Talk:List of ninjutsu in Naruto (S-Z)

This article was nominated for deletion on 9/1/2007. The result of the discussion was keep.

Rasengan Inconsistencies

When does kakashi use rasengan? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.99.78.199 (talk)

Chapter 321 of the manga. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 20:45, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

This should be listed in the article then, first I've heard of it. Any thoughts on why Kakashi would choose to use Chidori over Rasengan? It does make sense he would know it though, since it was the Fourth's technique, and he taught it to Jiraiya, he could have just as easily taught it to his pupil Kakashi. Tyciol 13:27, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

I have a question. Kabuto. It mentions in this article that Naruto did something similar to how he threw the Rasengan in the filler arc when facing Kabuto. I don't believe he THREW it at Kabuto, can anyone verify? From what I remember, he hit him with it, and then Kabuto went flying back, the same thing that happens to anyone you actually hit with it, like those punks Jiraiya smacked. Tyciol 13:27, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

I said it would probably be Spiral Wave in Uzumaki Chronicles but I don't know or believe that for sure but let's just leave it at Spiral Wave (with tentative) until the the long awaited truth is revealed but there is still nothing yet on One Thousand Bird (but I'll see if I can do something about it by geting Ninja Council 2), Partial Expansion Jutsu (fan name I made especialy for speculation), etc. that is if they have them (I can bet a 99% out of 100% that One Thousand Bird will be used and also a 99% out of 100% chance of them having the Jutsus because it would be hard to replace them). SoundPound500000 6:18 or so October 19, 2006.

If you don't know for sure then don't add it. We don't guess ahead of time. When we know the name, we'll add it. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 23:24, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

You gotta alot of people to talk to. You think i'm guessing ahead, (it really is tenative but they don't know I don't know, one knows) there are people who ar throwing in stuff from episodes and games not until 1 to 2 years from now like "Ultimate Hyuuga Style Taijutsu: Eight Trigarams 361 Palm Blast" (Eight Trgrams 361 Style) and other stuff.

Then fix it, don't compound the error by adding even more nonsense. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 03:51, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

I got it. It's called Power Strike, thanks to a Gamespot gameplay video. SoundPound500000 10/28/06 7:34

Where does it show in Part II that Naruto can use the Spiraling Sphere one-handed? I don't see it anywhere. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.72.98.139 (talk)

While he's training, such as in chapter 329. Looking at it though, it's not quite as clear that he's doing it by himself as I remembered it being, so its a debatable point. If he ends up being able to use the new Spiraling Sphere with one hand, though, then that should indicate he can do the old one by himself. ~SnapperTo 04:53, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, but that will never happen because he needs two clones to do the new Spiraling Sphere. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.72.98.139 (talk)

Oh? The only time he's used it thus far there has been only one hand in the panel. That doesn't dismiss the use of clones, but it doesn't indicate he needs them either. And yes, I am aware that he needed clones to make the jutsu. But maybe he magically got some talent while making the new Spiraling Sphere? ~SnapperTo 07:59, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, anyway, the point is, since it's not a sure thing and is debateable it shouldn't be put down until it's 100% sure.

You can see Naruto's hundred's of clones doing the same thing, so he's clearly capable of doing it one-handed. Not a one of them had a clone nearby helping, and he only gets the idea to use his clones after it is suggested by Kakashi. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 08:00, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

You're obviously not paying close enough attention. Before Kakashi's suggestion he would make a Spiraling Sphere regularly with TWO clones then have a few more clones try to combine Wind Chakra with it. You're confusing the Spiraling Spheres. He still needs two to make a normal one, then a third for the nature element one. Every time he's used it in battle he's had a clone help him.

He says that he learned how to do it by using a clone, not that he still does. You can see him and his clones doing it in at least two different chapters. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 08:18, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

He explains that like in Kakashi's example he has each clone doing a different thing. He splits the focus among the clones so it requires less concentration on his part which is why he couldn't do it in the first place. He needs the clones or he cannot make it. Also this is mostly about the new Spiraling sphere. For the old A-Ranked one introduced in the Part I series he needs a clone and in Part II he still needs the clone because in every chapter he has ever used the move he's needed a clone. In chapters 322 and 328, the only times we see him use it in training, he has used a clone to form it. In 328 it's debateable since it's aready formed when the chapter starts, but if it's debateable, we don't know it for sure and thus shouldn't post it. Also he was in Kyuubi-mode and we all know that he can make a one-handed Spiraling Sphere using the Kyuubi-shell, so there's that explanation as well. Therefore there is too much evidence against him being able to do the technique one-handed.

After the time-skip, Naruto is capable of forming rasengan without the help of his clone, but he does not do it due to several advantageous reasons: to fool an enemy that a clone is needed to do the jutsu, a clone could be used for defensive purposes if an enemy suddenly attacks while the jutsu is being made and for intimidating purposes. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Narutoino (talk • contribs) 09:43, 25 February 2007 (UTC).

