Talk:Cream the Rabbit/Archive 1
Inappropriate
Cream the Rabbit has also appeared very frequently in hentai and yuri as an older version of herself (usually) since her name is a (probably unintentional) double entendre.
- A double entendre?!? Does this have anything to do with that "the chicks will cream" line in the song Greased Lightning [from the movie Grease?] --Luigifan 22:15, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
I think this statement (or more specifically, what it links to) is rather inappropriate, considering that, especially as Wikipedia becomes more popular, more younger readers are likely to be looking up this character. For example, I wouldn't want my own younger sister, who does use Wikipedia, to click on those links. I'm not sure about Wikipedia's policy on these things, but I'm just throwing this out there.
Should we change the statement, remove it, or keep it as is? Personally, I vote for removing it altogether. -Luigi2 | Talk 21:04, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
- Virtually every fictional character has had pornographic material made of them, so I don't see why Cream would be notable in this sense. 142.161.207.137 05:58, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
- With that in mind, I've removed the statement from the article. -Luigi2 | Talk 23:48, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
- ...LOOK UP TO CREAM!?What have you been smoking lately?I'm only 11 and I detest her, she's both mine, and my little brothers least favourite character.Also, in Sonic Battle, she must be the only character than doesn't fight...AT ALL.It's Cheese.That's why we take pleasure in making up our own characters...then he draws them beating the snot out of Cream or something.--Centurion Ry 12:29, 11 July 2006 (UTC), British and Pround of it.(hey!That can be my sig!)
How stuipd can u get??No one cares if u don't like Cream, besides Cream DOES FIGHT! HAVEN'T U SEEN SONIC X???Again no one cares if u or ur brother or sister like Cream or not!-anon
Awkard and unencyclopedic
"Cream is also somewhat "childish" but like a strawberry is very sweet. Sometimes she can be a "shrinking violet", but her lifelong pal, Cheese the chao is always there to make her bloom." How to rewrite this statement to convey that she is childish, "sweet," shy, etc. without sounding like a children's book?
Rumors
The part, "Cream would see Tails in a simple childish love playmate way and would be too young for intense real love. Some still say the two will get together, but only when they are older and more mature." Is an opinion. Although it is possible that when they're older, they'll like each other, but it's possible that they could also like each other as a young child. For example, Tails in Sonic X liked Cosmo and they're only eight years old or something. If Cream somehow managed to create a airplane and named it, "The Heart Tornado," Sonic and Tails would find some Distraction and would told tails to go away from them, They would have been doing missions faster like Amy Spots Sonic, Cream might do the same to Tails if they know each other and if Cream get a Tails Radar like Amy have a Sonic Radar in Sonic Rush.
- Can I mention that Tails sounded a bit... unconcerned... when Cream was kidnapped in Sonic Rush? What I mean by this is, Tails didn't go and rescue Cream himself, but let Blaze do it instead. I think that if Tails and Cream were in a love relationship, he'd have insisted that he be the one to save her. After all, when you're in love, you'll do anything to help your loved one, even when it requires you to take risks and/or make sacrifices. And, Blaze was weakened from her fight with Sonic... --Luigifan 11:11, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
Quotes
Could we move the quotes to Wikiquote instead (in the Sonic the Hedgehog section)? Something about the quotes in this article doesn't match. --anon
Notes, References, and External Links
SPAMFLOOD! Someone keeps adding this site to the list of external links. I have went there and the information on Cream in the Character Library appears to be hidden from the general public. Unless the information can be viewed by the general public, continuing to add this link is at best linkspam, and at worst vandalism. For more information see Links to avoid. --DavidHOzAu 23:17, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
And that link you mentioned does not exist anymore... --Tikal-chan 13:39, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
Merge
Cheese and Vanilla should be merged with Minor characters in Sonic the Hedgehog. They aren't about Cream and should be in a "See Also" section. Any objections? --71.104.187.145 04:33, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
Support Go ahead, this article is getting too big. --DavidHOzAu 13:21, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
Partial Disagree Perhaps Vanilla should be merged, but not Cream. Cream's important enough for her own article. --Luigifan 11:14, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
- Wait, Cheese is the one getting merged? Oops. --Luigifan 21:58, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
Creams first appearence was not in Sonic adveance 2!
