Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2008 January 8

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This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion on January 8, 2008

"Cottier, Cotter" → Cottier

Part of a long list of unnecessary, obscure and/or misspelled redirects that include improper use of quotation marks. Floaterfluss ^{(talk) (contribs)} 04:24, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

• Keep this one because it documents a pagemove. Rossami (talk) 05:25, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
  • As with any move (that's not ancient), the pagemove is documented at Cottier too. Aside from any other issues, why is it necessary to keep that record in two places? Gimmetrow 05:47, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
    • There are several potential reasons. For some, it alerts the original editors and readers of the page (at the earlier title) that the page has been moved and tells them clearly where to make further contributions. Simply deleting the redirect after a pagemove can confuse new users who incorrectly assume that they made a mistake saving the page and who then recreate the page at the old, bad title. For others, there is a chance that some reader created an internal or external link to the old, incorrect title. Deleting the redirect breaks any such link. (That's not likely if the page was moved within minutes of creation but is increasingly likely for older pages.) But the big reason to leave them alone is that there is no measurable advantage to the project by deleting them yet there is a small but measurable downside to the deletion. The analysis here about unnecessarily "fixing" redirects also applies to unnecessarily deleting them. If a redirect is somehow harmful or misleading to a reader, it should be deleted. Otherwise, the project is better served by ignoring them. Rossami (talk) 06:22, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
      • I did say "aside from other reasons". As for "fixing" redirects, now that these have templates, they all need either an edit (to remove the template) or a deletion, so the server load issues are something of a tossup. Gimmetrow 06:38, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
        • At this point, that's unfortunately true. (And every edit we make in the deletion debate very slightly exacerbates the issue.) But we have many many thousands of these redirects that were created by the pagemove process. The project would not be well-served if these deletions were interpreted as a universal precedent. In my opinion, it's worth our time now to reaffirm the policy and to teach other readers and editors that nothing is really gained by trying to delete them in the first place. Rossami (talk) 16:45, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
          • Redirects from phrases "in quotes" are arguably a bad thing since they override the search algorithm. I think it's better in general that these not go to a specific page, but generate the articles using the phrase, with (hopefully) the most relevant one first. I can imagine exceptions where the search phrase is a notable quote involving common words, and it helps to redirect it to the person quoted. But I think if the phrase in quotes matches the target article, interference with searching likely outweighs the possibilities of breaking third-party links, and the redirect should be deleted. (Ancient page moves recorded nowhere else are another consideration.) Gimmetrow 23:14, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

• Delete. I have nominated many of these as well. I have proposed as well that many cases are speedy deleted by extending the deletion R3 rule. Check here -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:28, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Comment As Wikipedia:Naming conventions writes: To maintain the functionality of Alphabetical Indexing and avoid needless redirect pages, page names should not begin with non alpha-numeric (A-Z,0-9) characters used solely for emphasis. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:55, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

• Delete Looks worthless. -- Nips (talk) 00:32, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

"Deadwater" → Deadwater

Part of a long list of unnecessary, obscure and/or misspelled redirects that include improper use of quotation marks. Floaterfluss ^{(talk) (contribs)} 04:24, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

• As long as the target page is kept (a question which I think should be investigated because the target page does not appear to assert notability), keep the redirect because it documents the pagemove. Rossami (talk) 05:26, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
• Strongly Delete. I have nominated many of these as well. I have proposed as well that many cases are speedy deleted by extending the deletion R3 rule. Check here. As another user said "delete before someone creates a bot to create redirects for the existing 2 million articles" -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:30, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete per above. --M4gnum0n (talk) 16:22, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete Disruptive. -- Nips (talk) 18:18, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
  • "Unnecessary" is a judgement call but I'm not going to let you get away with "disruptive" without more explanation. How is the redirect that's automatically created by our own pagemove software "disruptive"? This was not pagemove vandalism, the evidence points to an innocent mistake in the title used in the original creation of the page. Rossami (talk) 22:12, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

"Dead Body Guy" Chuck Lamb → Chuck Lamb

Part of a long list of unnecessary, obscure and/or misspelled redirects that include improper use of quotation marks. Floaterfluss ^{(talk) (contribs)} 04:24, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