When will Kakashi use the Rasengan? The Fifth (or someone else) mentioned that only the Fourth & Jiraiya could use the Rasengan. Kakashi could use the jutsu due to his copying ability, but would not use it on battle since it would mean disrespecting the Fourth.

If you want to get technical, the jutsu could be used by anybody with the right amount of chakra control and capacity, since all Rasengan is is just a huge concentration of chakra. It requires no hand seals, so there's nothing for the Sharingan to copy. Kakashi won't use it only because he doesn't exactly have a lot of chakra capacity, as he said during the second bell test.

And the final argument in the Does-Naruto-need-a-clone-for-Rasengan debate: He NEVER needed a clone for the regular Rasengan. All he needed was two HANDS, not two BODIES. He just favoured using a clone to help him with making it since the fight with Kabuto since it frees up his other hand to do other things (e.g. hold Kabuto down). -- Seraphchoir 13:47, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

He actually needs three. When he was training to learn it he used two hands and couldn't complete it, but with a clone's TWO hands to help him, he can do it. So you're right in saying he doesn't NEED a clone per say, but he needs three hands to do it, and the only way to do that is with a clone. In Part II he has never shown the ability to do the Rasengan one-handed. They've shown him many times without a clone, but they've never shown him FORMING it one-handed, but they have shown him FORMING it with a clone. Plus he's never, at any point, stated he could do it one-handed, so you can't make the assumption he can. Maybe he can, but its never been stated in the manga or Databooks so it shouldn't be in the article.

Kage Bunshin & Doujutsu

The scene in which Sasuke saw through Naruto's Kage Bunshin with the Sharingan was anime filler, and did not occur in the manga. Shouldn't this be made clear? The only instance in the manga where the Sharingan has seen through a Kage Bunshin was during Kakashi's first bout with Itachi; but, Itachi was using the Bunshin Daibakuha at that time which could have allowed Kakashi to anticipate it. It wouldn't make sense for the Sharingan to be able to see through what the Byakugan could not, as the Byakugan has been made out to be far superior to the Sharingan as an eye of insight/observation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.205.130.190 (talk)

A good theory could be that the Byakugan can see the chakra coil system, and since Kage Bunshin's are real, it would also see those. The sharingan can copy techniques, and therefore probably knows when a technique is used, and so Sasuke can probably tell Naruto is using a jutsu. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.192.77.222 (talk)

That Naruto is using Kage Bunshin, you mean? The Byakugan would see that too. I was more referring to the fact that the Sharingan was made out(in this filler segment) to be able to distinguish Kage Bunshin from the real body as it was already performed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.205.130.190 (talk)

But if we look back at the original abilities of the Sharingan, it is said that it could see through ninjutsu, taijutsu, and genjutsu as well as copy it. So it is highly likely that a Sharingan user can, in fact, distinguish a Kage Bunshin from the original. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leargo (talk • contribs)

Was there an actual scene of Sasuke seeing through Naruto's kage bunshin with the Sharingan? I only remember Sasuke toughtalking. He didn't even prove it. This is not canon, it is anime filler. If the Byakugan can't do it, the Sharigan (having lesser powers of insight and perception) can't either. This should be made clear in the article. --Lionelster 16:41, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

It annoys me when people discount any minor detail simply because the original work didn't elaborate on it. There's no statement anywhere that says the anime isn't canon, so your argument holds no weight. It's been reworded for the possibility of him bluffing, anyway. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 16:58, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

It is not a minor detail, guy. It makes a whole lot of difference in a Sharingan vs Kage Bunshin encounter. As for whether anime is or isn't canon, well look: where there is inconsistency between the manga and anime, popular opinion holds that the original work, i.e. the manga, takes precedence. That's where the weight of my argument comes from. Yes, fortunately for the both of us, it's been reworded to address the inconsistency. --Lionelster 18:02, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

This all was explained already over the course of the series, so I'll clarify one more time. It was originally explained at the beginning of the series that Kage Bunshin no Jutsu was forbidden due to the chakra strain put on the user. Specifically, all remaining chakra is evenly split between the user and the user's clones. Byakugan allows a user to see the chakra systems of their opponents, however, since a Kage Bunshin technically has an identical chakra system to the user, it is impossible to tell the difference. That was all explained during Neji vs. Naruto, go back and watch it.

This brings us to Sharingan. It was explained at the Valley at the End that the Sharingan is different from Byakugan in its' ability to pay attention to detail. Sasuke caught the very subtle differences in Naruto as opposed to his clones, therefore he knew which was the real Naruto (and thus which one to hit.) Note, this is NOT a filler, this is a cannonical episode (The final showdown of the series) and thus it does apply. Any questions? Payneos 19:36, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Canonical episode or not, it was information+scene+dialogue that did not exist in the manga, therefore was completely invented for the anime. Invented/approved by Kishimoto himself? That's the only question I need to ask. You do realize the danger of contradicting the original work when anime writers make stuff up far enough without the original author's consultation.

