User talk:Sannse

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Hello and Welcome! I hope you like the place! --mav

Thanks Mav, it's good to be here :) sannse

Hi Sannse, thanks for fixing all these Germany links! I know that kind of mainenance can be a real pain :-) --Magnus Manske

No problem :) I like that I can do something useful without taxing my brain too much. I think I'll tackle "American" after the weekend. -- sannse

If you're feeling like the existing disambiguation pages aren't enough for you, you could always turn British into a disambig page... ;-) Martin

heh! I'd rather change all the others into redirects ;) sannse

Hi, is [[Chinese]] really considered a disambiguation page? It has details and info, unlike other disambiguation pages.

On the Chinese Wikipedian Listing Page, I had reverted your change from [[Chinese]] to [[China|Chinese]]. Please see its Talk. Hope you understand.

I also think "Chinese" on the page "Family name" should be reverted, because it applies to all Chinese surnames, not just citizens of China's surnames. What do you think? Are there any other pages you think should be reverted?

--Menchi 21:46 Feb 17, 2003 (UTC)

It's listed as a disambiguation page - although you are right that there is some good information on the page, more than on most.

I'm fine about the change to the Chinese Wikipedians page. I dithered for a long time on that one, I really wasn't sure what was best. So I'm happy with the change. I used ethnic Chinese a couple of times when that seemed appropriate but, as you say, the Chinese Wikipedians list is wider than that. It's difficult sometimes to see what's best - second opinions are always welcome :)

The family name one is tricky. The sentence refers to Chinese culture. So shouldn't that link to China as the origin of Chinese culture? I think the link to "Japanese" should go to Japan in the same way (I just haven't started on "Japanese" yet). I'll bow to your judgement on this one, if you think it should be changed I'll go with that.

The only other one I remember having trouble with was User:Indexed list JM. I changed it to "China" in the end, but was very prepared for it to be changed back. There were probably others, this wasn't as straightforward as some of the other languages I've been working on.

Anyway, revert away where you think it best :) - sannse

Fixed the Spanish and Portuguese disambiguations on my user page. Thanks for pointing it out to me! I usually try to be more careful about wiki-ing links :) --ciudadlejana

Thanks ciudadlejana, Oh those Wiki obsessions ;) -- sannse 14:54 Feb 21, 2003 (UTC)

Hi Sannse, I've been working on cleaning up the Baha'i pages, and thought it might help to consult with an "old wikipedia hand" who is also a Baha'i. (I noticed that yours was the only user page that linked to the Baha'i page.) Specifically, I am thinking about pulling the Houses of Worship section out to a page [Bahai Houses of Worship] and putting links to images of the 7 and a discussion of what a Mashrikul-Adhkar is there.

Does this make sense, or am I buying trouble? (Not that I'm not used to buying trouble after 6 years of moderating the usenet Baha'i newsgroup. :-) Rick Boatright 04:26 Feb 21, 2003 (UTC)

An "old hand"? Cool! I have to admit I've only been around a couple of months though :)

I'm not a Baha'i either I'm afraid, my interest in religion is a general fascination. Baha'i is a particular interest because I have met some very special Baha'is and a lot of the Baha'i teachings make a great deal of sense to me. But I lack the somewhat essential belief in God, so would currently call myself an agnostic atheist.

But I'll give my opinion anyway :). I do think that a page on the Houses of Worship would be good. I'm sure there is enough material about them to make a good article. You could leave a short summary and a link on the main Baha'i page. It might take some fiddling to get all seven (or nine) images on the page looking good, if it comes across as too image heavy you can always split off the images to a separate page (see Gallery of Pompeii and Herculaneum for an example of this). Or you can shrink the images to thumbnails and link to larger versions (as in Opal). But I think it should work well as it is with some adjustment of the formatting.