• Keep this one because the content was merged into the target article, apparently through a cut-and-paste move. GFDL requires us to keep attribution history and leaving the redirect (and its pagehistory) intact is the cleanest way to do that. Rossami (talk) 05:28, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
• Strongly Delete. I have nominated many of these as well. I have proposed as well that many cases are speedy deleted by extending the deletion R3 rule. Check here. As another user said "delete before someone creates a bot to create redirects for the existing 2 million articles" -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:30, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete per above. --M4gnum0n (talk) 16:22, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete Disruptive. -- Nips (talk) 18:19, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

"Do You Know"? (The Ping Pong song) → Do You Know? (The Ping Pong Song)

Part of a long list of unnecessary, obscure and/or misspelled redirects that include improper use of quotation marks. Floaterfluss ^{(talk) (contribs)} 04:25, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

• Keep this one because it documents the pagemove. Rossami (talk) 05:29, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
• Strongly Delete. I have nominated many of these as well. I have proposed as well that many cases are speedy deleted by extending the deletion R3 rule. Check here. As another user said "delete before someone creates a bot to create redirects for the existing 2 million articles" -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:31, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete per above. --M4gnum0n (talk) 16:22, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

"Dick McAuliffe" → Dick McAuliffe

Part of a long list of unnecessary, obscure and/or misspelled redirects that include improper use of quotation marks. Floaterfluss ^{(talk) (contribs)} 04:25, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

• Keep because it documents the pagemove. Rossami (talk) 05:30, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
• Strongly Delete. I have nominated many of these as well. I have proposed as well that many cases are speedy deleted by extending the deletion R3 rule. Check here. As another user said "delete before someone creates a bot to create redirects for the existing 2 million articles" -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:32, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete ohhh that was me!!! Can I get on wikiquote Magioladitis? Victuallers (talk) 23:39, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

comment Was it you? I maybe add it as a quote in my page! You have my vote :) -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:43, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. --M4gnum0n (talk) 16:22, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

"Demand Promissory Note" → Promissory note

Part of a long list of unnecessary, obscure and/or misspelled redirects that include improper use of quotation marks. Floaterfluss ^{(talk) (contribs)} 04:25, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

• Keep because it documents the pagemove. Rossami (talk) 05:31, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. --M4gnum0n (talk) 16:22, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete. Having articles with unnecessary quotes is not helpful at all. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:07, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

"Defanging the snake" → Defanging the snake

Part of a long list of unnecessary, obscure and/or misspelled redirects that include improper use of quotation marks. Floaterfluss ^{(talk) (contribs)} 04:25, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

• Keep because it documents the pagemove. Rossami (talk) 05:31, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
• Strongly Delete. I have nominated many of these as well. I have proposed as well that many cases are speedy deleted by extending the deletion R3 rule. Check here. As another user said "delete before someone creates a bot to create redirects for the existing 2 million articles" -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:32, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. --M4gnum0n (talk) 16:22, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete Disruptive. -- Nips (talk) 18:22, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

"Douglas Century" → Douglas Century

Part of a long list of unnecessary, obscure and/or misspelled redirects that include improper use of quotation marks. Floaterfluss ^{(talk) (contribs)} 04:25, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

• Keep because it documents a pagemove. Rossami (talk) 05:34, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
• Strongly Delete. I have nominated many of these as well. I have proposed as well that many cases are speedy deleted by extending the deletion R3 rule. Check here. As another user said "delete before someone creates a bot to create redirects for the existing 2 million articles" -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:34, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Again, no one is creating these redirects directly. For the most part, they are being created by our own software when someone moves a page. That's a feature, not a bug. Rossami (talk) 21:44, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete. No need to create all these quoted pages. --M4gnum0n (talk) 16:22, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete Disruptive. -- Nips (talk) 18:23, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

"Don Cartagena (song) → Don Cartagena

Part of a long list of unnecessary, obscure and/or misspelled redirects that include improper use of quotation marks. Floaterfluss ^{(talk) (contribs)} 04:26, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

• I'd like to note that I made this redirect because it seemed like this misspelling caused a redlink in the past. It was listed on the red link recovery wikiproject when I made the edit here. Since someone already made this spelling mistake, I thought another person might do it again in the future. Lisatwo (talk) 19:25, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete. Don't encourage typos. --M4gnum0n (talk) 16:22, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
• Speedy Delete Implausible typo. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:12, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

