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Archive 1: March 23, 2004 - June 24, 2007

Elbow/ Forearm?

Is it a forearm knockdown or a high elbow knockdown that Benoit does every week? I've heard Michael Cole say forearm and Tazz say elbow.

"However, Chris Benoit was replaced by Johnny Nitro for the ECW Championship match at Vengeance, as Benoit was not there due having his pubic hair get caught in the jet in his pool." are you sure this is not a joke? 202.148.19.14 16:50, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Benoit and Family Found Dead

According to WWE.com. Expect a barrage on the page.--ProtoWolf 22:03, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I hope its just a storyline angle just like this Vince one Jcdizon 22:15, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Chris Benoit and his whole family were found dead in their home today. Good God this is horrible I don't think its real dude supermike

Considering the whole "Vince is dead" angle plus the fact that WWE.com reported this while the wrestling sites have yet to pick up on this, I have to wonder if this is legit or not. If it is, I offer my condolences to Benoit's family. Considering he was friends with Eddie Guerrero, one has to wonder if they're going to end up doing a tribute/storyline to him much in the same way as Latino Heat. Benoit will be missed in the squared circle. Jgera5 22:24, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm very sad to report that this isn't a storyline - Dave Meltzer has confirmed the Benoit family's deaths on Wrestling Observer. My condolences go out to the entire wrestling community and to anyone remotely connected to the Benoit family. Steveweiser 22:26, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Considering that they are reporting his WHOLE FAMILY IS DEAD I think its safe to say that sadly, its true. I can't see WWE even being this sick Mattbwn 22:27, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hopefully we'll see some semblance of respect by them dropping the vince death angle for at least one night. DemonWeb 22:29, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I am in shock. I don't even know what to make of this. One of the greatest in the bussiness gone. Will the "Vince is Dead" storyline countinue? God....I can't believe this. His whole family also... Milkman 22:37, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]


i wish it was a storyline angle but it's not my friends got a text mesg from wwe alerts and on wrestlers myspace's like gregory helms it said:

I was sitting here at my computer when I got a call informing me of the death of Chris Benoit and his family. Other than saying that my thoughts go out to to his remaining family, I don't know what to say. Chris had just called me on Thursday to check on me as he has every week since my surgery and now days later I find out that he's gone. He was my friend. This hurts! This fucking sucks!!!! Rest in peace my friend! Love you!

R.I.P. Chris Benoit

And still no news source is reporting this. Just the usual goofy prowrestling sites.

That's not unusual. It took many major news outlets a few hours to pick up on the death of Eddie. -- Scorpion0422 22:41, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It may take them even longer this time because of the stupid "Vince is presumed dead" angle, g-d I hope they drop that shit now... Bmg916Speak 22:42, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Someone has changed the main page to say that this is an angle. Dave Meltzer has confirmed that the whole thing is true, and that Benoit sadly is dead. Steveweiser 22:44, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

WWE.com updated with statement offering simpathies. We may need to get this Full-Protected. Mattbwn 22:45, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It might not hurt to jump the gun and request semi protection now before the barrage hits. On a side note, did anyone else notice that they removed all of the Vince's death stuff from the WWE.com main page? -- Scorpion0422 22:46, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Until confirmed by Atlanta news outlets, we should protect it and change the page back to its unedited state. MichaelBlankley 22:49, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see any feasible way they can continue with this angle in the wake of Martel and now this tragedy. Chris Benoit was easily one of the most respected wrestlers in the history of pro wrestling, period. To continue that angle in the wake of this would be a new level of disgusting. It will be interesting to see if Vince comes out tonight on RAW. Mattbwn 22:51, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Called channel 11 Atlanta - they checked with Atlanta police - NO SUCH INVESTIGATION. Quit removing this comment.

Please, I don't think WWE would make false death reports. Vince is a storyline, this isn't. Your "call" to Atlanta police doesn't satisfy reports all over the internet claiming this. — Moe ε 22:52, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I hate to say it, but the fact that he didn't appear at the pay-per-view the night before for "personal reasons" and then was found dead the next day seems suspicous and somewhat contrived. I hope he's not really dead but either way, it's sad that since this McMahon death angle we really can't believe any deaths in WWE.Maxwagner7 22:59, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