Good luck, and let me know if I can help at all. sannse 14:54 Feb 21, 2003 (UTC)

Hi Sannse, I've added pigs in blanket, let me know if you've eaten them or know another name for them. 194.200.65.4 Feb21 2003

Reply on User talk:194.200.65.2 (summary: yes, no and yumm!) -- sannse 14:54 Feb 21, 2003 (UTC)

Why thank you, Sannse. No, it wasn't too late, indeed I think it must have made the difference. I play in the "Masters" comp - i.e., the veterans. In theory, every team has to have 7 out of 8 players over 30. In practice quite a few of the other teams seem to be full of 22 and 28 year-olds. Most of us are well over 40, and two are over 60. Add to that our easy-going attitude (training? huh?) and general lack of talent and you get the picture. I think we have lost 11 games straight now, though we don't bother to count them very often, and maybe it's 14. But - no doubt it was your luck that made the difference - tonight we had a nice solid win. :) Tannin

Woohoo! Good for you! -- sannse 11:10 Feb 27, 2003 (UTC)

Yeah, if you check again, do a search - U2 won 9 grammys, most of them ins 2001, and 'ROTY' was for ATYCLB (sing) - Sign your name on talk pages. -&#35918&#30505sv

see User:Stevertigo for reply.

Thankyou for adding the albumn cover to Monty Python Sings

No problem. Of course as I'd got it out to scan the cover, I had to play it too - so I'm sitting here giggling at "Oliver Cromwell" :) -- sannse

Thank you. I do read the lists, but through the web archives, so I'm usually a bit behind. Salsa Shark 07:08 Mar 19, 2003 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing my user page. Much appreciated. I got the impression from looking at the past history of the votes for deletion that 128.171.106.92 had removed a line though I could have misread it. STÓD/ÉÍRE 21:30 Mar 21, 2003 (UTC)

On votes for deletion, you asked:

As this has been listed for over a week, I've removed the photo from the article. But I'm not really sure what I need to delete, and in what order, to remove the image completely (I'm pretty new to the delete ability). Could someone help? Thanks -- sannse 19:11 Mar 21, 2003 (UTC)

On the image page there will be a "del" link for logged in administrators. I just took care of this one. Cheers, -- Infrogmation 22:11 Mar 21, 2003 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up. I'll add new newb tests to separate lines from here on in. -- Notheruser 04:55 Mar 26, 2003 (UTC)

Actually, I didn't put each newb test on a new line. I prefer my old format; someone else edited it that way. -- Notheruser 01:20 Mar 30, 2003 (UTC)

No, I'm not sure that 18 Songs/The Unseen is a valid album, but I am giving Michael the benefit of the doubt. If it is an album it was titled incorrectly, and I fixed it. If not, no big deal, I won't lose any sleep. -- goatasaur 18:36 Mar 30, 2003 (UTC)

Thanks for the words of support! -- Ams80 19:34 Apr 6, 2003 (UTC)

No problem, you do good work :) Apologies again for the misspelling of your name -- sannse 20:04 Apr 6, 2003 (UTC)

There were grammy awards in 1958. -fonzy

Hi Fonzy, the first Grammy awards were for 1958 but were presented May 4, 1959. Some sites, including Grammy.com, list under the year "for" rather than the year the awards were presented, which confuses the issue. The lists done so far are all based on the year the awards were presented. (See Record of the Year). -- sannse 20:51 Apr 6, 2003 (UTC)

8-S . stupidly confusing - fonzy

Agreed :) I'd done the listings for a couple of years before I worked it out. -- sannse

I noticed you added Bodhi at Wikipedia:Pages_needing_attention so I will get to work. Thanks and take care. Usedbook 00:13 Apr 10, 2003 (UTC)

Reply on User talk:Usedbook (summary: thanks and burnt karma?) -- sannse

I replaced it with, "and when all karma has reached cessation." Burnt might not be understood so I'm glad you brought it up.