"Dowager's Hump" → Kyphosis

Part of a long list of unnecessary, obscure and/or misspelled redirects that include improper use of quotation marks. Floaterfluss ^{(talk) (contribs)} 04:33, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

• Weak keep. Keep because it documents a page move. Weak because in this case, the pre-move history is very limited. Rossami (talk) 05:37, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:35, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete because of quotes. --M4gnum0n (talk) 16:22, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

"Dragostea din tei" → Dragostea din tei

Part of a long list of unnecessary, obscure and/or misspelled redirects that include improper use of quotation marks. Floaterfluss ^{(talk) (contribs)} 04:33, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Song titles are usually given in quotation-marks. Someone created such a redirect which means that for him/her such a title was natural. No need to delete such a redirect IMO. //Halibutt 14:07, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

• Keep as per Halibutt, that's exactly why I created the redirect. --Merovingian (T, C) 17:29, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
• Strongly Delete. I have nominated many of these as well. I have proposed as well that many cases are speedy deleted by extending the deletion R3 rule. Check here. As another user said "delete before someone creates a bot to create redirects for the existing 2 million articles". Quotes are not necessary and unpleasant -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:36, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
• This one is bad because there are two songs by this name. If there were no redirect, the search engine would list both possible songs. The redirect impedes that (if the user hits "go"). Granted that's the same with any redirect to the primary meaning of a disambiguation, but if we need to have a redirect in quotes for this song title, then wouldn't that apply to all song articles? Gimmetrow 23:34, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete because of quotes. --M4gnum0n (talk) 16:22, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

"Dragons of Winter Night" Detailed Summary → Dragons of Winter Night

Part of a long list of unnecessary, obscure and/or misspelled redirects that include improper use of quotation marks. Floaterfluss ^{(talk) (contribs)} 04:33, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

• Keep because it documents the pagemove. Rossami (talk) 05:39, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
• Indifferent - It was the original name of the page before it was moved to a better name. However, I don't expect anybody to actually look it up by that name, so it's not likely to get used anymore. --Maelwys (talk) 14:08, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete Forgotten redirect. Marlith ^T/C 05:50, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete. No one will search for this, and it has quotes. --M4gnum0n (talk) 16:22, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete it has quotes. No reason to document page moves. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:09, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete Quotes and no one will search for deatiled history. Reywas92^Talk 16:04, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

"Dual Entente" → Franco-Russian Alliance

Part of a long list of unnecessary, obscure and/or misspelled redirects that include improper use of quotation marks. Floaterfluss ^{(talk) (contribs)} 04:33, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

• Keep because it documents the pagemove. Note that this move was conducted before the software automatically started recording moves into the target page's edit history. The redirect is the only record we have of the move. Rossami (talk) 05:40, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
  • But there is no indication that anything from "Dual Entente" was ever part of the current target article. "Dual Entente" was created on 14 April 2005, and was moved to Dual Entente the same day; the entire article was a single sentence and not particularly accurate. On 25 May 2005 the latter was redirected to the Franco-Russian Alliance because that article, which had existed since 28 March 2004, was much more developed even at the time the "Dual Entente" one-liner was created. Since the content of "Dual Entente" was not used and never will be used, why do we need to preserve a record of title changes? Gimmetrow 19:16, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete. A redirect without the quotes exists. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:04, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete. Quotes redirects are bad. --M4gnum0n (talk) 16:22, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

"Duck Soup to Nuts" → Duck Soup to Nuts

Part of a long list of unnecessary, obscure and/or misspelled redirects that include improper use of quotation marks. Floaterfluss ^{(talk) (contribs)} 04:33, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

• Keep because it documents the pagemove. Rossami (talk) 05:42, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. --M4gnum0n (talk) 16:22, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Quotes are unnecessary. -- Nips (talk) 19:08, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete. It has quotes for no reason. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:13, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

"Dyson the ball" → Dyson (company)

Part of a long list of unnecessary, obscure and/or misspelled redirects that include improper use of quotation marks. Floaterfluss ^{(talk) (contribs)} 04:33, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

