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TV Tome

Please see this diff. Matthew 14:14, March 23, 2007 (UTC)

Yoghurt

I want to start out by saying I'm really sorry that this happened - I did my best to stop it, but sadly I have been overruled by 4 people who are obsessed with name changing (regardless of whether or not I agree with them), and there is a new debate on the Yoghurt talk page about the move - I just felt it would be best if most people who had voted in the past knew about this.danielfolsom 00:02, 16 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Barrett & OR

Just because some editors can't tell the difference between OR and V, doesn't mean the article should suffer as a result. I don't understand you're perspective here. I'm not doing any OR. I'm just verifying information from a source, and no one has contended my conclusions. --Ronz 14:52, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

We can say that he claims to have written 50+ books, or that he's a named author in however many books he is a named author of, but we can't say that he's actually written 50+ books without doing the WP:OR to see what his contribution is. — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 19:18, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Correct. But, the original quote is simply, "His 50 books." We've verified the number of books, we can verify that he's listed as the author of the books though no one has asked. Instead, we've removed it. Why? My concern here is that it seems MaxPont and Levine2112 don't understand the difference between WP:V and WP:OR, and that if we're not clear on what we're doing, the entire article (and all of Wikipedia) is in jeopardy if such rationale is used elsewhere. --Ronz 21:59, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
At least MaxPont does admit it was NPOV: [1] -- Fyslee/talk 22:23, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Problematic IPs

I have just left the following message on the talk pages of the person. I suspect the misuse of these two IPs can justify them both being blocked for 3RR (5 reversions and one talk page comment):

Please register and remember to log-in instead of using at least these two IPs to make tag-team nonsensical edits:

-- Fyslee/talk 17:15, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, it's not 3RR yet, as the 4 edits of "134" are consecutive, making only 3 possible reversions. I gave them both 3RR warnings, and no additional changes have been made. As I made the warning, it's probably better for someone else to block if it comes up. — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 17:59, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Even when "them" is no doubt "one" person? That person is gaming the system and according to the first edit summary was too lazy to log in. -- Fyslee/talk 18:07, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It's still only 3 reverts, and the first one is unlikely to be precisely a revert. He/she/they stopped after my warning, at least, so we are forced to WP:AGF. — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 18:28, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Okay. -- Fyslee/talk 18:31, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sanjukta Paul

I think you might be right--I'm not sure if she actually is that notable. I got sucked in by the media hype around her beating. If you've read the sources I referenced and still don't think she qualifies, I'm okay with it. By the way, I borrowed your archive bot and user boxes for for my discussion page. I hope this isn't a breach of etiquette. Please let me know if it is. Chantoke 06:18, 18 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think you may have to request use of the archive-bot; it may not be automatic when including the template.
Go ahead and use the Userboxes (Userboxen?). There was a policy change sponsored by Jimbo that userboxes are to be depreciated, and, with the exception of Babelboxes and WikiProject boxes, and possibly a few others (Admin?), should live in userspace. — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 14:00, 18 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Talk:Hawaiian English

I fixed the redirect to Talk:Hawaiian Pidgin and merged the talk page. —Viriditas | Talk 03:54, 21 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

To meet your request for a preservation of the page history, I have moved the old article to Talk:Hawaiian Pidgin/Hawaiian English. This move preserves the page history and maintains the old discussion as an archive of the new page. —Viriditas | Talk 06:11, 21 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I've also added the following information to the top of the redirect:
The original discussion and page history for this talk page can be found at Talk:Hawaiian Pidgin/Hawaiian English
Please notice the link to the page history and the current page history are intact in the subpage location. —Viriditas | Talk 06:25, 21 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yoghurt (again)

Since the discussion on yoghurt talk page appears to have been closed, I'll reply to you here. You said the following:

"It's not a question of national dialects any more; the (h) is not the preferred spelling in any English-speaking country. That's a reason to move the article. — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 03:43, 21 May 2007 (UTC)"[reply]

You are not correct there; as I pointed out to you further up that page the other day:

"I think you have been confused by the use of "yogurt" by the Oxford English Dictionary. "OED English" is regarded as a language variant of its own, and does not entirely reflect common UK English usage. "Yoghurt" is by far the most common spelling in the United Kingdom, Australia, New Zealand and South Africa, at the minimum. - Mark 10:41, 19 May 2007 (UTC)"