There are 4 types of Karma that Gautama states... There is kamma that is dark with dark result; kamma that is bright with bright result; kamma that is dark & bright with dark & bright result; and kamma that is neither dark nor bright with neither dark nor bright result, leading to the ending of kamma. [AN IV.232]

Usedbook

That does make it clearer, thanks. The concepts are still difficult ones though. I think Buddhism is a subject that is difficult to write about in a way that is clear to non-Buddhists. It's good to have someone working of the subject that understands it. -- sannse 21:27 Apr 10, 2003 (UTC)

You are a one of the Wikipedia:Administrators. Would you please step in on the article of Stanley Stairs as well as my personal page(s) and put an end to the harassment, threats, obscene language, and vandalising of the article, all of which violate Jimbo Wales rules. Thank you. Olga Bityerkokoff

I'm sorry, no. I think in this case you should take it to the mailing list or to Jimbo himself. I've followed some of the recent controversy and don't feel that anything I could do would help the situation in any way. I will leave this to those more experienced (and probably more neutral) than me. Regards -- sannse 07:54 Apr 17, 2003 (UTC)

If you cannot fulfill the obligations of an Administrator, why did you apply for the responsibility? You were given the power to temporarily block abusive users. Please do that. Thank you. Olga Bityerkokoff

One of the obligations of an administrator is knowing when not to act. I recommend you write to the mailing list or to Jimbo. I also recommend that you take a break from Wikipedia to let things calm down, always a good idea when things get difficult. -- sannse 08:14 Apr 17, 2003 (UTC)

Hi Thanks for the detailed response to my talk User talk:Dod1

There are some question I would like to ask. I understand that you are very busy, so a link to the answer will be appreciated.

I have written an article about my city Petah-Tikva, Israel
1. The real name of the city (after your comments about city naming conventions) should be Petah Tikva. I read in wiki that someone with special authority (“Super User”) can do it
  can you please do it for me or tell me how to do it.
2. What is the best way to point out that several names are actually the same. In my case because the name of the town is Hebrew it could be written in English: Petach Tikva, Petah Tiqwa, Petach Tiqwa, etc.
  I tried the #redirect option – is this what I should do ?
Is there a way to link to a specific place in an article (like an internal link in WORD, or a link to paragraph in the article.
The Talk mechanism in wiki is very strange. There is a talk to an article, to a user etc. Where can I read the detailed explanation about this sytem?

Thanks and happy Easter (is that the right greeting?) Dod1 04:50 Apr 24, 2003 (UTC)

Hi, Dod1

I'm glad to try to help, I hope I can make things make sense for you :)

Any user can move an article, as long as they are logged in and the new title hasn't been used yet. Just click on the "Move this page" link at the bottom of the page, type in the new title and press the "Move page" button. The only time you will have problems is if the page title already exists (for example if you decided to move Petah-Tikva, Israel to Petah Tiqwa). In that case you would need an administrator to help - we can delete pages to clear the way for a move. See Wikipedia:How to rename (move) a page. I've done the move in this case.

Redirects are always good if there is more than one valid name, it helps people find the article they want and helps when people are linking to your article. But you shouldn't then put a link to the redirect into the article. When someone clicks on the link, they are taken straight back to the article - which doesn't tell them anything. It's best to use the alternative versions in the text as unlinked words (have a look at my changes to the article).

At the moment links to specific parts of articles do not work. There has been some talk of allowing this sort of link, but it hasn't happened yet (and maybe never will).

Have a look at Wikipedia:Talk page, there are also some other links on that page that might be useful. Which part of the talk system you use really depends on who you want to talk to and what you want to talk about. If you have a general comment or question about an article, then leave a comment on the article talk page (But be aware that you won't always get an answer, it depends who notices the comment.)

If you want to catch the attention of a particular user, then their personal talk page is best - as you've seen, they get notified when there is a new message on their page so you are more likely to get an answer. Some people will answer on your talk page, others will answer under your questions (as I am doing here). I always add talk pages I have used to my watchlist for a while, that way I can see easily if someone has answered.