Actually, her fisrt appeareance is on Sonic Adventure one, or Sonic Adventure DX: Directors Cut. If you had ever play this game, you would notice that after the level Casinopolis and after you you get sllep by Eggman. if you are playing with Sonic you may think that Tails is flying and going away, but actually is Cream!You can see that it is cream if you are playoing with tails and you fly up you would see that it is Cream! Well that my be a hint of the debut of Cream in Sonic advance but as i had read (I think here in Wikipedia) she was cancelled or i think Sonic Team decided to not put her in this game, instead they put here on Sonic Advance 2.
By Alonso Benavente
Quotes
Put a picture of a cream cameo in sonic adventure DX.
Cream's first appearance
Alonso is right. I too have seen Cream on Sonic Adventure DX on Big's Story after he's leaving from Twinkle Park. I did see Cream flying. That's her first appearance. But she didn't become a playable character until Sonic Advance 2. King Shadeed 12:11, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
Sonic Advance 2 was released 21st March 2003, while Sonic Adventure DX came out 27th June. --anon
- Actually, Sonic Advance 2 was released 2002-12-19[1], while Sonic Adventure Deluxe was released 2003-06-19[2], making her Sonic Advance 2 appearance six months earlier. (Stefan2 08:57, 11 October 2006 (UTC))
Cream's trivia section...
Bah, I'm removing some of the points in the trivia section, they are no longer secret to most of us, ye know. Tikal-chan 04:42, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
um why doesn't Cream have a love life section??Don't u know about Emeral in Sonic X and Tails in Sonic Rush?! In that game Tails seen very worry about Cream...if you have played the game u know what I mean.-....
- He does?!?!? I'm not so sure... And, you really ought to sig! And, while I'm at it, work on your grammar! I don't mean to be critical, but your encyclopedic skills need some work. Oh, and I should mention, Cream's only 6 years old; far too young to have a love life! --Luigifan 23:04, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
- And Cream was NOT in love with Emerl! You sicko!!! --Luigifan 01:52, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
Telepathy?
Huh? Since when was Cream capable of telepathy? I think that this is a little speculative... but, seeing as I currently have a theory out there which is highly contested, I should probably keep my mouth shut. --Luigifan 23:12, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
I doubt that Cream has telepathy. More than likely, Cream can understand Cheese's Chao language similar to how Kiba (from Naruto) understands Akamaru (his dog). BlackEDGE MkII 01:50, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
Maybe Cream, like Tikal (I guess), can communicate with Chao thru purity of heart? DeathGodDragon EDGE 06:10, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
I think it's simply a case of she has a special gift to understand what they say through reading of body-language, tone of their cries and such. I'll be removing that telepathy part.--Danish Ranger 02:46, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
I don't think that Cream has telepathy. So go ahead, delete it. DeathGodDragon EDGE 00:07, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
Wind blowing
Wow, this hasn't been edited [by anyone other than myself] for a few days... --Luigifan 23:00, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
- Yet again, nobody's here... Yeesh, the page is stagnating! --Luigifan 22:27, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
That's probably cuz there's really not that much to edit. Either that or, people really must hate Cream. BlackEDGE MkII 02:56, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
- Man, does this have anything to do with those "phase out" rumors? --Luigifan 12:26, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
Well, the page is getting some attention now. That's good. --Luigifan 14:33, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Japanese language name
"Kuriimu da Rabbitto" means "Cream the Rabbit". --PJ Pete
{slow clapping} --Luigifan 02:13, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Is that admiration or sarcasm, Luigifan? (If you don't kno who I am, I used to be BlackEGDE MkII). Aguni Dragon-OX 02:34, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
How is Cream the Rabbit's name romanized? --PJ Pete
Cream is a Holland Lop?
