Talk:Politics of Cornwall

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I'm sorry but I find this unacceptable for a general Cornwall politics article in an encyclopedia. This is nationalist overkill. Of the six narrative sections five are primarily about nationalism, and nationalism conceived in terms of constitutionality and identity. I think if you ask the man in Market Jew Street what matters to him Cornwall's constitutional status and ethnicity will be low on his list: try health service, affordable housing,jobs, water bills...

Dear god, even the communist party (the what? who? where?) gets a mention because it apparently backs an assembly for Cornwall. But then a by-election for Camborne town council figured in a Cornwall politics article previously.

I am minded to rewrite the narrative completely. Of course there might be a case for a separate article dedicated to nationalist politics and groups and websites in Cornwall.

Sorry if this sounds cross, but, oh dear... Crococolana 21:17, 10 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed, this article was very poorly written and structured, and ommited some very important areas while going indepth into issues which already have plenty of space on more specific articles. There is no need for a separate article about the nationalist politics, there are already several.
I've had a go are restructuring the article, cutting the crap that doesn't belong here, starting sections on local representation and administration, history, and other issues. Perhaps somebody could expand it with more on social issues, etc. The article needs a lot more in the way of citing sources though, and remember that anything you add should be referenced. Social issues should preferably be backed up with statistics, surveys, etc, and where possible should be comparative, both with other parts of the UK, and with historical situations. Joe D (t) 00:19, 8 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The nationalist stuff should stay, however, your point sticks. There should be more things on the non-nationalist side. --MacRusgail 10:38, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
"Cornwall is a county in South West England whose politics is influenced by a number of issues that make it distinct from the general political scene in the wider UK, and the political trends of neighbouring counties."
This is patently untrue. Other counties have small single interest groups on their county, district, town and parish councils. The fact that the Cornish ones claim some vague nationalist leanings does not make politics any more distinct from any other locality in the UK. Should Bootle be given this "distinct from the general political scene" tribute as it once has a "monster raving looney" councillor?

"Two of the main influencing factors in Cornish politics is the disputed position of Cornwall as separate constitutional entity within the UK and the rights of the Cornish people as a minority"

Totally incorect! If this was a "main influencing factor", then Mebyon Kernow would have got more than the 1.4% of votes in the seats in which it put up candidates for Westminster in 2005. As the UKIP got 5% of the vote it would be more correct to say that independence from Europe is a "main influencing factor" in Cornish politics. Even at district level Mebyon Kernow only managed to get (their highest ever total) 7 out of 249 seats (2.8% of seats)
As things stand "nationalism" is very much a minority interest, one which is overblown by those trying to make it into something it is not. (unsigned comment byUser:Serpren)
For starters, MK is actually there. However, the campaign for a Cornish assembly has far wider support (much higher than Devonwall), and there are many manifestations of a kind of Cornish patriotism, such as the flying of the flag, the re-emergence of the language in various places etc. --MacRusgail 10:38, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Well, as stated, MK get betweem 1.4% and 2.8 % of votes at election, and therefore deserve recognition here along the percentage of votes they acrue.
As for the "assembly" that is a different kettle of fish, one that has been hotly debated elswhere, and should be kept its own Wiki page, not re-raised here. People do not come to encyclopedias looking for the wishes and dreams of others, they come looking for actuality, fact, and reason. (unsigned comment byUser:Serpren)
Yes, and the fact is that MK have more councillors in Cornwall, than UKIP. The Monster RLP do not stand for self-determination for Bootle (!), and there is no historical precendence for that, let alone an indigenous population which traditionally considers itself non-English. MRLP stand/stood throughout the UK anyway. Not a valid comparison, if only because they are meant as consciously comedy candidates. --MacRusgail 17:27, 22 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Why were the election results for 2005 and 2007, which I inserted to give a sense of proportion, removed? (unsigned comment byUser:Serpren)

Why do you not sign your contributions? --MacRusgail 19:48, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

UKIP claims

I believe that UKIP got fewer councillors throughout the UK, than MK did in Cornwall. UKIP got one in Cornwall, which is a fraction of MK's seven or so.--MacRusgail 10:08, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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