WWE.com removed all References to the McMahon Death Angle, they updated the RAW page to a simple Chris Benoit 1967-2007 Image. Not even WWE has such bad taste that this could be an angle. WWE Raw Page 212.101.18.215 23:09, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Plus, Vince Mcmahon opened the RAW by breaking kayfabe and speaking of Benoit's death, so the angle has obviously been dropped. R.I.P. Chris. (Sawyer 00:55, 26 June 2007 (UTC))[reply]

I'm glad the part saying that Chris murdered his wife and son was deleted because that has not been reported as the official explanation. Let's wait for the straight facts to be delivered. AlexR42 03:12, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Lets not jump the gun with this. Lets wait until we can find more reliable sources. I am also glad that someone got rid of the Benoit killing his family info. Alot of people are going to come here for information so we should kept as informative as possible without pouring out speculation. And the source that was linked looked like a freelance news web-site --classicrockguy 03:36, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Even TNA are reporting it now. There's no way it can be fake.

So we know it's real now. Not an angle.

I just read the TNA piece - it hits you even more when the opposition are reporting the news. Steveweiser 22:54, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oh yeah - that settles it. Come on people, get real - I'll go with Channel 11 and the Atlanta police before wrestling sites.

For the time being, we have to go by what the sources are saying, even if it is a work (which I doubt it is). -- Scorpion0422 22:58, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There's NO way TNA would play along with WWE storylines Movietrailer 22:57, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The funny things is thinking people would take an unsigned comment about a phone call to the Atlanta police as credible over official documentation on both WWE.com and its direct competition. Mattbwn 22:59, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I think based on the number of edits in the past few hours a semi-protect is at least in order. Mattbwn 23:00, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
If this were only a storyline, TNA would not have said a word about it, and yet it is on their page. It is, most unfortunately, legit. I'm sure Atlanta news will acknowledge something if it is found to be a suspicious death. And yes, I agree on the semi-protect. People will be editing this page like mad.trivialbass619 23:01, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Well it seems stopping the wrestling industry plants would help. Called Atlanta police myself - no known report or investigation. I am not the only one who has called. Why not get off your behinds and call yourself?

Oh come on, you're being stupid - it's all over the Internet now, it is most definitely legit... end of story. Mattborgi 23:09, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

And every single one is a wrestling site except a Memphis station reporting that WWE site says so. Call the Altanta police!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! --Unsigned

The atlanta police are already there... --Unsigned

There are no credible (non-wrestling) sites reporting that he died. If it were real, surely CNN or the AP would report on it. Especially if it involved his whole family dying. --Ssj4android 23:13, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Easy now everybody, take a breath. In one hour we'll see if it's real or not. Mattbwn 23:13, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The lack of respect shown here for a deceased human being truely disgusts me. MMAnzi 23:15, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Do you think this should have a semi-protect if vandalism occurs today? --Mikecraig 23:16, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Right now, we're best off patrolling it constantly for vandalism and reverting it when it happens. Semi-protection might be needed soon, however. Rdfox 76 23:20, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Atlanta police probably wouldn't talk about an ongoing investigation. I wish it was a work, but I doubt it is. 68.18.33.219 23:17, 25 June 2007 (UTC)Adam Nelson[reply]

http://www.myeyewitnessnews.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=a76b6326-1f90-4539-988e-cf4eb2b8cd7f&rss=59 75.2.200.118 23:20, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

WSB in Atlanta confirms. http://www.wsbtv.com/news/13567642/detail.html?rss=atl&psp=news

This can't be a work unfortenly. Even WWE.com confirms this.

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For everyone saying they have called the Atlanta Police, you need to be aware this isn't an active investigation by the Atlanta Police Department. The investigation is being conducted by the Fayette County Sheriff's Department, and you should call them. Link to story. --Hookedonlsd 01:16, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ok Folks

Time to settle down a bit. Taking a few extra minutes or more to confirm information AND to reliably source it (no, PWTorch, 1wrestling.com are not reliable sources) will not kill the article. Please do not continue to edit war on the page, we don't want to full protect it, but we will if we have to. SirFozzie 23:29, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Agree --Mikecraig 23:30, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

ok here is a source from an atlanta news site

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/13567642/detail.html Movietrailer 23:32, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

http://www.ajc.com/news/content/metro/fayette/stories/2007/06/25/0625benoit.html - Atlanta Journal Constitution is reporting on it. - Matt J

We've been reported on

"To those emailing us with the note from Wikipedia.com claiming the Benoit-family death situation is a WWE television angle - we can confirm that rumor is completely false. There is nothing scripted about the very tragic circumstances that unfolded today." [1] -- Scorpion0422 23:33, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]