Um, who came to the conclusion that Cream is a Holland Lop rabbit? Seriously, do we have to give specific species? Because, if we do, I might as well say that Tails is a kit fox because he's small and has yellow fur. Seriously, trying to pinpoint this kind of stuff is ridiculous. And, it certainly won't work for everyone. I mean, there are no hedgehogs in the (real) world that have blue or pink fur, unless it's a pet hedgehog whose owner went a bit crazy with the hair dye. So, please, somebody check up on this nonsense! --Luigifan 03:02, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
Box
Is it just me, or is the information box becoming really broad? Also, when are the Chao ever described as Cream's adoptive siblings? 83.255.67.167 09:53, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
About cleanup issue in this article
This article has been tagged for cleanup for months, so what you think should I do? Tikal-chan 14:46, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
Sonic Team: Does it give a **** about the West?
On Game FAQs, on a message board for Sonic the Hedgehog, a user named Junji-Hiroma cites Cream as an example of Sonic Team's [apparent] disrespect for its western audience. Here's the entire post, copied and pasted directly from said message board:
"This is from a site I found: Disclaimer: This is a factor as to why sonic's popularity has dwindled from what used to be in the west. It in no way suggests that Sonic has faded entirely.
sonics failing partly because of sonic
Team’s ethnocentricity. They adhere to cultural tastes of eastern
culture (particularly the Japanese), while alienating, and demeaning
values in western culture.
Blaze and Cream are key examples. Sonic Team portrays exclusively eastern ideals to be "right". Cream is called a girl "no one can hate", someone who is immune to hatred. Cream reflects eastern ideals for youthful, innocent girls (like many anime female protagonists). Western ideals like being tenacious, sassy, smart, and athletic (like the Disney princesses) are seldom if not entirely void in Cream's character. She is not marked for being bright as noted by Blaze after she ignorantly insults Knuckles in his presence. She does not fight which deemphasizes athleticism. She also has a hard time keeping resolve that is shown in Heroes, when she wants to give up her search for finding her kidnapped friend, Chacola. This is the perfect girl that in Sonic Team's opinion, cannot be hated, which is further implied by a lack of testimonial criticism for her nature by other charachters.
Blaze is opposite of Cream. She has traits that westerners hold ideal in women. While Cream's eastern traits go uncriticized, Sonic disrespects Blaze’s very western resolve to get the Sol emeralds alone, calling her “overzealous" while he respects Knuckles' constant resolves to restore the Master Emerald by himself. Both Blaze and Knuckles mirror the other's duties as guardians to their respective emeralds. Both are qualified to be lone gaurdians. Blaze can attain the Sol emeralds alone, and KNUCKLES restore Master emerald alone. But Sonic, whom viewers hold bias for, (as we experience the game through mainly his points of view), believes Blaze is wrong for being tenacious while Knuckles is not Knuckles is not questioned for his endeavors.
And it's not just Blaze; taking charge is not rewarding to any female characters, in the games. Tails can be praised for saving Station Square on his own, while Blaze is criticized for being independent. Tikal fails to convince her father, and Amy’s tenacity to woo Sonic falls on deaf ears because Rouge, as well as Cream and Tails imply to her, is that being physical to gain respect is quote: "too persistent". Yes Amy aggressively takes charge with Sonic, so do his male rivals (KNUCKLES and gay shadow) their own agendas like Amy. Sonic has unspoken respect for them, not her.
He trusts them in decisions he makes: Shadow helping him defeat the Biolizard, and trusting Knuckles to take care of Amy and Tails in his place before his last battle with Shadow in Sonic Adventure 2. He will not run from them. When Amy is as aggressive as Sonic's male rivals are, Sonic runs away from her as he does in Sonic Heroes and Battle. The double standard between males and females suggests that western aggressive ideals are wrong, particularly in women. While eastern ideals for more passive women is "right" because characters like Cream go uncriticized.