• Keep because it documents the pagemove of a page that has already had a troubled history (which makes it more not less likely that we are going to again need to refer to history to keep the topic clean). Rossami (talk) 05:44, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete. Why keep a redirect with unneccessary quotes? -- Nips (talk)

"Dusty Wright" → Dusty Wright

Part of a long list of unnecessary, obscure and/or misspelled redirects that include improper use of quotation marks. Floaterfluss ^{(talk) (contribs)} 04:33, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

• Keep because it documents a relatively recent pagemove and the original contributor has not yet demonstrated that he/she knows about the move. Rossami (talk) 05:45, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Quotes are unnecessary. -- Nips (talk) 19:08, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete. Another redirect with quotes that make no difference. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:14, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

"Dunder Mifflin Infinity" → Dunder Mifflin Infinity

Part of a long list of unnecessary, obscure and/or misspelled redirects that include improper use of quotation marks. Floaterfluss ^{(talk) (contribs)} 04:33, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

• Keep. The edit history of these two pages gets more than a little confusing. As near as I can tell, content was moved from here to the correct title. Keep to be sure that we have the full contribution history. Rossami (talk) 05:50, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete. Quotes that make no difference. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:16, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

"Dubrow's Cafeteria" → Dubrow's Cafeteria

Part of a long list of unnecessary, obscure and/or misspelled redirects that include improper use of quotation marks. Floaterfluss ^{(talk) (contribs)} 04:34, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

• Keep because it documents the pagemove. Rossami (talk) 05:50, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. --M4gnum0n (talk) 16:22, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Quotes are unnecessary. -- Nips (talk) 19:08, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Another redirect with quotes of no use. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:16, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

"Eagles" of Lwów → Lwów Eaglets

Part of a long list of unnecessary, obscure and/or misspelled redirects that include improper use of quotation marks. Floaterfluss ^{(talk) (contribs)} 04:34, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

I created this redir because someone used that form in an article. Which means that, most likely, some people would search for "Eagles" of Lwów rather than Lwów Eaglets. I believe the more redirs we have the merrier. //Halibutt 14:01, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

• Remove quotes then. --M4gnum0n (talk) 10:59, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

"Eagles" of Lwow → Lwów Eaglets

Part of a long list of unnecessary, obscure and/or misspelled redirects that include improper use of quotation marks. Floaterfluss ^{(talk) (contribs)} 04:34, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

• Remove quotes. --M4gnum0n (talk) 10:59, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

"Earl Merkel" → Earl Merkel

Part of a long list of unnecessary, obscure and/or misspelled redirects that include improper use of quotation marks. Floaterfluss ^{(talk) (contribs)} 04:34, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

• The target article should probably be reviewed at AFD because the contribution history implies some WP:COI issues and the article doesn't really assert notability all that strongly. But as long as the target page is kept, the redirect should be kept to document the pagemove. Rossami (talk) 05:52, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. --M4gnum0n (talk) 16:22, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Quotes are unnecessary. -- Nips (talk) 19:07, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. We don't have to keep redirects with quotes. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:18, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
• Comment Similar redirects with quotes nominated some days ago and the discussion closed with delete. Check Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2008 January 2. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:56, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Interesting that you choose to ignore the precedent that did not end the same way 2 days prior. Rossami (talk)

"Earthly Paradise" → Garden of Eden

Part of a long list of unnecessary, obscure and/or misspelled redirects that include improper use of quotation marks. Floaterfluss ^{(talk) (contribs)} 04:34, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

• Delete. If necessary, create another redirect without quotes. --M4gnum0n (talk) 16:22, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

"East Asia Economic Group" → East Asia Economic Caucus

Part of a long list of unnecessary, obscure and/or misspelled redirects that include improper use of quotation marks. Floaterfluss ^{(talk) (contribs)} 04:34, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

I don't think that it is unnecessary, as the same economic group is known with two similar but different names. I think that the servers used by Wikipedia can handle also such redirections of secondary importance. They are not ultimately necessary but ease the use of the encyclopedia. SAE1962 (talk) 14:39, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

• Delete. If necessary, create another redirect without quotes. --M4gnum0n (talk) 16:22, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete and create another version without quotes. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:15, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