It's not the first time a "canonical episode" gets a little extra, of course. In the Hokage battle there are scenes, sequences and jutsus that only happened in the anime -- "filler" bits as I'd call them. Fortunately, these bits are inconsequential. That means they had no effect on the outcome, and the story. But it does for whether the Sharingan can detect Kage Bunshin or not. The results of an encounter would become immediately decided.

If the anime writers made such a detail to be true, it has to affect all future Sharingan vs Kage Bunshin encounters. But since the manga made no mention of this very significant detail, it can't be true, and all encounters work out to reflect that.

Guess what! Sasuke has never been shown, in anime or manga, to specifically "find" the real Naruto, a key effort that would decide a battle's outcome. How differently from a Byakugan user has a Sharingan user acted against Kage Bunshin? None at all actually.

Now to address your misjudgement of the Byakugan. Attention to detail is what insight means as depicted in the manga/anime, and the Byakugan outperforms the Sharingan in insight, so says Kakashi. Neji used Byakugan to read Hinata's thoughts simply by observing her eye movements. How's that for attention to detail?

And finally your misjudgement of the Kage Bunshin. They are actual copies of the user. So what subtle differences are there, really? Does a Naruto clone move, look or behave slightly differently from the real Naruto? Sasuke never said so. You're vastly overestimating the Sharingan saying it can tell the difference between a clone and the real user when there's virtually none. The only way to truly tell is when the clone goes poof!

Conclusion from the evidence: Sasuke was bluffing, or the writers got way ahead of themselves. --Lionelster 11:53, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Original research. Now matter how much you complain, that's all your complaints are. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 16:42, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

What did I say about Kage Bunshin? You guys speculate that clones appear subtly different from user, then speculate the Sharingan's "analytical properties" and "attention to detail" as a way to explain how it can detect clones (maybe that should be deleted). Fan speculation = original research too, back at ya. And don't even think completely dismissing people's comments like that is cool. --Lionelster 20:02, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

It's easier than bothering with your rants about canon/non-canon. "Analytical properties" and "attention to detail" are exactly how it could tell. Sasuke could simply pinpoint the source body. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 20:05, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

You have some nerve. It's no rant, I did my bit of "research". If you want to insist I'm ranting, accept that you are ranting yourself. Pinpoint the source body? You still have something glaringly missing: proof. --Lionelster 20:53, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Also, just to jab a hole in your theory up there, Neji's ability to read Hinata was because of his own intelligence, not any power the Byakugan has. The Sharingan's analytical abilities far surpass that of the Byakugan, because it does so without being prompted. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 20:13, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Sure, why not his own intelligence. And I agree on the Sharingan's auto-analyse function (i.e. it has it's own independent "intelligence" at work), I'm sure that's what you mean. Still, back on topic, what clone/user difference is there to analyse when there is none? Again, no proof of such a thing. --Lionelster 20:53, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

There is one thing some of you guys are missing... Byakugans properties are: 360 degree field of vision with a 1 degree blind spot, telescopic vision, x-ray vision, etherial vision, thermographic vision (filler), increaced perception. It doesn't state ANYTHING about being able to see through techniques. Sharingan properties: Copying ability, astral vision, increased perception, clairvoyance, hypnosis, see through nin, tai, & genjutsu. Note that a Kage Bunshin is a, via a technique (jutsu) created, real physical copy of the original user, thus it classifies as a ninjutsu, which the Sharingan, but NOT the Byakugan, can see through. Either you accept these simple facts, or you can, at the very least, accept that you're in denial. 81.224.28.214 23:37, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

That analysis makes sense. The problem seems to be that it doesn't work in reality. If Sasuke can tell which are the clones, for example, during the fight on the hospital roof, why bother vapourising a load of them when he knows where the real Naruto is? Perhaps he can't reach Naruto when the clones are there, but Sasuke's prodigious skills seem enough to avoid them. Retlor 21:15, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Exactly. So who's the one in denial?

I'm sorry, I see those on the flip side of the debate as wishful thinkers drawing from their own elaborate inferences, and the side I'm on as all about objective evidence. I will stand by my assertion, but then sigh, so will you and yours. Because this is frankly stupid stuff to argue about, I'm willing to call it a truce and say WHO THE HELL KNOWS (UNTIL OFFICIALLY PROVEN). Simple. --Lionelster 16:17, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Shadow Clones

I highly doubt that all Jonin know how to create Shadow Clones, and I wouldn't go so far as to say most of them can, either.

• Temari, Kankuro, and Neji are three Jonin that we already know can't use them.
• Kurenai and Asuma most likely do not, as they probably would have done so in their vs. Akatsuki fight, rather than waiting for Kakashi to come and do so.
• Guy probably does not; although he prefers to use Taijutsu to Ninjutsu, Clones are ideal for close-range fighting.
• Water Clones seems to be the replacement for Shadow Clones in water-aligned countries (ex: Land of Water, Land of Rain), which implies that their nations don't use Shadow Clones.
• Many other Jonin in the series that at one point or another fought Naruto or were otherwise outnumbred (Sound Four, Genma and Raido, etc) would have probably used Shadow Clones in that situation while they did not have the upper hand.