Sonic Team is aware of the other continuities of Sonic outside of their games. But while Sonic Team has largely recognized the Japanese continuities, they almost totally ignore Sonic continuities in the west.
In the early
1990's there was a Japanese continuity of Sonic outside of the games, a
manga in Shogakukan's Shogaku Yonensei. In this very manga, the
original versions of game characters Amy Rose and Charmy were born.
Sonic Team recognized this Japanese continuity of Sonic, and even
decided to place these two comic book characters into the games Sonic
CD, and Knuckles Chaotix. Compare this recognition to characters in the
west. Not a single character in western continuities outside the games
set foot in a game directly made from Sonic Team.
Many argue
that Sonic Team rejects western characters for their games because they
are involved in continuities/ storylines that are too different from
their games. But Sonic Team changed Amy and Charmy from their original
selves as much as necessary, so that they could fit into game premises
should parts of their original basis be incompatible with the games. So
it certainly was not a matter of compatibility or incompatibility
between the manga and the game's storyline. It was not an issue that
they were more popular than western characters. Because Sonic Team
could be almost entirely changed from the way supposed fans of the
manga might have originally recognized them, which they were. Sonic
Team has never taken these extremes for characters of western
continuities.
Amy's role as Sonic's girlfriend in the manga was negated to that of a fangirl in the games. Their original mutual, affectionate relationship is not incorporated in the games, which changes their dynamic. Charmy's role in the manga as Sonic's advisor is nullified. Charmy is a member of a detective team now. Again, this indicates an unfair bias Sonic Team has against continuities outside of Japan.
Sonic Team does not take responsibility to
incorporate in their games what westerners typically affiliate with the
name Sonic which take westerners out of their comfort zone. In the
newer Sonic games, they constantly incorporate only what the Japanese
affiliate with Sonic, confusing and alienating people from western
countries, who identified with, "Coconuts" instead of "Kiki",
"Robotnik" instead of "Eggman" to simply list a few examples.
Robotnik
was the name given to Sonic's mustached arch nemesis in the west.
Eggman was his name in Japan. Nowadays, Sonic Team has merged the names
together. In the west Eggman is supposedly a nickname for Dr.Robotnik
according to Sonic Team. That way, the names can both used
simultaneously without cultural confusion, right? Wrong.
Sonic Team does not live up to their claims to "merge" the cultures. Culture alienation still exists in the western version of the games since the name Robotnik is rarely recognized in Sonic Team games, possibly only once. "Dr. Robotnik" is not actually called "Dr. Robotnik" in the English version of the games and even refers to himself as Dr. Eggman. Other characters including protagonists address him as such, even during serious situations when using a nickname, which is used to infer teasing/friendly familiarity is not appropriate (such as when Robotnik places a gun to Amy's head and she cries "Dr. Eggman!" in Sonic Adventure 2). The non-usage of traditional western elements in the more recent games infers what the west has established about Sonic is wrong, while what has been established to be Japanese is right. Despite both are correct terms SEGA has approved of since Sonic began on the genesis. Both names were originally products of localization, which exists in order to make different cultures connect with a product. Neither is more "right", as both names hold the same purpose for the character.
What's more, even Sonic Team's management of the
games also implies bias to Japan. The famous incident that has recently
occurred for instance: when the original game voices actors were fired,
and replaced with the Sonic X ones. The reason for this decision was
because Yuji Naka wanted to have smoother continuity, in which the
game's voice actors were synonymous to the shows, like it is in Japan.
There are two things that are problematic with his rationale:
In Japan, although the voice actors in the games were the same as in the show, it did not affect the overall popularity/unpopularity of the show, and these concepts were certainly not enough to save the show from cancellation. Despite this, Yuji Naka wants it managed like Japan.
