Talk:Eminem
Was he born in St. Joseph or Kansas City? I've seen both. --Zoe
The article says he's controversial but doesn't characterize the controversy. Anyone who knows more about it than me care to do so? -- Someone else 06:10 Nov 24, 2002 (UTC)
- Nicely done, Tokerboy! <G> -- Someone else
- Thanks Tokerboy
Is the year of birth right? I've seen pages with everything from 1972 to 1975. -- sannse 18:38 Apr 2, 2003 (UTC)
You know sannse, your right, because in one of the songs on the album "The Eminem Show", released in 2002, Eminem states in one of the songs that he is 28 years old, so for a while I assumed he was born in 1974. What do you think? CJS102793 21:35, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I removed the two quotes because they were a POV selection which others may feel don't adequately represent him, and should be placed in the context of their songs anyway. Tuf-Kat
those PARENTAL ADVISORY stickers are so obnoxious! I can't believe we have to see that crap on album covers. Kingturtle 05:52 Apr 18, 2003 (UTC)
Does Slim Shady mean anything in English? Kpalion 00:11, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)
- Not really, but shady is a slang term for an untrustworthy person. I don't think slim really means anything in this context, though Eminem is kinda skinny. Tuf-Kat 07:48, Mar 13, 2004 (UTC)
What's the difference between "Eminem" and "Slim Shady"? Just two different performing names?
- The actual performer's name is "Eminem" from his initials M.M. "Slim Shady" is kinda a character he plays on stage. He mentions once or twice the dichotomy of "Marshal" and "Shady" in some of his songs (Specifically, "Without Me")
- There were originally 6 members of D12, each member had an alter-ego, thus the "Dirty Dozen". Mather's alter-ego is Slim Shady. Slim Shady is a fictional character; a device Marshall uses to describe things that Marshall himself doesn't do - for example, songs using the "Slim Shady" persona have lyrics describing how he's killed dozen's of people (Criminal, Kill You) yet Marshall hasn't killed anyone in real life.
- Marshall's other rap persona is Eminem. The name is a play on the the name of the M&M candies, which feature a (dark colored) chocolate core and a white shell, and share Marshall's initials (Marshall Mathers). The Eminem persona is the rap equivelent of Mathers in real life, without the exaggeration of Slim Shady.
- In short, Marshall Mathers => real person, Slim Shady => over the top rap persona that can do anything at any time, Eminem => Marshall Mathers rapping in his own "voice".
Eminem vs. ICP
Yall know that stand off with ICP and Eminem? Well if yall know anything...please gimme some insight on this. Peace out User:Juggalo01:Juggalo01
Lyrics page
The reason why I keep replacing the Activelyrics and Lyricsquest link with an Original Hip-Hop Lyrics Archive (OHHLA) link is because OHHLA is a reputable lyrics site, which follows strict rules on which lyrcs to upload, cares about authorship of transcriptions, ensuring there is no plagiarism and all lyrics are uploaded with the transcibers' consent, and makes sure the lyrics are accurate through corrections.Additionally, OHHLA has the lyrics to more songs that the other 2 sites. Also, the manner in which those two links have been posted indicates self-promotion and borders on vandalism. --Aramգուտանգ 00:49, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Lyrics page
I want to address your point one by one.
1.because OHHLA is a reputable lyrics site which follows strict rules on which lyrcs to upload, cares about authorship of transcriptions, ensuring there is no plagiarism and all lyrics are uploaded with the transcibers' consent and makes sure the lyrics are accurate through corrections.
What makes you think ActivLyrics.com is not reputable. Before I have obtained content almost all of my content came from the feature 'add lyrics' I also had the feature 'correct lyrics'. Only after obtaining this content I have removed those features.
2. Additionally, OHHLA has the lyrics to more songs that the other 2 sites. Also, the manner in which those two links have been posted indicates self-promotion and borders on vandalism.
I agree that it is possible that OHHLA May have more links but it still does not give you the right to delete it. Secondly I do belive that OHHLA is not user friendly and full of promotion and advertisements. I do not want to offend you in anyway but you can just take those two sites and compare
The reason why I have posted second site is because you kept deleting one link so I thought something wrong with design or anything else.
- I agree about OHHLA having too much advertisement, but so do a lot of reputable sites (*cough* IMDb *cough*). Also, it's a fact that OHHLA has more Eminem lyrics than your site, and in addition to that they are named correctly, and the albums and collaborators are indicated. Also, OHHLA is a popular site (compare Alexa ranking: [1]) and the lyrics there are likely to be more accurate, as more people see them and correct them (same principle as Wikipedia). Also, Wikipedia is not a place for self-promotion, which is clearly what you're doing, while I don't have any affiliation with OHHLA at all. Even ceteris paribus, the fact that OHHLA is the site with more Eminem lyrics than yours should be enough to be the deciding factor. --Aramգուտանգ 02:38, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)
VANDALISM????
Why do u consider it a vandalism??? I just wanna help people with lyrics, no disrespect to your site. Plus, it's not a SPAM or whatever, it's a clean website. As u said urself: ur site is great but full of those ad elements and they're very boring.Do somethin for people, my friend. peace
Comment towardS OOHLA
You have said:
"I agree about OHHLA having too much advertisement, but so do a lot of reputable sites".
Answer: It means that you are using wikipedia's resources to earn money and this is not allowed. This is what called self-promotion.
"Also, it's a fact that OHHLA has more Eminem lyrics than your site, and in addition to that they are named correctly, and the albums and collaborators are indicated"
Answer: Yeah I do consider this as a good reason but you should have stated from the very beginning.
"Also, Wikipedia is not a place for self-promotion, which is clearly what you're doing, while I don't have any affiliation with OHHLA at all"
Answer: I do not promote myself I promote site I really really like. And why do you think i am an affiliate or sth... In the same way I DO Not know wether you are in affiliation or not wit OHHLA.
I do respect your reason regaading the amount of lyrics therefore for now I am not going to add anything but I dobelieve as well that the site I am putting link to is more user friendly, does not haveany ads and created only for purpose of lyrics lovers.
- Well, first, I did state that OHHLA has more lyrics in the first place, note the phrase "Additionally, OHHLA has the lyrics to more songs that the other 2 sites" in my first post.
- Second, you have indicated that it's your own site when you said "Before I have obtained content almost all of my content came from the feature 'add lyrics'".
- As to my non-affiliation with OHHLA, you can either take my word on it, or also note the fact that I had not uploaded a link to it (even though I edited the article before) until you first posted your links and I realised that a link to a lyrics page is quite appropriate for an artist like Eminem (for people who are doing research and such) and only then posted it.
- Now, I understand that your page is clean and has no advertisements, but content is what counts I'm afraid. If your site has a more comprehensive lyrics collection for some artist than other sites, you are welcome to post your link on that artist's page. However, this is not the case with Eminem or Dr. Dre or in fact most other hip-hop artists. Also, in the future, refrain from editing the article while a dispute on the change is not resolved yet, since that may be considered vandalism. Glad you understand. --Aramգուտանգ 13:50, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)