Where did you get the impression that yoghurt wasn't the preferred spelling in "any English-speaing country"? - Mark 04:07, 21 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Bowers-style acronyms

You initiated, apparently, the deletion of this useful information the last time. Now User:Weregerbil is trying to prevent me from putting it in the Uniform polyhedron article, which is the best place for it if it can't have its own article. See Talk:Uniform polyhedron. The way, the truth, and the light 06:33, 21 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Million

Can you please give me some more information than "wrong again"? WP:V explicitly details that "Editors adding or restoring material should cite a reliable source, or it may be challenged or removed by any editor." WP:V is one of the three founding policies of Wikipedia so there needs to be a better reason than your personal disagreement for you to subvert it. I invite you to challenge that policy on the policy talk page if you think it needs to be overturned. Remy B 09:49, 21 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Simple mathematical facts which can be cited (such as from OEIS) do not need to be cited. If you like, we can have all WikiProject Numbers aricles reference OEIS. There's no question that the statements you're removing from the article are true; there may be questions of appropriateness or notability, but not of verifiability. — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 21:04, 21 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure you have even read over the list. The majority have been given terms that are not self-evident, and some are even cultural references. Most don't even say what the terms mean, so they could be completely made up. The only ones that are obviously true are the ones that treat Wikipedia as a calculator instead of an encyclopedia (eg. 2^20 = 1048576). Anything not as self-evident as a trivial calculation can rightfully be challenged and removed per WP:V. Remy B 04:17, 22 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
You can discuss removing individual entries from the list, but removing the whole list on the grounds that some of the entries are unsourced seems to be WP:POINTed. — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 16:25, 22 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

viet scientists

I have grave doubts about them too, but just as you say the articles do have context, & in my view they also do assert N by mentioning published works, etc. My guess is that prod as hoax fits them best, but if the tag will be removed, then AfD. I await your advice. DGG 23:52, 22 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The guideline WP:PROF would require more than just a few publications. But, I'm afraid that's not a speedy criteron. Now, a chemist named Eun Woo Shin clearly exists, but apparently was a research associate at University of Wisconsin - Madison in 2003 and 2004, which is not even a tenure track position. He doesn't seem to be there currently. [2]. I think the {{db-nocontext}} assertion is that the article(s) conflate(s) multiple people of the same name, some with one claim to notability, and some with another, leaving no one notable person. I don't think I agree, but I don't see a claim of notability in Eun Woo Shin. I've got too many AfD's in the fire to start another one now, especially since I'm going to have limited net access from May 25 through May 29. — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 00:14, 23 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Eun Whoo Shin

Dear Arthur i am impressed with your recent posting Datum on the Eun Whoo Shin talk page and may i suggest you post it here also Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/tomcusack as the editor responsible for creating this article has nominated himself to become an admin and i really think that the creater of articles such nonsense and obvious incorrectness as this should not become an administrator. CDuck2 10:11, 23 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]


The next steps at Stephen Barrett

With the mediation halted, I have put together a compromise in the spirit of good faith here. I know there are other steps of WP:DR we can go through, including another attempt at mediation, but I am hoping we can all settle this amongst ourselves. I would appreciate your opinion on the compromise and/or your ideas of what the next steps may be. Thanks. -- Levine2112 discuss 18:57, 23 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Your deletion of my definition of the term "intelligence"

Thank you for your remark. I am new at editing on Wikipedia. I did not have any bad intention at all. If I ask you a question. Did you understand that definition and if you did, would you please tell me what was wrong with it? I will appreciate it a lot. Regards,

L. Badi —The preceding unsigned comment was added by LeonardBadi (talk • contribs) 11:21, May 24, 2007 (UTC)

You may be a prominent researcher, which that section of the article was intended for. I really don't know, but there's isn't a Wikipedia article about you, which suggests your comments should not be in that section. You might also check WP:AUTO is to what you should be writing about yourself. No offense intended.
If you end your post on Talk or comment pages with ~~~~, it automatically signs your name so others can see who left comments. You don't do that on articles, but it's strongly encouraged on talk pages.
— Arthur Rubin | (talk) 14:04, 24 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Robin Williams' Half-Sibling

Hi,

I have a problem with the information on Robin Williams' Wikipedia page:

"He has two half-siblings: Laura, on his mother's side, and Todd on his father's side."

