Talk:Shot glass

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Size of a shot

Maybe it's different in metric countries, and if it is feel free to add the old numbers back in, but a standard shot is most definately 1.5 ounces (~45 cc), a "pony shot" is 1 ounce (~30 cc), and a double shot is 3 ounces (about 90 cc). I have no clue why the "ounce shot" is listed at 50cc, because 1 ounce is about 30 cc. I've got dozens and dozens of shot glasses, all are 1.5 ounces. And I have found a beautiful Shot Glass Display Case to showcase them. The website is http://www.displaygifts.com/shotglass_displaycases.html. Here's a couple more of reference other than my experience: http://www.drinknation.com/glasses/Shot-glass http://www.webtender.com/db/glass/2

      • This post looks like it is more of a advertisement than a factual argument. I have plenty of "one gallon jugs" that hold more than 128 ounces, but that does not make them "130 ounce jugs." A 500 ml beaker holds more than 500 ml if you fill it to the rim, but that does not make it a "505 ml beaker." Containers are often designed to hold more than the "designated" amount, usually to leave room for expansion (the jug) or to make it harder to spill (the beaker). The shotglass is like the beaker -- there is supposed to be some "empty space" at the top of the glass so that the bartender, waitress or patron do not spill. Look at any of the metal jiggers used for measuring -- they are not designed to be filled to the rim. Look at the shotglasses with measuring lines -- none of them have the line at the rim. And, if a "single" was supposed to be 1.5 ounces, then a double would be 3 ounces. A double is only 2 ounces, so a single is 1 ounce. A "pony" is a generic term for something small (see the sorry wikipedia entry for a pony beer) -- there is no specific size, but "small." The most common glass that fits this category is the european style 2cl (20ml)
      • A "pony shot" is a new phrase, first appearing about 1968 , where a "pony glass" dates back to at least 1899 The 1911 Encyclopedia Brittanica gives the size of a "pony glass" as "less than a half-pint" (http://www.1911encyclopedia.org/Pony) Most "turn of the century" usages of "pony glass" relate to a smaller than usual glass insulator used for telegraph wires -- In this case pony equals small --Dizneydude 01:29, 8 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • In the UK, shot glasses are often 25ml, or 50ml for a double. Orange Goblin 09:58, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
    • Really, hm. I guess us Americans can take more alcohol than you Brits. Either that or we're just bigger alcoholics :) I don't think I've ever seen a 25mL shot glass over here. I've gone ahead and added wording indicating that those amounts are common in the US. And I changed the units from cc to mL. jdoty 01:22, 8 Jun 2005 (EST)
But then your pints are only 16 fl. oz, whereas ours are 20 fl. oz :P - FrancisTyers 19:03, 5 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I live in the U.S. and I have some 25ml shot glasses, so they do exist over here. --Stevekl 22:55, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
According to the CDC 12oz of beer, 5oz of wine and 1.5 oz of hard licquer contain the same amount of alcohol, I think this should be menitioned in the highly opinionated Sizes section. Plus someone should flag the article for point of veiw, an article should not contain the phrase "I believe" once and definately not twice.

Someone changed the page to something nasty, so I changed it back, I wasn't sure if there was a revert button, so I just copy/pasted the previous code into a new edit.

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Photograph: A shot glass (pencil included for scale)

It would be much more helpful if there was a scale included for scale. Who knows how big or small this ****ing pencil is. — Daniel FR 07:34, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Er, it's about the size of a pencil. That particular pencil is the cheap Bic .07 mechanical pencil which is probably the most popular in North America. I think it works just fine as a scale object, even if you're not familiar with that type of pencil. Angrycrustacean 23:35, 16 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Grammar

This sentence has a hanging participle and needs to be rephrased: When travelling, there may be shotglasses sporting national flags, or local tourist attractions. When it is read literally, it sounds very silly. Rintrah 05:27, 29 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Etymology