There are many more useless, hurtful, and ignorant items added into this discussion than the ones you deleted. Should get your priorities straight. 75.2.200.118 23:39, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Protect the article

I'd like to suggest that an administrator put protection on the Benoit article. No doubt that people will be flocking here to get information, and some will be tempted to edit the article with false information. TheOneCalledA1 23:37, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's already happening, I'm sorry to say. -- MisterHand 23:40, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I have requested that it be fully protected for the time being because we won't be getting any information any time soon and it should be protected at least until new verified information comes in. -- Scorpion0422 23:43, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. seven+one 23:43, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think protection is necessary just patience. Eventually the truth (and it is seemingly more likely that it is an AWFUL truth) will be verified sufficiently for all parties. Even though some MSM outlets are beginning to come out with this story, I am still hoping it's just an angle. In the meantime please don't edit war, the article isn't going anywhere, and there will be sufficient time to sort out all the issues. Ramsquire (throw me a line) 23:45, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree with full protection; what we want is semi-protection. Full protection is only for ongoing edit wars and such. For example, the article on the Virginia Tech massacre experienced near-constant vandalism for days after the event, but it has never been beyond semi-protection. Vandalism by established editors can be dealt with through standard Wiki means--we monitor and correct it, and use warnings and WP:AIV to deal with it. I would, however, recommend starting with uw-v2 at a minimum for vandalism, and wouldn't disagree with uw-v4im for people putting in claims that this is all a work. Rdfox 76 23:49, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think the article needs to be protected for the next while. I've just been on a couple of webforums and Wikipedia's rep is taking some hits from people upset over the false reports that made their way into the article before the lock-down. Wiki's reputation is shaky enough; in some respects I think wikipolicy should indicate that articles like these should be instantly locked to all but registered editors once a story like this breaks. Obviously in practice it's more difficult to do that than in theory ... 23skidoo 00:37, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]


I recommend a full protect on the article for one week just to keep things together as the details of his death comes forward. Maybe we should look at something for the long term future in regards to this page's protection. AnthonyWalters 01:52, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

We try to only use full protection in ongoing edit wars, and then as sparingly as possible. I'm sure a lot of folks have it on their watch list. Just make sure everything is sourced, and if the situation changes, then the article can change. SirFozzie 01:55, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Tyeman64 types: I believe as well semi-protect will do for now. Any member here would be smart enough not to add what they dont know. As wikipedia isnt here for speculation but for facts.tyeman64 10:43 pm est, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

TSN

TSN.ca is now reporting on Benoit's death. [2] -- Scorpion0422 00:16, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

So has FoxNews [3], with apparent verification that the authorities are investigating it. The problem is, most of these reports are linking their stories to WWE.com, which to people like me who don't want to believe it's true, gives the hope that this may all be some sick and misguided work. Ramsquire (throw me a line) 00:26, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • The Canadian Press wire service is reporting it, though only using he WWE site as a source. Having worked for CP-related media I can say with assurance they wouldn't be posting this if there wasn't a legitimate indication it's true. See here 23skidoo 00:27, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

They can always ask local authorities to validate the claim, so its legit.--Bedford 00:37, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Besides, common sense would dictate that this wouldn't follow the WWE formula for a work; it wasn't built up on TV at all, they already have a similar story going on (or they did), and they cancelled an entire show and sent the audience home. Jeff Silvers 00:59, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

WSB linking to article

WSB-TV (Atlanta's ABC affiliate) has linked to Chris Benoit's wiki page here. Where is the talk template for noting an article that has been used as a source by a news organization? --Kitch (Talk : Contrib) 00:28, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Don't see a link there, Kitch... :? 00:31, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, where's the link there? (Sawyer 01:08, 26 June 2007 (UTC))[reply]

Just some advice

Is there any explanation as to why my section in here was deleted? Send me a message before you do that. Anyway, (http://www.tmz.com) - This is yet another news site confirming his death. No need to believe trolls, especially those who refuse to sign their posts. Legendotphoenix 01:00, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Associated Press

A very reliable source, the Associated Press, has reported about the deaths here. Rest in peace, Benoit. ~ UBeR 01:26, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

