Talk:Prélude à l'après-midi d'un faune

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was move. —Nightstallion (?) ^{Seen this already?} 06:42, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Requested move

Prelude to the Afternoon of a Faun → Prélude à l'après-midi d'un faune

To refer to the piece by anything other than its original title is extremely rare -- Picapica 20:40, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

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• Support. David Kernow 04:45, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
• Oppose My experience varies. Concert programs are often (but not always) in French; but only the most pretentious of radio announcers will use the French without the English, English without French being not uncommon. Septentrionalis 17:29, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
• Support, as the French title is how I usually see the song mentioned. I have even seen Sirius use the French title. Olessi 20:11, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
• Support I see and hear both, but the French most often in print. My feeling is the article should be in French with a redirect from the English. Rizzleboffin 23:39, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

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• Personally I would not object to moving the article, but there is a guideline that says we should use English. Also, 59,500 Google hits suggest that use of the English title is not "extremely" rare. David Sneek 21:38, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
• I ought perhaps to have qualified "extremely rare" with "in my experience". I can honestly say that in over 50 years of listening to music I have never seen "Prelude to the Afternoon of a Faun" on a concert programme or heard the piece thus announced.
  This may well be a UK/US thing, of course. While accepting that search engines, like the Bible, can be used to "prove" anything (how many of the 59,500 are derivatives of the current WP entry itself?), I would point out that googling for "BBC Radio 3"+"Prélude à l'après-midi d'un faune" produces 223 hits; "BBC Radio 3"+"Prelude to the Afternoon of a Faun" gives only 21 (and a good proportion of the latter turn out to be American sites).
  The convention referred to above says, by the way: "Name your pages in English and place the native transliteration on the first line of the article unless the native form is more commonly used in English than the English form" (my italics). Quite apart from the poor choice of words here (Prélude à l'après-midi d'un faune is not a "native transliteration" of Prelude to the Afternoon of a Faun), I think that there is a good case for saying that the original title is indeed more commonly used, as is the case with the titles of all Debussy's works as included in the WP article dealing with that composer. -- Picapica 10:18, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Suggested move back

This article was moved from the English title to the French title in April 2006. The users supporting this move seem to have largely ignored WP:UE, so I felt it was worth having another look at this.In fact the English title is not uncommon (Google searches excluding Wikipedia have a comparable number of hits, [1] and [2]) and therefore it seems most consistent with Wikipedia policy to use the English title for this article. Heimstern Läufer 07:44, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Requested move

Prélude à l'après-midi d'un faune → Prelude to the Afternoon of a Faun — from WP:RM: "This article was moved from the English title to the French title in April 2006. The users supporting this move seem to have largely ignored WP:UE, so I felt it was worth having another look at this. —Heimstern Läufer 07:43, 10 February 2007 (UTC)" [ Chris cheese whine 08:01, 10 February 2007 (UTC) ]

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1. Support - WP:UE suggests that we should use the well-known English name. Chris cheese whine 08:02, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

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