I'm replacing the phrase on the article with "some Jonin." You Can't See Me! 02:24, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

You may want to double check Maito Gai's abilities. On the Might Guy article someone wrote that he has used Kage Bunshin, albeit in the filler arc. I'm questioning that now, can you go there too? Tyciol 13:31, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

I dono if its totaly right to say that they dont know how to use kage bunshin. I think that they just choose not to beacuse it would use too much chakra. Its a forbidin jutsu for a reason. Not every one is blessed with a high amount of chakra.BLaCk 19:04, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Since when is it a forbidden jutsu? It's not, it's a secret jutsu. Forbidden is stuff like Orochimaru's soul swapping and dead ressurection techniques. Tyciol 13:31, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

The shinobi that we have seen use kagebunshin are those with a high amount of chakra, kakashi, itachi, kisame, naruto, etc... The Jonin that havnt used it in battle are those that know that they have a limited amount of chakra so it would be is used with other jutsu or have other jutsu in there arsenal that is more effective but cost a lot of chakra.BLaCk 21:28, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

We can't assume that the Jounin must know it and just don't choose to do it. What implies they know it? Even if they had access, they might not want to or be able to learn it. Also, if they never have the chakra to activate it, they could never learn it in the first place. Tyciol 13:31, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

The use of Kage Bunshin results in your chakra being split in half... I can't see why anyone would choose to do that, unless he has an absurdly high amount of chakra, or he has a specific reason for which he wants to use them. But it's a fairly simple technique, considering Naruto learnt it by himself, so there is no reason to think jounin-level ninjas wouldn't know it. It's mere speculation though, so I suggest they are removed from the list, and replaced with Itachi, who does know the jutsu. See below my argument about it. Zabooza 22:33, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

It's not necessarily split "in half". You could only give the shadow clone 1% of your chakra. What boggles the mind is why this technique is "forbidden".--Marhawkman 23:22, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

UH, no, that's not how it works. Chakra is divided evenly between every clone without exception. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 23:25, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Was it ever explicitly stated that creating shadow clones requires you to split your chakra evenly betweent hem?--Marhawkman 01:04, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Hmm, good question. How about:

1. By Neji when fighting Naruto?
2. By the ANBU watching the Hokages battle?
3. By the databooks?

That satisfy you? — Someguy0830 (T | C) 01:42, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

The one against Neji is part of what I'm wondering about. The way it was mentioned in the english anime makes it seem like splitting chakra evenly was something Naruto had to concentrate to do.

BTW what do the Databooks say about it?--Marhawkman 03:17, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Exactly what the first part of the entry says. Chakra is divided evenly. It's not a matter of choice. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 03:19, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Can you verify that it specifies evenly?--Marhawkman 17:45, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Like I said, the series verifies it at at least three different points. Read any of those parts of the manga or reevant episodes for your proof. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 17:49, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Let's see if I've got this right(Naruto vs. Neji): "since his chakra is split evenly". Isn't that what was said in the anime?--Marhawkman 21:29, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

The ANBU are more specific about it, but that's the gist of it. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 21:54, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Summoning: Impure World Resurrection

I'm a bit worried about the line "Presumably, the Fourth was in this coffin, which is supported by the symbol on the coffin (see image), but this is contradicted by facts introduced later in the battle." It's fairly obvious and safe to assume Yondaime's corpse was in the coffin, but I don't understand how facts later introduced in the fight contradicts it. I assume the "facts" it refers to is the fact that one does not have a soul after using the sealing jutsu, but that doesn't contradict anything, it would just mean Orochimaru was unaware of the state Yondaime is in. If this is not the fact it refers to, please enlighten me. WikiXan 01:51, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

That does make sense that Orochimaru wouldn't know, since he wasn't aware of the Death God technique when 3rd used it on him. That's rather ironic to think about it, the technique would have failed anyway. Well actually, it would have worked, just in a more limited regard. Remember that the corpses were animated and able to fight and stuff without souls. Orochimaru did the thing with the soul-summoning, attaching them to tags on kunai in the back of their head. That's what gave them powers and stuff. Even in a limited fashion the 4th's corpse probably would have been tough. Still, 3rd should have tried to take out the other ones instead. I guess it's due to the order they were brought out in that prevented that though. Tyciol 13:34, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

I doubt that the 4th was in the third coffin, since he used the Dead Demon Consuming Seal to seal Kyuubi in Naruto, and as far as I know, that seal places the users soul in the death god. The third coffin was only shown in the anime, not the manga, so it's possible that the anime just made a mistake.Jacce 10:03, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

When the anime is created, the orignal author is usually available as a consultant. Therefore, when the anime intended to show that the third coffin was that of the fourths, we know that the act was done out consultation. Whether or not the fourth was actually in the coffin is debatable. Since Edo Tensei resurrects people from the afterlife, it is not clear if it resurrects people from the stomach of the Shinigami (Death God).