DOD

Should the date of death be listed as June 25 yet? We know he was found today, but until the autopsy is released (expected Tuesday), we don't know for sure the date of death. Right now, all we know for sure is it happened sometime between Sunday afternoon (June 24th) and 2:30pm June 25th. So with that, shouldn't the DOD be listed as unknown, until offical word? Rawboard 01:37, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It should stay as the 25th until a source says otherwise. -- Scorpion0422 01:39, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. Legendotphoenix 01:40, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. However, don't threaten full protection over this unless someone gets into a revert war. Try using the Talkpage warning system and going through WP:AIV before going that far, OK? Rdfox 76 01:43, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The one user who I was reverting had added that date two or three times previously. -- Scorpion0422 01:44, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I gave him a uw-v2 warning on his talkpage. If he does it again, give him higher-level warnings. If he ignores the level-four warning, then report him to AIV. Full protection is for severe vandalism by multiple sockpuppets, or revert wars. Rdfox 76 01:54, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Being investigated as a Possible Murder-Suicide

[4]. With something this explosive, with no named source, or even an unnamed source I don't see how we can add it yet,but it's out there. SirFozzie 01:50, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I hope to god its not murder ♥Fighting for charming Love♥ 02:18, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]


That should be taken out of the article. The AJC is the ONLY paper I've seen reporting that. And the actual investigators...Lt. Tommy Pope of the local police said it was being investigated as a HOMICIDE. Period. No mention of suicide. Until the AJC's report is supported by someone else, or their sources are cited....that part should be removed. Abalu 02:28, 26 June 2007 (UTC)Abalu[reply]
I agree, and have removed it from the article. SirFozzie 02:33, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Also agreed - let's keep this out of the article until we can find more sources. Legendotphoenix 02:36, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Update: Is there ANYBODY who gets Atlanta stations that can confirm this? I just got this from someone who lives down there.

Local 10p news (WAGA-TV) is reporting that investigators have told them that, based on evidence found inside the home that they are not ready to disclose, they believe Benoit may have killed his wife & son a couple of days earlier before taking his own life sometime in the past 24 hours.

According to WAGA, the bodies were discovered by a neighbor today after WWE "promoters" were unable to reach the Benoits by phone. The bodies were found in separate rooms, Nancy in an office area, Daniel in an upstairs bedroom, and Chris in a weight room.

The latter part of that (the locations) were given on-camera by an investigator, the rest was from the reporter who did the stand up piece from the local sheriff's department.

(Bolding and signing) SirFozzie 02:40, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I hope that this is anything but the truth. Chris has always seemed like an honorable and respectful man as long as I've watched him wrestle, and to hear this kind of story disgusts me. Although to find out if this is the truth would probably sicken me even more. Let's just hope this is speculation at best, or some punk jackass talking out of his 4th point of contact... Mike 02:46, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
This whole thing seems very strange to me. Obviously it's not part of any storyline so that's out of the question. Earlier reports were postulating that it might of been some sort of homicide where some outside party killed all three of them and some reports now are postulating that it could of been a murder suicide thing where Benoit killed his family and then himself. Both scenarios seem basically impossible to me. Benoit was a fairly large and powerful person and there were no reports of any sort of struggle so it seems that given the circumstances the chances of some outside party coming in and murdering them all is very slim. I've been a fan of wrestling for several years and know numerous people who have met Benoit and all accounts say that he was a calm and peaceful person, very very nice. So it's impossible for me to conceive him murdering his family and then committing suicide. I'm not proposing any changes be made to the article right now, I just don't believe we should immediately put any sort of media postulations in the article at this early a state. Wikidudeman (talk) 02:49, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Well, ABC News is reporting the following (http://www.abcnews.go.com/Sports/story?id=3315501&page=1):
"There were no signs of gunshot wounds or stabbing, according to Pope. Authorities are not ruling out other causes, such as poisoning, suffocation, or strangulation. Pope told ABC News that his department is looking at this situation as a "possible double murder, suicide."
Pope said "the instruments of death were located on scene," but would not specify what those instruments are or where in the house the bodies were found. Pope added the department is "not actively searching for any suspects outside of the house." "
I think that fairly well sums it up, though of course this can't be confirmed by any other source thus far that I've found. Goofyman 02:52, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]