Whoever wrote this information in the article is incorrect. I've tried to correct it on May 22, 2007 but it didn't last one day, due to your revision back to the original information.

The inaccuracy lies with "Laura" the half-sibling. Laurie (not Laura) is Robin Williams' mother, not his half-sibling. Robin's half-sibling on his mother's side is named McLaurin Smith-Williams. He was born by Laurie Smith (Robin's mother) before Laurie Smith and her 2nd husband Robert Fitzgerald Williams were married and had Robin Williams.

McLaurin Smith-Williams is currently (as of May 2007) a High School Physics teacher at Christian Brothers High School in Memphis, Tennessee. I know this information because he was my teacher from 1995-1996 and told us on the first day of class. (He even was invited to attend The Birdcage premier in 1996 out in Hollywood but wouldn't go due to his teaching obligations).

I was SGA president of Christian Brothers High School from 1995-1996. Call the school at 901-682-7801 and ask to speak to Brother Chris Englert, who is the current principal, to consult my alumni status if you wish to question my background. I currently serve as a director on the alumni board: http://www.cbhs.org/alumni/Officers.aspx

The link to the school's website faculty list with McLaurin Smith-Williams' contact information is: http://www.cbhs.org/faculty.aspx

His phone number is: 901-682-7801 ex550

His email address is: macsmith@cbhs.org

Here is another site that includes the family of Robin Williams father, Robert Fitzgerald Williams of Tiburon: http://www.sfgenealogy.com/boards/mcobits/messages/4142.html

After going to http://www.amazon.com and reading an excerpt on page 8 from Robin Williams: A Biography by Andy Dougan, it correctly has Robin's other half-sibling (not Todd) as Lauren (incorrect spelling as it is McLaurin) who is 4 years older than Robin. The link is: http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/1560252138/ref=sib_dp_pt/105-2920495-9176435#reader-link

Do you have proof that "Laura" is in fact Robin's half-sibling on his mother's side? If so, please cite the reference. I am curious. If there is no reference to cite then there should be no mention of a "Laura" in the article.

Thank you.

Also, on another note, what does reference 3 (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5602441) on Robin Williams' page have anything to do with the citation of the preceding sentences ("He described himself as a quiet child whose first imitation was of his grandmother to his mom. He did not overcome his shyness until he became involved with his high school drama department.") in the article? It is a reference to Robin's movie The Night Listener and has nothing to do with this section of the article.

U2clay 06:24, 26 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]


There's a lot of vandalism in the Robin Williams article. If I accidently reverted your changes while I reverted the vandalism, I apologize. — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 15:15, 26 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Possible article?

Is there any rule that forbids this from becoming a regular article/list?:

The title can be changed if necessary. Other encyclopedias have such galleries as a resource. Please reply on my talk page. -- Fyslee/talk 07:05, 25 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

problem with rude users

Hello

We have "met" on the discussion about "infinitesimal". I am the one who signs odonovanr and my user page will tell you that my real name is Richard O'Donovan. Even though my name is Irish I am not completely native speaker which explains why my contributions may need editing. Still, we have the problem of a very rude contributer to the discussion, unwilling to understand (or incapable of proving his/her point). People like that could make the whole wikipedia project crash. As you seem to be a long term wikipedian, do you know how we can protect the project against such interference? I don't mind being proven wrong, but I can't accept that we are told repeatedly that we are writing BS and no proof is given. And the discussion is getting us nowhere. And it could discourage other contributions. Odonovanr 08:12, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Many of your contributions to infinitesimal, including your last, have been original research, as we define it. However, there is no excuse for rudeness, including my own. Remember that Wikipedia is "the encyclopedia anyone can edit", and "anyone" includes rude people. — Arthur Rubin | (ta;k) 15:25, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Well the last one was not supposed to be original research but more of a pedagogical presentation. But maybe even that should not be in the article. I accept the idea. In the discussion you say the the real reals contain no infinitesimals, hum... well I have noticed that many people (including many mathematicians who haven't really studied set theory in depth) consider that, yes, there are reals which are infinitely close to each other. Of course, this kind of intuition is not followed by some sort of formalisation. Just to say that the real reals are not clearly the same to all. And of course, Nelson and Hrbacek do provide formal constructions where infinitesimals exist in the reals. Thanks for the editing. — Odonovanr 16:58, 4 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Prakash Vir Shastri Avenue