Your words and actions do not match. If you really believe as such, try actually reading the paragraph you keep changing. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 01:22, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Try explaining how my words and actions do not match, and I will try editing the article more appropriately.

You say it might not have been the Fourth Hokage, yet continually insist that it is. That is not a match. Furthermore, you seem incapable of reading not two sentences below what you kept trying to change, which mentions in detail the controversy which you insist on perpetrating through your unproductive edit warring. Really, it's pretty annoying. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 04:34, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

The issue is clearcut - Someguy is clearly correct in this situation. Such a trivial detail though. In any case, do we have to show a consensus to request unprotection? Sephiroth BCR 04:40, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

It'll shut off automatically in a week, and as it stands there's not going to be anything to update. Consider a vandal-free period. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 04:45, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

But alas, one edit was not caught in time. Now Shikamaru's article will not link properly. *weeps* ~SnapperTo 04:55, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

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We could change it to the incorrect link for a week. It would be annoying to remember to change it though =/ Sephiroth BCR 04:57, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

We could always try to request an edit. After all, Shuriken Shadow Imitation was not the source of the dispute. I tried earlier, but Alison declined due to the fact that I have not asked here yet. You Can't See Me! 07:28, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Oh. That's fine. Fire away. Sephiroth BCR 08:10, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

If you need more agreement, I agree too >_> -- Seraphchoir 13:47, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

{{Editprotected}} (See towards the end of #Summoning: Impure World Resurrection)

I can't tell exactly what is being requested here. You should put a precise summary of the request immediately beside the editprotected tag. Remember that the people who handle these tags have no familiarity at all with the content of the tagged articles. CMummert · talk 12:25, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

• Declined No clear evidence has been provided why this edit should be undone. —dgies^t_c 21:17, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Sexy technique

There's been a dispute over whether to use Image:KonohamaruOiroke.jpg or Image:Naruto's Sexy Technique.jpg in the Sexy Technique section. I feel that the first image should be used as it's in color, as is every other image in the article. Kabuto Yakushi argues that the second image is the "uncut version", which seems to be a weird way of saying it's from the manga. Because he's becoming very persistent, I think other people should chime in on their opinions. ~SnapperTo 17:40, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

I, Kabuto Yakushi, believe that Naruto wikipedia images should be uncut (eg. It should have Sexy Jutsu from manga, not anime because anime has TOO MANY clouds covering naked body). There are others who agree me, and there are others who agree with Snapper2.

Also for Kidomaru's web techniques, I feel it's stupid to have subtitles at the bottom of this image, so I cut them out and had it resized. Please supportmy vision if you want to. Thanks, ~Kabuto YakushiTo 17:59, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

So your argument is that the clouds are too thick in the anime? And because of that, the black and white image should take precedence over the color image? If I may be blunt, that's an awful reason. ~SnapperTo 18:16, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

You are too blunt, besides that, the manga image looks a lot more hot|hotter, if you know what I mean... ergo, that's the real reason why it should stay. ~KabutoTo 18:44, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Fanservice is not a valid reason, and if your only argument is that the guy in a fancy version of drag is more exciting, then I dare not ask any more questions. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 21:24, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Aw, you undid my example of over linkage... ~SnapperTo 03:36, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I just find it extremely annoying. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 19:27, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

I'd like to see a picture of Naruko/po (whatever they call girl Naruto) for the simple fact that you see that outcome from Sexy No Jutsu far more than Konohamaru's transformation. Actually, I think I remember a bunch of other people using this from the filler, just can't remember who. Tyciol 13:36, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Konohamaru's friends knew it, too. That's who you're thinking of – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 19:27, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

I don't know if it should be concidered "fan-service" in this instance... The techniques name IS, after all, "sexy technique", and thus a "sexy" image should be the one to be used, to mark clearer emphasis... Even thou most people should get the point anyway. 81.224.28.214 23:49, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

When do Konohamaru's friends use the Sexy Technique?Spike Knave 04:02, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Filler. The story arc list will tell you. It's a single teaching episode. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 04:09, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

I can't find it. Kid Sonic

Question here...