"the instruments of death"? That's awfully strange. Benoit was probably one of the most peaceful, clam and nice wrestlers there are, people there are. I simply can't phantom him being the culprit in these terrible events. I don't know much about his wife though. My initial assumptions was possibly some sort of food poisoning or maybe a gas leak that caused their deaths since I read other reports that the bodies were found in totally different parts of the house, His wife in her office, son in his bedroom and Benoit was in his weight room. Wikidudeman (talk) 02:58, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It's a righteous cite, however, since A) It's ABC News, B) We have a named person providing the information. I don't want it to be true, but this is a very righteous cite, :( SirFozzie 03:02, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I hate to sound like a dick, but this discussion is veering away from being relevant to the article. -- Scorpion0422 03:04, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's ok. Anyone have any problems with putting that paragraph in, since it is now well cited? SirFozzie 03:07, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Unfortunately we might as well, I just saw it noted on MSNBC. This really is a sad story. Mike 03:08, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
No dont not until tommorow. Wait for the cops to release more tommorow.Tyeman64 03:12, 26 June 2007 (UTC) 11:12 pm 6/25/2007[reply]
From WWE.Com -- "It has been ruled that the deaths of Chris Benoit, his wife Nancy and their son Daniel earlier today were the result of a double murder-suicide from within the home. WWE.com will have more as soon as it becomes available." Jezebel Parks 03:16, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wouldn't it be better for the time being to state that "the police were called to check on the welfare of..." instead of stating that said person or said company called them??? --TipoBarra 03:25, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think Wikipedia should just jump onto what news agencies or especially wwe.com says given the amount of inconsistency in their reports today. This article will no doubt continue to change all night and tomorrow and I believe we should simply mention that they were found dead in their home without reporting what news agencies are saying at this moment. Fully protected the article until new and solid information comes to light tomorrow or whenever. Wikidudeman (talk) 03:25, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
If you want to make the request at WP:RfPP, Wikidudeman, you certainly can, but with the amount of cites provided for that paragraph, I don't think there's any way A) We can take that paragraph out, and B) that you will get a Full Protect on the article. SirFozzie 03:30, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Why not? The page is being heavily vandalised by vandals who have accounts. -- Scorpion0422 03:32, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Because in cases where it's vandalism (and not an edit war), they do not full protect the page unless the volume of vandalism is so great that the regular editors cannot keep up with it. SirFozzie 03:38, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
But the article is being edited at such a fast and furious pace that whenever one tries to revert vandalism, they have edit conflicts or accidentally revert legitimate edits and vice versa. I think that qualifies as making it so that it is hard to keep up. -- Scorpion0422 03:58, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I argee with what SirFozzie is saying, but there needs be a certain protection. also, i feel that people need to write things in a way which is accurate, yet not speculative to what has happened. it is possible that they all died of an illness, or have been murdered. it is our role not to jump to conclusions, but to right accurate articles based on the facts we have. the informantion is not 100% reliable at the moment, as Wikidudeman correctly states, but i think there is enough information there to write summit accurate --TipoBarra 03:39, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
This Wikipedia:Autoconfirmed Proposal sure would come in handy right now... Wikidudeman (talk) 03:41, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Is this just vandalism?

Various users keep adding "Investigators believe that Benoit killed his wife and son over the weekend and then himself sometime on Monday although the cause is unknown" is that actually coming from somewhere, or is it just vandalism? -- Scorpion0422 03:32, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In the subject above, there's a news article posted that suggests the police have suspicion that that's what might have happened. Arrowny 03:34, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It's current media postulations that came from a detective on the case. Wikidudeman (talk) 03:38, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Regardless of whether you believe it should be included (I personally do, though it should definitely be made clear that there is still no official word on the situation), yes, the investigator did in fact say that it looks like Benoit murdered his wife and son before killing himself the following day. Jeff Silvers 03:55, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I have asked a couple fellow admins to take a look at it, protection wise and BLP wise. SirFozzie 04:14, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I have tried to add the word POSSIBLE to the murder-suicide phrase, as well as indicating that the autopsy is tomorrow, there likely wont be results for a couple weeks, but it doesn't appear that my edit is 'taking'. And ABC news had this on the cause of death: "There were no signs of gunshot wounds or stabbing, according to Pope. Authorities are not ruling out other causes, such as poisoning, suffocation or strangulation. Pope told ABC News that his department is looking at this situation as a "possible double murder, suicide." Bsbfan4alex 05:28, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, we can't use Wikipedia articles to disseminate speculation. I ask that people refrain from making such contributions. The article is already semi-protected, if it continues I might be forced to fully protect the article. Thank you.--Jersey Devil 04:22, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
So we can say that the investigator (and NAME the investigator) said it, but we cannot report it as fact. SirFozzie 04:23, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I think that might be reasonable but before added on it should have some kind of consensus from other users editing this article. So what do contributors think of SirFozzie's suggestion?--Jersey Devil 04:26, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