Wikipedia:Help is a good place to start when you need this sort of information. Or just keep asking around, you can also ask general questions at Wikipedia:Village pump. I hope all this is of some help to you. Regards, -- sannse 15:16 Apr 24, 2003 (UTC)

I did not fully understand what you have done in Petah-Tikva article until I operated "What links here" option at the bottom of the page and got (pasted result - it looks beteer in the "Editing Page" - Sorry)

Petah-Tikva List of links)

The following pages link to here:

Petah Tikva (redirect page)

User talk:Sannse

Petah-Tikva, Israel (redirect page)

User talk:Sannse

Petah Tiqwa (redirect page)

User talk:Sannse

Petach Tikva (redirect page)

Petach Tiqwa (redirect page)

List of cities in Israel

I’ll try to find by myself what is the reason for the "User talk:Sannse" result
But I am surprised that when searching for "petah tiqwa" or even "Petah Tiqwa" I get NO result (ZERO)

Anyway thanks for what you have done including the English and paragraph corrections – I learnt a lot from just this "little" experiece.

I understood all your other detailed answers – and it’s going to take me some hours to internalize (fully understand) all you have written

I want to thank you again for the patience and very long answers. It’s really encouraging me to keep contributing to this project. But as I usually work about 50+ hours a week – it is difficult (Now I am in Peasach (Easter) vacation) :) -- Dod1 04:03 Apr 25, 2003 (UTC)

The reason for "User talk:Sannse" being on that list is that three of the pages are linked on this page (above). The "what links here" lists all articles (including talk pages etc.) that are linked to "Petah-Tikva" or to the redirects.

It looks as though redirects are not included in the limited search available at the moment. The full search has been turned off to limit the strain on the server. Hopefully that will be fixed soon, probably when the second server is on-line (it's been ordered I believe).

Anyway, I'm glad I've been of help and that you are going to stick around and edit when you have time :) -- sannse 20:02 Apr 25, 2003 (UTC)

It's strange that even Google does not find the "redirdcts". Anyway I think that the temporary lack of full search it should be mentioned in a proper place. (Search is a major utility in an online encyclopedia)

BTW it's really a pity that "links to specific parts of articles will NOT WORK". I think that is a wrong decision - but understand that is was because of the difficulty to solve / program. -- Dod1 21:18 Apr 25, 2003 (UTC)

Google will find them eventually - they are just too new to have been added to Google's database yet (as I understand it, we are visited by the Google spider less than once a month). You might want to add your other points at the village pump , the general community, including the developers, will see them there -- sannse 07:57 Apr 26, 2003 (UTC)

Thanks - I'll do that -- Dod1 11:08 Apr 26, 2003 (UTC)

Thanks for disambig'ing my bad German links. Will take care of that in the future. -- djmutex 2003-04-30

No problem, it's a regular little job I take on :) -- sannse 08:24 Apr 30, 2003 (UTC)

Q: How can I create a private sandbox - like the one you did (Under user:Dod1) ?? -- Dod1 22:38 May 3, 2003 (UTC)

Just make a link on your user page like this - [[user:Dod1/sandbox]], then follow the link to create a new page in the usual way. -- sannse 06:31 May 4, 2003 (UTC)

You are amazing - so simple, why couldn't I think of it ??? Thanks -- Dod1 15:13 May 4, 2003 (UTC)

Hi Sannse. Since you're a master of disambiguating :-) let me ask one question regarding redirecting nationalities. Recently you've corrected a link at Isaac Barrow from [[English]] to [[England|English]]. I usually link to the nation. Example: He was a Slovene composer... And also what about ancient civilizations? What is the best to do? He was a Greek mathematician, [[Hellenistic Greece|Greek]], [[Greece|Greek]] and such. So I prefer linking to the nation if possible, not to geographical term. If the nations do not exist already then I use ancient country: Chaldean. Ah, but there are not all nations that we can find proper land for them. So, I guess we have to have articles about such sole nations to redirect there: Maya, ... Sorry if this subject is already spoken around. Best regards. --XJamRastafire 09:29 Apr 30, 2003 (UTC)

It can be difficult to see where the link should go. It does depend on the context somewhat. If we were talking about German residents of Russia, for example, I wouldn't link to Germany, there is an article at "ethnic German" that is more suitable. But where we are talking about "German" in the sense of "citizen of Germany" then I think the link should go to the country. In either case it shouldn't go to the disambiguation page at [[German]]. So I think the Isaac Barrow link is best at [[England|English]].