Arthur, I don't see that one of the A 7 specifications is nn streets or roads, just "person, group of people, band, club, company, or website" , so I removed the db tag. I think this may be one that would need AfD if you want to press it. DGG 19:01, 1 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Archimedes Plutonium

Before someone lambastes you for being woefully unacquainted with the spirit underlying BLP and unappreciative of the plain consensus that exists for our editing in consideration of such spirit (that is, after all, the objection increasingly levelled at any admin who objects to the speedy deletion of a BLP, although surely not by me), I should note that it is no longer explicity our policy that we accord no consideration to the request of a biographical subject that we delete an article about him; since 1 May, in fact, BLP has contained a deletion standards section to the effect that a subject's desire that his article be deleted ought to be considered by an admin closing an AfD/considering speedy deletion. To be sure, I think that provision to be quite pernicious, and I am not at all sure that that it commands the support of the community at present—its procedural history, in brief: it was added, edit warring ensued, discussion was undertaken, edit warring continued, the page was protected with the offending paragraph, the page was unprotected several days later and there followed soon thereafter sundry other more significant changes, such that the subject requests deletion provision was ultimately forgotten (though perhaps tacitly acceded to)—but it appears that we are not categorically to discount a subject's wishes (neither, of course, as some fail to realize, are we to permit those wishes to override all else).

Relatedly, if you want to be a bit rouge but nevertheless to avoid wheel warring, you might consider undeleting the history of the AP article; a consensus appears to exist at DRV for the history's being undeleted in order that it might be considered by those partaking of AfD, and I do not, further, see any real objections to (at least temporary) history undeletion, which has recently been suggested by Doc as generally a good way to deal with AfDs/DRVs on articles deleted pursuant to BLP. Cheers, Joe 05:24, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

2150

Greetings!

I posted the updates to 2150 on Wikipedia. Could you explain the bias removal to me so I can better expand what the author wrote in his book. I thought I accurately and dispassionately represented his book.

Hadan Kauffman hadan@verizon.net

First, you should sign with a handle, rather than an E-mail address. Second, claims of "accuracy" are premature, as noted in my first edit today. Third, "interesting", "remarkably easy", and "ideal" clearly take a point of view, although "Utopia", which is related to "ideal", may be acceptable. But, even if the unnecessary adjectives and adverbs were removed, the paragraph is written as if the society pictured were real. We should only describe it as described in the book. — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 15:31, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Reverse 3 sign

Mr Rubin, your assumption regarding the acknowledged shorthand for aortic aneurysm was incorrect. This is a fairly common shorthand for the pathognomonic x-ray sign for aortic aneurysm among radiology professionals. Please be cautious in your deletion suggestions in the future (ie. actually look at the references that you are contesting). Thanks. Chantoke 03:11, 4 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Addendum: I included some more easily accessible links from online texts on Amazon. You can enter the phrase to find the locations in these books where the same sign is mentioned. As you are one of the more responsible and proactive members of Wikipedia, I have taken your suggestions very seriously in the past. Please be cautious with your deletion suggestions in the future.

And with regard to your other deletion suggestions--all because you cannot click on a reference does not mean it does not exist. And you definitely are not looking at all of the references when you suggest deletions. Please be more thorough. Chantoke 03:26, 4 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, all I can say is Wikipedia is not a medical dictionary. I think it would be proper to suggest deletion of most of your definitions of medical terms, when nothing else can be said about them other than in a doctor-patient relationship. I accepted "clean margin", even though your naming clearly violates Wikipedia naming conventions. — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 14:32, 4 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I am always looking to learn. Could you please direct me to a link that shows appropriate naming conventions on Wikipedia? That is to say, I believe if you want to merge 'clean margin' into the 'surgical oncology' article, I am okay with that as I can see your logic. But I am still learning. How would I do that. Thanks. Chantoke 23:26, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Addendum: Okay, I reviewed the information and agree with most of the proposed changes. I must concede your advice was helpful. However, I wish you had contacted me before directly proposing these articles for deletion. I will confine my responses to their 'deletion discussion' pages. Specifically, I am unsure of how to respond to your criticism of my Prakash Vir Shastri Avenue entry. It seems like the consensus is to keep. I can link you to the Hindi page that talks about the article too if that's kosher. Please advise. Chantoke 23:57, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I apologize if my actions were spamming. I am relatively new to the community and am ignorant of many of the procedures. I will do my best to behave according to Wikipedia guidelines.