Secondly, the sudden transition of voice actors was unsettling to western fans, after growing accustomed to the game actors, which existed longer than the show. This has caused resentment towards Sonic Team, especially since many of these fans would equally argue that the voice talent in the show is too melodramatic and mediocre. Naka did what he did for the sheer sake of making the west follow the east as has been policy for so long. Not because this move would be well accepted by the western fanbase..
Sonic Team has turned their backs on western culture, and has even gone through the trouble of disrespecting, and ignoring it. Westerners are subtly told not to be, or like western concepts in the Sonic games they buy. This despite the fact Sonic Team has the audacity to bring their games to the west which suggests they expect us to buy the games, when the anti western content make their games incompatible for the west. During the genesis era, Sonic was successful because there was no dialogue, or other identifiable themes in game itself that could be biased to a culture, and manuals could be made to localize the game.
People need to wise up. We are supposed
to pay Sonic Team to play games that we are supposed to enjoy through
personal connection, not the other way around. It is not fair that
Sonic Team provides a take it or leave it attitude in which, you either
tolerate their Japanese ideals, and accept the “wrongfulness” of
western culture, or not buy their games at all. Japan is not an evil
culture despite flaws, which can be present in all cultures, but as
such can also be said for western ones. People who appreciate Japan's
culture should be freely able to do so, but people who appreciate
western culture should be as well, without someone inferring that they
are "wrong" for doing so.
Sonic should belong to the world as SEGA originally intended, and not simply Japan."
Read over that and tell me what you think. Me, I feel a bit disturbed... --Luigifan 12:30, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
Wow...that was merciless, and I'm shuddering at the coldness of his words. ChromeWulf ZX 18:28, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
- THIS CAN'T BE! The sonic I once admired when I was a child is now an icon of discrimination! though I always had thoughts that things weren't right in the game, I can't believe that such happenings have conspired to show that the sonic world isn't meant for western ideals! And amy being so wronged in all this is even more so hateful! I personally had nothing against cream but it's just wrong how they discriminate the western life! IT'S JUST NOT FAIR THAT IT MEANS IT RUINS MY CHANCES TO BE IN THE GAME AND WUE AMY'S HEART! *sweatdrops* Er I mean...Oh hell the cat's out of the bag now... Mialover730 11:38, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
Big fan base
Dont make me laugh. Cream the rabbit dosnt have a big fanbase, in fact she is hated amoung alot of Sonic fans read this as well http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g222/megascore/sonic-3.jpg LOL thanks by the way whoever wrote it, Youve given me something to laugh about.
That came from an EGM article (I own it and remember that). EGM, hates a lot of Sonic stuff so it's reasonable that they hate Sonic characters. However, how can you talk for the entire community of those who play Sonic. How can you say something based of your own personal opinion many people who, in fact, love Cream. The answer: you can't. ChromeWulf ZX 18:32, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Ive hardly ever see cream fansites and the sites about her are often hate sites and the artile is about sonic secret rings. It also says Sonic is one of the best video game chraracters or something like that so it dosnt hate sonic.
Sorry if I snapped (I tend to do that from time to time), but still no one has the right to say something that isn't verified. Somewhere, there is a Cream fanbase which hundreds of people marvelling over Cream. Hell, a couple weeks ago I found a Big fansite (and many people hate Big). ChromeWulf ZX 22:14, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
Yes but you could say this about Shadow and Rouge who have far bigger fan bases.
What do you expect, Rouge is practically a female people consider a possible PORN model and shadow is basically an easily tempered and often portrayed homosexual who maniacally uses guns to prove his point. that's not TRUE but honestly what isn't?
If Cream's fanbase is so big, why was she cut out of Sonic the Hedgehog? --Luigifan 12:50, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
What role could she have had in 2006 anyway? Gurko 18:12, 3 March 2007 (UTC)