Um, I've noticed this before and my homie "G" wanted to know also, who put the info for Anko's suicide jutsu (Twin Snakes Destroyer) that "two snakes are summoned and bite the wrist of both user's killing them with deadly venom". It was somewhat like that. Is there any verification on this or is it just fanon (fiction)? Power level (Dragon Ball) 18:20, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Databook. Anko's page, I believe. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 18:37, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Wood Techniques

The page lists the techniques used by Yamato and the First Hokage to be Hiden. Since Mokuton has been established as a bloodline limit, shouldn't these techniques be labeled 'Kekkei Genkai'? 20:31 4 November 2006

Firstly, it says they're probably Hiden. Secondly, yes they probably should be labeled as such. I sure am helpful. ~SnapperTo 00:56, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Er, this is a really old discussion, but for future reference:

Mokuton techniques are just like Haku's Demonic Ice Mirrors and other Hyoton techniques, or the Hyuga's Gentle Fist techniques: They are ninjutsu (or Taijutsu, in Gentle Fist's case]] that are triggered through the use of a kekkei genkai. In other words, the kekkei genkai allows them to use the jutsu. You Can't See Me! 22:32, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Tongue Tooth Sticky Acid

As I was going through all of the jutsu, I noticed that this jutsu doesn't have an entry. Katsuyu's entry has the technique linked to as "Tongue Tooth Sticky Acid", though obviously it doesn't go anywhere. I seem to vaguely remember it being listed at some point in time, though I haven't been able to find it in any of the article historys.

Additionally, since I don't want to make a new topic, Desert Coffin seems to have the incorrect kanji, as seen here. I emphasize the word "seems", as I can't really tell. ~SnapperTo 02:02, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

How very weird. I know we had it listed at one point. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 02:10, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Found it. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 02:10, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Desert Coffin does have the wrong kanji, it should be 砂縛柩 not 砂漠柩 even though they apparently have the same kana reading. I think it means something like "Sand Bind Coffin". --Pentasyllabic 02:34, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Excellent. That should be the last of the discrepancies. ~SnapperTo 02:46, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Gamaguchi Shibari

Jiraiya clearly states that justsu's name is Ninpo: Gamaguchi Shibari.SSJ 5 14:51, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Ninpo means "Ninja Art". It's not part os the name. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 17:19, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Why isn't it considered a part of the name? I mean, the English names retain it like "Ninja Art: Mind Transfer Jutsu." What's the difference between them? It seems like "Katon" or "Doton" to me, so perhaps it should be kept unless a proper reason for why it's not "part of the name" is given. - Yami Wheeler 03:24, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

The Databooks list it under Summoning, not Ninja Art. Nothing should have that Ninja Art tag. It's just a tacked on description. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 03:37, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Ah, I see. I didn't realise it was a Summoning jutsu. - Yami Wheeler 04:15, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes I know what it means but he uses the term quite often ... Maybe there should be puted like a note or stuff. But never mind that ...SSJ 5 04:46, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Shuriken Shadow Clone Technique

"English TV, "Shadow Clone Shuriken Jutsu"."

The dub isn't up to the Orochimaru VS Sandaime Hokage fight yet, when The Third uses this technique. Has this jutsu been used previously, or is it just a "prediction", in which case, it should be removed, IMO. If this is named in some English video game, I don't see why the "TV" part is there. - Yami Wheeler 03:01, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Suiton Suijinheki (Water Encampment Wall)

The picture for Suiton Suijinheki, which is captioned as that, is actually a picture of the Second Hokage forming the water that performs Suiton Suishoha. And why isn't Suiton Suishoha in the main ninjutsu article? Why is it under Other Media jutsus, when it is used in the anime? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Itachi1uchiha (talk • contribs).

Kakashi has used it twice in the manga. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 19:40, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Speaking of suiton ninjutsu, even if this is going a little off topic, on the "Suiton: Daibakufu no Jutsu" (Water Release: Great Waterfall Technique) section, it states that "It does not need a pre-existing water source to function properly." and I'd like someone to confirm that information... I've never seen anybody use the technique without a pre-existing water source. 81.224.28.214 23:59, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Speaking of Water Release: Water Encampment Wall, in the anime I don't see Second spit, he just makes the seals, and how was Kakashi capable to spit with his mask?Jacce 18:31, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

He does. So does Kakashi. The mask does come off, you know. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 20:04, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

No he doesn't, actually... At least I don't recall it. The ANBU camping outside the wall state the impressiveness of Nidaime performing such a high level water jutsu with no readily available source of water. -- Seraphchoir 13:47, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

That was Suiton-Bakushui Shouha (Water Release: Exploding Water Shockwave) the ANBU was talking about. Kakashi does Suiton: Suijinheki when he's fighting Itachi. Zabooza 22:24, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Nidaime Hokage is proficient enough in using water techniques that he does not need a water source to do any of them, or so I have heard. Pyromaniac589 03:54, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Fūton: Rasengan

Please restrain yourselves from guesing how much more powerfull will this jutsu be than regular Rasengan. Also I think there sould be a note in Rasengan section that Jiraiya did combine both nature and form manipulation in a video game .... SSJ 5 04:50, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Sake Rasengan doesn't count. That's cheating. Igniting liquid is a far cry from creating flame from chakra. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 05:02, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

God damn it, thats not teh point and (though it is combining nature and form :P). The point is "Please restrain yourselves from guesing how much more powerfull will this jutsu be than regular Rasengan." SSJ 5 03:26, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, Rasengan inflicts wide-spread but concentrated damage. If used at full power, it could either kill an opponent or not. Futon Rasengan on the other hand, adds the slicing ability, thereby instantly killing an opponent regardless of his strength class. To put it another way, Rasengan leads to bruises while Futon Rasengan leads to cuts and bruises.