However I believe that I have a case to be made.

Can you please explain to me precisely how http://famguardian.org/PublishedAuthors/Govt/IRS/friv_tax_rebuts.pdf does not comply with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:EL. The pdf article lists reliable references within the article. It is no less reliable than the IRS article. The famguardian rebuttal is in fact a treatise on how the IRS article is NOT a valid reliable source. Therefore, more proof than a .gov domain is requested.


Furthermore, the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:RS itself violates http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability. You cannot verify that something is "generally reliable."

Nevertheless, on the page itself it states "This page is considered a guideline on Wikipedia. It is generally accepted among editors and is considered a standard that all users should follow. However, it is not set in stone and should be treated with common sense and the occasional exception."

Therefore, your position is referring to a guideline, not a rule. So I submit that since the IRS article is allowed, a link to the rebuttal of said IRS article should also be allowed. If the rebuttal should not be allowed, then let's remove the IRS link.




Are you going to reply to me Arthur?

You have no case. The IRS site would be relevant as the "official response" to the claims made in the film, even if it were not considered generally reliable. (Note the conditional tense. It is considered generally reliable.) famguardian has no official status nor reputable claim of accuracy. It might be includable as a link or a reference if the film referred to it, but not only because it comments on the film or the claims in the film.

Usenutters

No offense, Arthur, but do you really think your post on the AP AFD is appropriate? Surely it serves to confirm what the "delete" crowd already believes: the purpose is to poke fun at AP. (To be sure, when I first read "usenetter", I thought "usenutter" too!) Phiwum 18:28, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

But he's a notable usenutter. I see your point, though. — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 20:11, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed. But I gotta say, he's no James S. Harris. Maybe AP is more notable for historical reasons, but for pure entertainment, I want my JSH! Phiwum 21:01, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
You're probably already aware of this, but I imagine it can't hurt to let you know: AP is now at DRV, viz., here. Joe 18:49, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Tran Hon Viet

Recently you seem to have undone the removal of all the unsourced material from the Tran Hong Viet article by the orignal author. He has recently explained to me that the whole page was a hoax, see my talk page for the full conversation, and i asked him to remove the unsourced material. Seeing as the author actually said the article was a hoax and did himself remove anything untrue i believe that your revert to the presvious version should be undone. I will be interested to hear your views on the subject, thankyou. CDuck2 16:08, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Some (marginally) sourced material was removed, while some probable copyright violations (quoted as "Professor Viet only recently returned to his research...") which may also be a quote from Omni, which should also be considered unsourced, were retained. The {{hoax}} and {{copypaste}} tags were also removed. But, I see that most of the removals were of unsourced material, so I'll edit back from the trimmed version. — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 16:20, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for that. i realise it is still a poor article that infringes copy write but at least it doesn't have the blatant unsourced nonsence and is at least mostly factual. Perhaps it could be improved by linking it to the Nguoi Rung or Vietnamese Forest People article instead of the copied and pasted section on them from http://coombs.anu.edu.au/~vern/wildman.html. CDuck2 17:10, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Admin advise to User:Mathsci

Dear Admin, please friendly discuss the issue with User:Mathsci and my only request is that the mentioned user stops the personal war against me. See for his obvious mathematical error at Talk:Andrica's_conjecture, with excerpt taken from Mathsci's post, where he defines wrongly the Smarandache constant as being "the solution of the equation ", which is NOT the correct definition, despite of the fact that Smarandache constant happens to be solution of exactly this equation. Person who cannot understand the difference between generalized conjecture, and private case, is hardly suspicious to be non-professional mathematician at first place. Even in case if he is mathematician, still he cannot offend elsewhere me, and conclude "obviously you are either ill or on medication". I have never seen such a mathematician to make math error and then not to confess, if you know him as being real mathematician the mentioned user will be real shame for the math society. Regards, Danko Georgiev MD 08:57, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism?

Have you seen the logo in all caps it spells ZION. i jsut think that is a little weird, read half the stuff on that page, it's all theories but at least the olympic symbol can be found and seen.--130.108.192.199 05:24, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Try editing it into the item on the Olympic Games, rather than about the year. Even if it were correct, it wouldn't belong in 2012. — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 06:35, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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