"Egyptian mummy" ca.1898 → Mummy forgeries

Part of a long list of unnecessary, obscure and/or misspelled redirects that include improper use of quotation marks. Floaterfluss ^{(talk) (contribs)} 04:34, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

• Keep because this one documents a pagemove. Rossami (talk) 05:54, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
• Strong keep a misguided wikiuser elected to delete this article. I rewrote the article and moved it to Mummy forgeries. travb 06:50, 9 January 2008 (UTC) NOTE: This comment was not added by User:travb but by 68.89.137.174. GlobeGores (talk | contribs) 06:52, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

"Electronic charge" → Elementary charge

Part of a long list of unnecessary, obscure and/or misspelled redirects that include improper use of quotation marks. Floaterfluss ^{(talk) (contribs)} 04:34, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

• Strong Delete. I have nominated many of these as well. I have proposed as well that many cases are speedy deleted by extending the deletion R3 rule. Check here. As another user said "delete before someone creates a bot to create redirects for the existing 2 million articles" -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:40, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete. If necessary, create another redirect without quotes. --M4gnum0n (talk) 16:22, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

"Eileen Ascroft" → Eileen Ascroft

Part of a long list of unnecessary, obscure and/or misspelled redirects that include improper use of quotation marks. Floaterfluss ^{(talk) (contribs)} 04:34, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

• Another where the person who created the article also moved it. You could delete but why bother? It doesn't aid the project any. Rossami (talk) 05:55, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete. Ok we have to group them. I got exhausted writing similar things in all these cases. The good thing is that they are less than 500 redirects of this kind left. :) -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:53, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Quotes are unnecessary. -- Nips (talk) 19:07, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

"Edward Davy Wedge" → Edward Davy Wedge

Part of a long list of unnecessary, obscure and/or misspelled redirects that include improper use of quotation marks. Floaterfluss ^{(talk) (contribs)} 04:34, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

• Keep. Content appears to have been moved to the target page via cut-and-paste. Rossami (talk) 05:56, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
• Strong delete I have nominated many of these as well. I have proposed as well that many cases are speedy deleted by extending the deletion R3 rule. As another user said "delete before someone creates a bot to create redirects for the existing 2 million articles" -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:13, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Quotes are unnecessary. -- Nips (talk) 19:05, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
• Histmerge per Rossami. -- Ned Scott 20:42, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

"Episode of the Island of Perpetual Winter". → Episode of Chopper: Bloom in the Winter, Miracle Sakura

Part of a long list of unnecessary, obscure and/or misspelled redirects that include improper use of quotation marks. Floaterfluss ^{(talk) (contribs)} 04:34, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

• Yet another where the person who created the article also moved it. You could delete but why bother? Rossami (talk) 05:57, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete. If necessary, create another redirect without quotes. --M4gnum0n (talk) 16:22, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete. Unnecessary redirect with quotes. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:12, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. -- Nips (talk) 17:58, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

"Erotic Gay Video Awards" → Adult Erotic Gay Video Awards

Part of a long list of unnecessary, obscure and/or misspelled redirects that include improper use of quotation marks. Floaterfluss ^{(talk) (contribs)} 04:35, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

• Keep. Documents a pagemove. Rossami (talk) 05:58, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
• Strong Delete. I have nominated many of these as well. I have proposed as well that many cases are speedy deleted by extending the deletion R3 rule. Check here. As another user said "delete before someone creates a bot to create redirects for the existing 2 million articles" -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:40, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete. If necessary, create another redirect without quotes. --M4gnum0n (talk) 16:22, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. -- Nips (talk) 17:59, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

"Even Better Than the Real Thing" → Even Better Than the Real Thing

Part of a long list of unnecessary, obscure and/or misspelled redirects that include improper use of quotation marks. Floaterfluss ^{(talk) (contribs)} 04:35, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