Kakashi said it's more powerful than the Lightning Blade (an S-rank technique), which would make it S-rank by default. 71.203.209.0 05:08, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Putting any rank on that technique is original research, and as such, nothing will be placed until the databooks give a ranking. Sephiroth BCR 05:34, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

No, it isn't. Kakashi said the difficulties to achieve this technique rank it the highest class (S), and maybe even higher (though there isn't a stated higher rank, so it's just S rank). So Fuuton: Rasengan (Wind Release: Spiraling Sphere) is an S-rank jutsu, period. Zabooza 22:21, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Earlier on, I read the directions for how Naruto was able to create Fuuton Rasengan. why have the directions for it been taken off? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.131.215.94 (talk) 01:53, 2 May 2007 (UTC).

Summon

Where are all the animals the ninja summon when they (the animal) is not used by the ninja?88.206.159.226 11:30, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

If that means where they reside when not being summoned, we don't know yet. Retlor 22:25, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

rapid crasher

Can someone please explain to me exactly how water release:rapid crasher works?QuietDrive627 22:14, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Is that the combined technique of Yamato and Naruto when they made their grand entrance in front of Kakuzu? If that is, then it's just some water and wind elemental move that they both used at the same time and decided to come up with a fancy name for >_> -- Seraphchoir 13:47, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

That would be Drowning Maelstrom. Rapid Crusher is just... a small blast of water, that when it was combined with Rasengan, it created a huge whirlpool, namely the Drowning Maelstrom technique. Simple Zabooza 22:19, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Wind Shurikan

Shouldn't Naruto be able to use a clone to perform Spiraling Shuriken? The clone will be damaged, yes, but not Naruto. And Naruto can always deactivate the damaged clone and activate a new one! Why doesn't he? My only reason is that the people making Naruto haven't thought of it. What do you think? CNot a discussion forum. Besides, there's probably some crazy rule to it or something. After all, he didn't use the regular Spiraling Sphere in a clone's palm and so forth. You Can't See Me! 04:05, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Naruto did have several clones use Rasengan in a filler. Pyromaniac589 03:56, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

water source

it says under water release:great waterfall technique that it doesnt require a water source to perform but it was only used once and the user did in fact use a water source.24.185.163.37 21:50, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Shadow Shuriken Technique

I think that Sasuke was introducing the Fuma Shuriken when he said: "Wind Demon Shuriken, Shadow Windmill" during the first fight against Zabuza, since it sounds more logical and since it was the first time the weapon was shown.Jacce 20:09, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Nah, it's just something he says to sound cool. Zabuza recognizes the technique as the Shadow Shuriken Jutsu when he sees the second shuriken. You Can't See Me! 01:54, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Similarity of Jutsu

Aren't Spider Bind and Spider Web Flower the same thing? Manga_King

Kakashi uses Rasengan (Spiraling Sphere)?

I think not. It lists him as one of the users of Rasengan here, but I am hesitant to believe that, since I have never heard of Kakashi using Rasengan before. I thought he merely trained Naruto to use it better, a feat that doesn't require him to know how to use the jutsu himself. He only need know how to train Naruto, not how to actually do the jutsu. Does Kakashi really know Rasengan himself, or is it merely implied by the fact that he trains Naruto in using it? Kakashi has Chidori already. Why would Masashi also make him know how to use Rasengan? Manga_King

You should try reading the manga. It answers most of those questions. ~SnapperTo 21:49, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Yep. The Manga shows Kakashi using the Rasengan and smashing it together with Narutos...SO....he knows how to use it.

Welllllllll... We don't know about the smashing them together thing... All we know that Kakashi's hand got injured. Which move he used (e.g. Rasengan, Chidori, just his bare hands to see how damaging the move was) is speculation. That it was injured through smashing it with something of Naruto's is also speculation, but it's not a far stretch to assume it. -- Seraphchoir 13:47, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

There's a Rasengan in his hand before he attacks Naruto. He also asks Naruto to smash his Wind Release: Spiraling Sphere against his Rasengan beforehand. What actually happens in the process is unknown though. Sephiroth BCR 16:37, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

I don't recall such a passage, but I'll take your word for it -- Seraphchoir 17:35, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Sexy: Double Knockout Girls Technique

I don't want to sound like a pervert but...you put in a picture for the Sexy: Double Konckout Boys Technique but not for the Sexy: Double Knockout Girls Technique so.......why?

Because nobody's felt like uploading it. ~SnapperTo 19:43, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Sounds like the fault of a biased fangirl to me. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.62.64.131 (talk) 14:09, 5 May 2007 (UTC).

Summoning: Rashomon is a living thing?