I've deleted the etymology section since, frankly, I think it is highly dubious. But here is my further rationale: 1. There are no sources listed. 2. I couldn't find any sources online myself. 3. The section doesn't mention who did this (i.e. the spitting) or when. 4. The use of dedicated glasses seems pretty fancy for this sort of thing, but what do I know. 5. It doesn't explain how "shot glasses" for spat out shots became glasses for drinking out of. 6. Shot also means "dose" or "small amount". I think it's probably that "shot glass" is called such because it holds a small amount of liquid. It could be that this meaning of shot derives from its use in "shot glass", but the other way seems more likely given the limited evidence here. AliaGemma 12:43, 27 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Next time, ask the community before arbitrarily deleting a section of text. Now the etymology section contains an equally "highly dubious" and unsourced origin for the name. I agree that some research is in order, but let's not just randomly start deleting text from articles, please. 24.153.118.129 19:24, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Since there are so many "dubious" origins, I added them with reasons why they are dubious so that people stop deleting the story that conflicts with what they "know to be true." I have been studying the origin for 20 years, and #6 above ("dose" or "small amount") is getting close... --Dizneydude 02:39, 21 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Now that this article has some knowlegeable content, it needs to be edited consistent with Wikipedia standards. Do the contributors want to do that themselves, or will they welcome some help? -- Mukrkrgsj 02:52, 21 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Great! I've already rewritten the intro, and done a little cleanup. The main job will be to edit the conversational, "Discussion"-type text you posted to the main article, and clean up some links and references. You might want to add some more info about collectible shot glasses. -- Mukrkrgsj 02:14, 22 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • One re-write changes the sentence to be incorrect. It states: "The terms "shot" and "shot glass" probably originated in the United States during the Great Depression." This is incorrect. The word shotglass or term "shot glass" probably originated during prohibition. The word "shot" has been around for hundreds of years, and has numerous meanings. What I think you intended was to say that the meaning of shot related to a small amount of alcohol dates to the prohibition era (not the depression), but even this is not true. The phrase "shot of whiskey" appears in 1904 (again in the New York Times), so the "shot" pre-dates the shotglass (and pre-dates both nationwide prohibition and the depression). Also, the prohibition era started a long time before the passage of the Volstead act -- many places had local prohibition ordinances before 1919. One "staple" of prohibition, the speakeasy, was invented many years before nationwide prohibition, in Pittsburgh, PA which had a local ban on alcohol. Other terms associated with nationwide prohibition may have originated in areas with local prohibition.
  • Also, The object known as the shotglass is unlikely to have been created during the depression - it is more likely that someone would have the money to "invent" and/or produce a new type of glass during the "roaring twenties" than during the depression. I have not been able to prove this, but the economics of creating a new type of specialized glass would be more probable during the early years of prohibition, the years before the depression, than the prohibition years after the start of the depression.
  • I am a little confused by the "citation needed" next to "There is no standard; it has never been officially defined in the United States" If it has never been defined, there will be no place to find a citation -- you cannot prove a negative. --Dizneydude 02:42, 25 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, there is still some confusion about the origins of both the modern thick-walled shot glass or shotglass, and the words themselves. It doesn't help that pre-pro.com calls pre-Prohibition whiskey glasses "shot glasses":

"Prohibition began with the enactment of the Volstead act on January 1, 1920 so, by definition, pre-pro shot glasses date from before that time. Most of them were made in the last few years of the 19th century and the first two decades of the 20th. Pre-pro shot glasses are typically about two inches tall, made of very thin glass, and have a label that is white and looks to have been acid-etched."

I made several changes to the introduction; and I just cut the sentence, "The shotglass probably was born in America in the early 1900s."

  • Robin (of pre-pro.com) uses the term shotglass to describe items that may not have been known as a shotglass when they were made because most people around today would not know what a "whiskey taster" or "whiskey sample glass" is. This is similar to the case of the people who built the first "flying machines" and did not have the word "airplane" but later people apply that word to their creations. The same is true with "automobile" and "train" or "locomotive." --Dizneydude 00:32, 8 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know who added the "citation needed" tags, but the intro to the Sizes section still needs editing to eliminate the confusion. Mukrkrgsj 04:51, 25 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

citation needed for negative assertion

I added the citation needed for 'size has never been defined'. My impression is that can't say that, because it's original research WP:OR (we are implying that WE did an exhaustive search and could not find any definition for the official volume of a shot glass). So what we need is a reliable source WP:V that says it's not been defined. It's a pretty bold statement to say that something has never happened, isn't it? Thanks for asking. JetheroTalk 04:45, 26 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • WE may not have researched this, but I have. It is impossible to prove a negative (at least one with as many variables as this -- researching every local, county, state and federal statute) but in 20 years of research, the New York State "attempt" during the 1940s is the closest that I have found. If shotglass.org counts as a "reliable source" it covers this topic. How about saying "The volume of a shotglass has not been defined by the National Institute of Standards and Technology" --Dizneydude 00:32, 8 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"A recent wikipedia article..."

Isn't it wrong to cite the source in the section? Also, since when has wikipedia been cited? 24.14.72.182 21:35, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The reference is to some of the previous content of this article, which the editor had replaced. It isn't needed, and I'm going to remove it. Knowledgeable editors should correct and add to the Origin section. Mukrkrgsj 01:18, 4 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Origins is written in a very unencyclopedic tone

Someone should fix this. 22:57, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Seriously. I love it when Wikipedia suddenly goes into the first person. Kensai Max 04:29, 11 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Agree. Tagged section as original research. Propose deletion of section? Origins is not the most relevant or useful section in this article. Why not have an origins section for every word in the encyclopedia? Save it for the OED. The Wilschon 15:57, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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