In the case of ancient civilisations I am probably not as accurate with my disambiguation as I should be. I try to send the link to a specific article on that civilisation where such an article exists, and to the geographical region where it doesn't. The article on the country should include the history of the area, so is more appropriate than the disambiguation page. But I'm no expert on ancient civilisations and so am likely to miss some more suitable links, especially if they are not yet listed on the relevant disambiguation page. To a large extent I rely on the original author being accurate and not describing someone as Russian if they are really mean they were of the Khazars.

I try to make my disambiguation accurate and relevant but I'm always grateful for any corrections when I get it wrong! Regards -- sannse 19:12 Apr 30, 2003 (UTC)

Yes, thank you very much for your answer. Just one more thing that bothers me. As we said about Isaac Barrows' link. Many times I see for English persons also links as at Michael Moorcock ... prolific British writer. What about this? Does being British depend on historical events (e.g. 'Queen of England') or who shall we consider British? Can we easily just say for one to be English, Irish, Scottish or do we still need an adjective British? And when exactly do we use it? Perhaps the term is uncorrectly used by foreigners. We used to say for persons who were born or lived in former Soviet Union from 1910s to 1990s to be Soviet, but many of them were Russians or from other nations -- and I guess this is not the same case. I know that many would say for someone from former Yugoslavia he was Yugoslav. This was of course just a citizenship since, as we all know, there were many nations in this country. But there was an option (mainly at censuses) for someone to declare himself to be of Yugoslav nationality. There is also a debate going on about Macedonians and Macedonian Slavs. (The last term is, as it seems, artificial, but I'm not an expect either and I do not want to fall in this quarrel.) I just want to use an adjective British properly. --XJamRastafire 09:40 May 5, 2003 (UTC)

In general, I think the specific terms are better, simply because they give more information. An article on Sean Connery would be very odd if it just described him as British, his Scottish origin is important. But at times someone is described as British - either because it's not necessary to be more specific, or because the author is not sure what to use, or a persons origin is more complicated (someone born in England to a Welsh mother and a Scottish father for example). I'm afraid I can't give a definitive answer, perhaps someone more knowledgeable than me could make the choice clearer. -- sannse 17:23 May 6, 2003 (UTC)

Did the image of the fat guy's genitals actually replace the logo displayed on every page (that might have required a hard page reload if true)? I'm not sure if image:wiki.png is live in that way... (at least I hope that is the case). --mav 10:40 May 10, 2003 (UTC)

I think it didn't (thanks goodness!) I didn't force a refresh so it may have been that the old image was coming from my cache, but as far as I could see it just affected the pages listed on the image info page. It might be worth checking with Brion though, I'd hate to think someone could do that to the main logo! -- sannse 10:47 May 10, 2003 (UTC)

Hi Sannse. I like the way you integrated the kennel club info into the taxobox on Dingo. That is a neat, tidy and informative solution, I think. Later on, I'll add some more info from the natural history/ecology point of view. It's a dual-purpose entry (and I see no need to split it) so feel free to edit it up with any other "Dingo as a dog breed" info as appropriate. Best -- Tannin

Thanks, I'll see what else I can find -- sannse 08:17 May 14, 2003 (UTC)

Thanks! Jimregan 20:46 15 May 2003 (UTC)

Minesweeper's solution was better. I keep learning :) -- sannse 20:48 15 May 2003 (UTC)

Sannse, I agree with your comment on the talk page for defense, so many legal pages link there, there really should be defense (law) and defence (law). - Alex756 10:36 16 May 2003 (UTC)