• Keep. Documents a pagemove. Rossami (talk) 05:59, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
• Keep. As noted, documents a page move. 23skidoo (talk) 18:20, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
• Strong Delete. I have nominated many of these as well. I have proposed as well that many cases are speedy deleted by extending the deletion R3 rule. Check here. As another user said "delete before someone creates a bot to create redirects for the existing 2 million articles". Wikipedia is not for documenting user actions. History is documented not to lose information that maybe later is useful. A page move is not the case. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:39, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
  • I'm sorry but that is not actually true. GFDL requires us to keep documentation of the contribution history of the content of the project. Pagemoves represent changes to the title of the page and are legally considered "content". As it says in the "keep if" criteria on Wikipedia:Redirect, pagemoves are generally considered useful history. There are several different ways that we can comply with GFDL but we may not simply choose to not comply by alleging an overly narrow view of the reason that we keep history. Rossami (talk) 21:53, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete The pagemove is also documented in the target page's history. Reywas92^Talk 16:06, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete. Quotes are of no good at all. -- Nips (talk) 22:42, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

"El Ferrol del Caudillo" → Ferrol, A Coruña

Part of a long list of unnecessary, obscure and/or misspelled redirects that include improper use of quotation marks. Floaterfluss ^{(talk) (contribs)} 04:35, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

• Keep. The article's already forked at least once. Making a page into a redirect help to prevent it from reoccurring. Rossami (talk) 06:00, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
• Strong delete Redirect without quotes exists. The quoted version is not helping at all. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:11, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Quotes are unnecessary. -- Nips (talk) 19:05, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
• Comment Similar redirects with quotes nominated some days ago and the discussion closed with delete. Check Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2008 January 2. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:56, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
  • I'm going to try not to duplicate comments more than necessary so please see the reply in the "Earl Merkel" thread above. Rossami (talk)

"Ecquid Novi" → Ecquid Novi

Part of a long list of unnecessary, obscure and/or misspelled redirects that include improper use of quotation marks. Floaterfluss ^{(talk) (contribs)} 04:35, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

• Keep because it documents the pagemove. Rossami (talk) 06:01, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
• Strong Delete. I have nominated many of these as well. I have proposed as well that many cases are speedy deleted by extending the deletion R3 rule. Check here. As another user said "delete before someone creates a bot to create redirects for the existing 2 million articles" -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:38, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. --M4gnum0n (talk) 10:59, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Quotes are unnecessary. -- Nips (talk) 19:04, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

"Embedded Compact Extended" → Embedded Compact Extended

Part of a long list of unnecessary, obscure and/or misspelled redirects that include improper use of quotation marks. Floaterfluss ^{(talk) (contribs)} 04:35, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

• At 04:40, 8 January 2008 (UTC), Gwernol speedy deleted this calling it an "implausible redirect". Since the redirect was created by the pagemove, it can not be "implausible" as we use that term. I have restored the redirect pending the conclusion of this debate. Rossami (talk)
• Keep because it documents the pagemove. Rossami (talk) 06:04, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
• Strong Delete. I have nominated many of these as well. I have proposed as well that many cases are speedy deleted by extending the deletion R3 rule. Check here. As another user said "delete before someone creates a bot to create redirects for the existing 2 million articles" -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:38, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Quotes are unnecessary. -- Nips (talk) 19:04, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
• Comment Similar redirects nominated some days ago and closed with delete. Check Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2008 January 2. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:56, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Again, see the thread above. Rossami (talk)

"Elliptical clause" → Elliptical clause

Part of a long list of unnecessary, obscure and/or misspelled redirects that include improper use of quotation marks. Floaterfluss ^{(talk) (contribs)} 04:35, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

• Keep because it was part of a history merger of several pages. Rossami (talk) 06:06, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
• Strongly Delete. I have nominated many of these as well. I have proposed as well that many cases are speedy deleted by extending the deletion R3 rule. Check here. As another user said "delete before someone creates a bot to create redirects for the existing 2 million articles" -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:37, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. -- Nips (talk) 00:37, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Comment Similar redirects nominated some days ago and closed with delete. Check Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2008 January 2. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:55, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

"Estimated" sign → Estimated sign

Part of a long list of unnecessary, obscure and/or misspelled redirects that include improper use of quotation marks. Floaterfluss ^{(talk) (contribs)} 04:35, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

• Keep because it documents the pagemove. This page has already been moved several times. The redirect clearly demonstrates to new editors that the community has already considered the question and that this is the preferred destination. Rossami (talk) 06:08, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
• Strongly Delete. I have nominated many of these as well. I have proposed as well that many cases are speedy deleted by extending the deletion R3 rule. Check here. As another user said "delete before someone creates a bot to create redirects for the existing 2 million articles" -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:37, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete unneeded unused redirect. Marlith ^T/C 05:56, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Quotes are unnecessary. -- Nips (talk) 19:03, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

