omit" is about -- I can't think of any situation in which any image in the 'pedia should be "omitted." Would someone please enlighten me? -- isis 11:26 Oct 30, 2002 (UTC)

I was thinking of album cover thumbnails & sound clips -- wiouldn't a a CD or paper version of Wikipedia, even if sold at-cost, have to omit those? -- Tarquin

No, no way, never, huh-uh. -- isis 11:40 Oct 30, 2002 (UTC)

The only possible time such an image might have to be omitted is in a commercially sold reproduction of Wikipedia (that weakens our "fair use" position but probably wouldn't destroy it), and since we don't plan on ever doing that, it shouldn't be a problem. If we made a paper reproduction distributed in accordance with our educational purposes, the same fair use rights would apply to that.

With all due respect, I must dissent from that opinion: Under Fed.R.Evid. 1001, for example, any copy of the 'pedia is interchangeable with any other (and/or the "original" -- whatever that means in this context), so whether we charge for our efforts in producing a particular copy or not is immaterial.

I've just realized what's been bothering some Users about the videotape covers: They don't understand what a copyright on the packaging means. I should have caught on sooner and told them the fact they were missing to ease their minds: A copyright on a videotape cover design prohibits anyone else's making a videotape cover/box/package with that same (or too much like it) design, but it does not prohibit anyone's taking a picture of it to show to anyone (commercially or not) when talking about the content of the tape in that box. If it did, the copyright laws would be unconstitutional, and those statutes are intended to further the 1st Amendment, not violate it. -- isis 20:20 Oct 30, 2002 (UTC)

Sounds like the matter is resolved (but Isis, note that we're dealing internationally here -- 1st amendment is a local thing) -- Tarquin

Can pages be renamed? It appears that the pages that presently branch off from the main SOC page do not follow Wikipedia naming conventions, or any other intuitively obvious system.

Yes. Use the Move this page link in the sidebar. UtherSRG 17:40, 11 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Please rethink those cards you have uploaded and added to articles. They're copyrighted by the manufacturers and marketers, and I don't think posting them here, especially in such large quantities, is "fair use". RickK 04:30, 12 Dec 2003 (UTC)

See above regarding the origin of these images. Is the sample image of the settlers of catan bank copyrighted? Or the image of that particular standard board configuration? Does a photograph or illustration of someone reading The Return of the King, or people playing chess, or people playing settlers, constitute copyright infringement? Are we concerned with origin or with likeness? If the images were further processed to be fuzzier or smaller, would they still pose a concern? If there is a gradient of fuzziness, where is the line drawn? Stardust 05:06, 12 Dec 2003 (UTC)
None of those circumstances are what I'm talking about. Chess is not copyrighted. Pictures of people palying Settlers are not copyrighted. The cards are. RickK 16:29, 12 Dec 2003 (UTC)
Tell me, what is the motivation behind your quest? To prevent Mayfair from charging Wikipedia with copyright infringement, when in fact they distribute these images for free themselves? As I've posted on the article's Talk page, "Likewise, the jungle tile is copyrighted. This is what Mayfair has to say about that: "Feel free to copy this image and attach it to cardboard to create your own Jungle Tile!" Same with the volcano tile. At the point that Mayfair itself distributes its images freely, with the recommendation that people put them in play, whereas the Settlers of Catan article is merely informational and intended to fuel interest and sales to boot, perhaps you need to find bone to pick somewhere else!" Stardust 20:45, 12 Dec 2003 (UTC)
Take a deep breath. Cool down a little bit. RickK is just suggesting that the images are under copyright, and the copyright holder, Mayfair Games, has not released them under GNU_FDL, thus we can't realy have them here. Mayfair releasing them for personal use in a copy of their game that you bought is different than them releasing them for comercial use, which is what this project is. Gentgeen 21:43, 12 Dec 2003 (UTC)
I would suggest (as I have before) that the image descriptions give exact details as to the origin of the images. Stardust has said that they are from the GPL game at sourceforge, so that should be OK. --snoyes 22:36, 12 Dec 2003 (UTC)
See Talk:Settlers of Catan, the images are acknoldged by the source website to be illegal, and to have been objected to by the game's designer. Gentgeen 00:52, 13 Dec 2003 (UTC)
The implementation is acknowledged to be unlicensed. The images are privately created illustrations. Do not make blanket changes to the document, such as removing all the images, including those beyond question. That is an explicit violation of Wikipedia guidelines. Stardust 02:24, 13 Dec 2003 (UTC)
Really? Who says? RickK 08:10, 13 Dec 2003 (UTC)

STOP UPLOADING COPYRIGHTED MATERIAL!!!!! RickK 08:16, 13 Dec 2003 (UTC)

If you continue to upload copyright material without permission, it will ultimately result in your account being blocked. By uploading material without permission, you put Wikipedia in serious jeopardy and create a lot of work as other more constructive editors work to undue the damage you are doing by breaking the law. Daniel Quinlan 08:28, Dec 13, 2003 (UTC)

For the law, as relevant to the United States, where the servers are located, please see Talk:Settlers of Catan. Gentgeen 08:52, 13 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Read the excerpt above from the Wikipedia and copyright issues page. The copyright on Settlers of Catan protects Mayfair from anyone producing a physical, boxed game suite with the same or similar design as a product for the mass market. It does not prevent anyone from sharing illustrations of any degree of likeness to the physical product. This is protected by the First Amendment, which is quite relevent enough in the United States.
 Stardust 08:54, 13 Dec 2003 (UTC)
The First Amendment has nothing to do with copyright. You are not attempting to express free speech, but commercial exploitation. RickK 08:58, 13 Dec 2003 (UTC)
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