I was wondering if the Rashomon wasn't just a summoning jutsu but if it should be grouped with the summons (the page with Enma, Garambunta, manda, the slug, etc.). In the preview for Naruto shippuuden 10 it listed all of the summons in the series and Rashomon was included so it should go on the Naruto summons page right?

Not alive. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 02:28, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Seriously, did you even watch the preview or not because it makes it pretty clear in the preview that it is a real summon that requires a contract and everything

Not alive. That's all there is to it. It's a giant door. As we don't include weapons, items, or resurrected people, we don't include doors. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 23:02, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

I don't know about the contract, all I saw was the use of blood. Although that's a requirement for most (all?) summoning jutsus, they might not be the only thing that requires blood. Besides, if it was an actual object, how could Oro summon three of them? I doubt it's possible to summon three Gama Buntas concurrently in the same area in the same time. (Yes that notion is speculation, but it's not hard to believe) -- Seraphchoir 13:47, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Just to help everyone (including those reading only). WHile it is true that the Rashomon gates were summoned just like weapons and even have a characteristic "cracks" which appears when a creature is summon, the gate itself is not alive. I beleive what Someguy0830 pointed out is that to qualify to be listed as a summon technique, the being summoned must be a living creature; the Rashomon gate appears alive but it is merely a very strong gate and barrier. Also, regardiong the number of summons, it is possible to summon many creatures at a time (like the giant snakes of Oro and the three demons of tayuya). However, it is not possible to summon many Gamabunta(s) because there is only one Gamabunta in existence (as i can speculate). Hope this clears things up. - Carlo —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Carlo alvares (talk • contribs) 09:18, 28 April 2007 (UTC).

Page protection

I have protected this page, please work out any changes you wish to make on the talk page. TimVickers 01:54, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

It's protected simply because of a minor argument like that? They aren't even making important changes.......--Marhawkman 12:04, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

After re-reading it... Yeah. It was the Fourth Hokage in the third coffin.--Marhawkman 12:40, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

How do you know?Jacce 15:00, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

To explain that slightly better, all we saw there was Yondaime's coffin; until we see his reanimated corpse like those for Shodaime and Nidaime, the debate continues. -- Seraphchoir 05:22, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

the current wording of the article seems more than sufficient to me. It explains why people think Orochimaru was trying to summon the Fourth Hokage as well. But it also explains why nbo one really knows.--Marhawkman 16:26, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Wind Release: Spiraling Shuriken

Someone needs to add that this technique uses kyubi's power somehow because naruto had kyubi eyes when he performed it

• he probably just invoked the Kyuubi's power to supply the chakra he needed.--Marhawkman 16:18, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
  • What you just said brings up more debate. if he had kyubi eyes while doing it then would it be a purple rasengan. guess we should just wait for the anime to clear up the color concept but I do believe the kyubi entry needs to be in there because we don't know if he can use it without kyubi chakra

Itachi and Kage Bunshin

Why isn't Itachi listed as a user of the Shadow Replication technique? And why did it get editted back when I corrected it? Itachi clearly uses Shadow clones both in the Invasion of Konoha/Return of Itachi arc, and in the Resque Gaara arc. Zabooza 17:17, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

When does he use it in the Rescue Gaara arc? ~SnapperTo 18:39, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

His 30% double body uses it when fighting against Naruto, Kakashi, Sakura and Chiyo. It's stated that he uses it. Zabooza 22:15, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

So he does. Regardless, it can't be added at the moment. ~SnapperTo 22:35, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Water Prison Technique

Kakashi, Tenten (despite saying she couldn't breathe), Rock Lee, and Neji all manage to speak while imprisoned. We're not talking screaming underwater, we're talking multiple sentences spoken while in this jutsu. If this isn't an indication of being able to breathe, I don't know what is. --Celain 14:21, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

I don't really know when breathe was a condition to speak. The fact they can speak perfectly is just strange, but this has nothing to do with breathe. Anyone can make noises inside water, we can vocalize and we DON'T breathe there! Being able to speak is just another ridiculous pass that the ninja seem able to do in this process, but this has nothing to do with breathing.

Tenten said she couldn't breathe. No other character said it was possible. I don't know why you people are being so stubborn on this when the series stated the opposite. I end my part here, I will not even bother editing the "Water Prision" back... it will be a stupid way to spend my time 'cause after that, some of you guys will just come and revert it just because you are unable to admit something you believe (without even thinking about) is wrong... - Access Timeco 19:38, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Kinjutsu

Shouldn't Wind Release: Spiraling Shuriken be considered Kinjutsu since Tsunade fobit Naruto from doing it again? 74.167.170.215 04:36, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

No, because that doesn't mean it's kinjutsu. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 04:40, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Doesn't Kinjutsu mean "forbidden jutsu"? 74.167.170.215 05:05, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it does, but someone forbidding someone else doesn't make it kinjutsu right off the bat. A general classification known to all is what's required. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 05:07, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

I see, sorry. 74.167.170.215 05:09, 20 May 2007 (UTC)