"Evangelical Lutheran Tennessee Synod" → Evangelical Lutheran Tennessee Synod

Part of a long list of unnecessary, obscure and/or misspelled redirects that include improper use of quotation marks. Floaterfluss ^{(talk) (contribs)} 04:35, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

• Keep because it documents a pagemove. And while in this case, the original contributor is the person who later moved the page, there were also intervening editors. Rossami (talk) 06:09, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
• Strongly Delete. I have nominated many of these as well. I have proposed as well that many cases are speedy deleted by extending the deletion R3 rule. Check here. As another user said "delete before someone creates a bot to create redirects for the existing 2 million articles" -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:37, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. -- Nips (talk) 00:34, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Comment Similar redirects nominated some days ago and closed with delete. Check Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2008 January 2. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:55, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:GURCH → Wikipedia:Requests for oversight

This was originally a redirect to User talk:Gurch but then a bot came around and made it a redirect to Wikipedia:Requests for oversight. Now, I don't quite understand the logic there, but think it should probably be deleted altogether. We obviously don't need random redirects to RFO and secondly, why does User:Gurch need a cross-namespace redirect to his talk page? - Rjd0060 (talk) 16:21, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

• Keep per WP:ZN :) – Gurch 18:14, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
• Keep There's nothing wrong with it. Majorly (talk) 18:46, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Comment: Well, now that the redirect was changed back to his user talk page, it isn't that big of a deal I guess. I wasn't aware that everybody was allowed to create redirects to their user pages in the WP namespace. I'll be sure to spread the word then. (just kidding - sarcasm intended) - Rjd0060 (talk) 18:59, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

• Keep because 200801081850GURCH. –Pomte 18:50, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete because there is no reason for a user to have a cross name redirect. Any others can get deleted to, unless the user has a specific need for it. - Koweja (talk) 03:35, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

America's mayor → Rudy Giuliani

I originally deleted it as a blank page, but I see that it's a redirect. Should obscure nicknames be redirects? —Preceding unsigned comment added by J-stan (talk • contribs) 18:47, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

• keep' I do not see a reason to delete it. It is just a nickname, and not obscure. Λua∫Wise ^(talk) 18:50, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete Fair enough to state in the Giuliani article that he was referred to as America's mayor during the events of 9/11 but not to redirect such a loose term to his article. Not everyone agrees that he is, was or ever will be America's mayor. He was New York's mayor. That's fact. At the most, it should be made a disambig page. -- ALLSTARecho 18:52, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment and what other links would you like to put on the page? Has anybody else ever been called that? - Koweja (talk) 03:38, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
• Change to Rudy_Giuliani#Public_reaction. - CobaltBlueTony™ _talk 18:53, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

• Keep. Common nickname for Giuliani that was widely used in US press especially following 9/11, definitely not "obscure". Google gives 88 300 hits for "america's mayor"+"Giuliani". We also have similar redirects for nicknames such as "Governator" and about every nickname for US presidents so why not this? /Slarre (talk) 18:58, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
• Keep, people type this in trying to get to the Giuliani article. Its a nickname that everybody recognizes.--STX 19:23, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Comment When I'm trying to get to the Giuliani article, I type in Rudy Giuliani - because that's his name of course. I serious doubt there are that many people that actually type in "America's mayor" when they have Rudy on the brain. If not deleted, it should at the most be a disambig page. -- ALLSTARecho 00:38, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

• Keep: Well known term when speaking of Giuliani. - Rjd0060 (talk) 00:18, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
• Keep apparently people will use this redirect. Marlith ^T/C 05:55, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Comment You say "apparently". That means you've got some sort of definitive proof? -- ALLSTARecho 14:01, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

• Keep certainly not "obscure", and is a legitimate search term. The mere existence of a redirect is in no way an endorsement of the usage. - Koweja (talk) 03:38, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
• Keep a helpful redirect Ed Fitzgerald (unfutz) (talk/cont) 18:27, 10 January 2008 (UTC)