So long as it's attributed to a reliable source - and reported as such - I have no objection to including this as it represents the present state of the investigation. In another day, this will change, but it's supposed to be easy to revise this wikithingy anyway, so I don't see the problem. Rklawton 04:29, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. Obviously we can't just say "Benoit killed his wife and son," but it is important, notable, and verifiable that an investigator on the case has suggested it could've occurred that way. Jeff Silvers 04:49, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Likewise, reporting "news" from the WWE website isn't appropriate because they aren't a reliable source for the current state of the investigation. I trust local and national news sources to do a better job fact checking and a (purely) entertainment-based website. Rklawton 04:51, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

At the same time, the WWE is citing credible and knowledgeable news sources. A lot of the WWE's article about the murder-suicide can be written into :the article citing the WWE article. This is one of the very most rare of times where WWE.com is going to break kayfabe to break a legit news story. --Raderick 05:48, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Request Full Protection

Registered users such as 217mattq are editing the entry with profane or useless information (until the investigation is done). I think a request for full protection on the article needs to be implemented. GZAdmin 05:26, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, it's all wild speculation until an autopsy report comes out, and even after that I suspect there will be continued vandalism done even by registered users. IrisKawling 05:37, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Doesn't require full-protection, only a few cases of vandalism. Warn the users. — Moe ε 05:44, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Question: how is it that accounts only one minute old can edit this article? What's the time requirement for "newly created accounts"? Rklawton 06:00, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Doubt they were one minute old, some accounts are created and never used until situations like this. 4 days I believe is the requirement for "new" accounts. — Moe ε 06:05, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oh yeah, I'd read about that awhile back. I must be getting tired. Keep an eye on the article 'till I get back, will ya? And don't notify Office about anything k? Rklawton 06:08, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's been fully protected after some throw-away accounts were used to continue vandalizing the article. — Moe ε 06:08, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Since when has simple vandalism become a problem? Please semi-protect the article so that you may allow the free flow of information. Thanks. ~ UBeR 06:11, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Until there are more confirmed facts, additional entries are mere speculation. Full protection period is only 48hrs, by which point we should hopefully have more reliable information to add. Anything else that is noticed and requires correction can be mentioned here and corrected.  ALKIVAR™ ☢ 06:15, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I suppose you're right, The Australian, CNN, and the Associated Press are just tosh and unreliable. ~ UBeR 07:04, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Stylized

Should actually read "styled" in the first main paragraph I think. You don't stylize yourself on someone but you can style yourself on someone. Xobxela 06:18, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Correction made.  ALKIVAR™ ☢ 06:27, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The 4:01 June 25th post

That string needs to be returned. This place is not a democracy, but when everyone else disagrees with you, Moe, you should consider for a second that you might be wrong. That's a legit discussion to have (Wesleymullins 06:38, 26 June 2007 (UTC))[reply]

Then they can take it to the admin's noticeboard or to OFFICE, this talk page is for improving the article, not general comments about the subject. — Moe ε 06:43, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
From what I can see, it didn't really divulge anything as the user was anonymous. Here's the diff for reference: [5] east.718 06:51, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Anonymous or not, divulging IP information on ANY account without the account holders permission is in violation of the Wikimedia Foundation Privacy Policy.  ALKIVAR™ ☢ 06:54, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Then those references could be removed without taking down the whole thread (Wesleymullins 06:57, 26 June 2007 (UTC))[reply]
The conversation still doesn't belong here. Take it to OFFICE, take it AN/I, take it someplace that it fits that isn't here. — Moe ε 07:02, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Probable new categories

In light of recent events, I foresee the probable use of at least two new categories. "Category:Murderers of children" and "Category:Canadian murderers". While it is still "speculation", it will not be very long at all until he proven to be of murder and the murder of his child (he has already, obviously, been linked to these murders), there are no other suspects and it is unlikely his kid or his wife managed to kill this hulk of a man. So just be ready for these new categories here on the talk page rather than being shocked and appalled at seeing for the first time that your hero has been categorized as a child murderer on the article itself. JayKeaton 07:00, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The house was in Fayetteville

All reports are saying that the home was in Fayetteville, Georgia, not Atlanta, Georgia, as is posted in the opening section, the Death section and Persondata. Atlanta Journal-Constitution, AP. --Zimbabweed 07:06, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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