Answer at Talk:Defense, and thanks for the reply :) -- sannse 19:03 16 May 2003 (UTC)

Good job straightening out the [[defense (...)] mess. Alex756 20:33 17 May 2003 (UTC)

Yup I'm sure you are right re Lassie and Border Collie, have said so on its Talk page. Well spotted (not a dalmatian joke) - I saw it but did not click. Nevilley 00:19 17 May 2003 (UTC)

Heh. No problem. I guess it's a good thing that second vandal came along or I wouldn't have noticed. <g> - Hephaestos

Thanks for the help by the way. Same guy I'm fairly sure. - Hephaestos

I've not needed to help much - you are fast! Looks like the same bloke to me. I'll be pleased when we get the ability to block people like this, it might help discourage a few (well... maybe... I can dream can't I?). I'll have to leave you to it for a mo anyway - gotta get my morning coffee. -- sannse 07:46 17 May 2003 (UTC)

Hi Sannse, good work with our friend TheStick, he seems to have got bored now. -- Ams80

Looks like it. I expect he will be back at some time though -- sannse

Hi Sannse,

There are many factual inaccuracies in the "Historical note" section at the bottom of the Hinduism page. Hence I have removed that section.

Regards, Ndpandit

What we usually do in such a case is move the section to the talk page (Talk:Hinduism in this case), or at least leave an explanation on the talk page to give reasons for the deletion. We often get people deleting large parts of articles for no reason, so it's helpful to discuss large deletions. Even better would be if the section could be edited to become accurate rather than deleted outright, but I acknowledge that that isn't always possible. I'll leave a note on the Hinduism talk page. Thanks for responding -- sannse 14:17 17 May 2003 (UTC)

I am appealing to you as a fellow collaborator as well as a sysop. I doubt you have been following the debates over genetic drift, but the basic principle is that allele frequencies change for random reasons, and in some cases, frequencies approach 100 % for some alleles and 0% for others. Moreover, the disappearance of alleles is as important to evolution as their “fixation.” This is an issue in the article, Neutral theory of molecular evolution. An earlier version of the article had this section:

A second assertion or hypothesis of the neutral theory is that most evolutionary change is the result of genetic drift acting on neutral alleles. Through drift, these alleles rise to dominance or become "fixed" in populations.

The implication is that drift involves solely a rise to dominance or fixation.That is misleading, and I changed it to:

Through drift, some alleles rise to dominance or become "fixed" in populations, while others disappear.

You may or may not be aware that I and 168 have had some issues. Well, I made this change to the article – I believe it is a clear, well-written, and entirely accurate change that in no way diminishes the rest of the article – and 168 reverted it. I believe he views that article as his property, and that he has effectively banned me from working on it. I can go on correcting the article, but it gets silly after a while. I need some sort of support – and whether you agree with me or 168, the article needs some sort of intervention. Thanks, Slrubenstein 20:11 23 May 2003 (UTC)

This lead to an interesting and educational discussion... thanks Steve! I hope I've left things a little clearer over there. I have to dismantle this computer now ready for my house move so I can't continue, but I feel we are at a point now where the article can go forward again. -- sannse 09:21 25 May 2003 (UTC)

Yes, it looks like you and I are on the same page about drift and evolution -- perhaps you will have more luck educating 168. In any event, good luck with your house move -- I hope you don't have too many headaches! Slrubenstein

Thanks very much for your participation and patience in the Neutral discussion, Sannse. Assuming we indeed go forward, it will have been thanks to you. 168... 16:26 25 May 2003 (UTC)

Only 57th? jimfbleak 08:20 8 Jun 2003 (UTC)

OK,OK, Mr "I'm 56th" Bleak. Besides, I was robbed, I hit the 4000 mark sometime yesterday - too late for those edits to be counted. Just you wait till next time it's updated ;) -- sannse

Hi Sannse About Image:Bucket in the sand.png I noticed that your version was smaller than anyone elses, and I was wondering what image editor you used ? I've cleaned up the image a little, removed the gap on the handle, got rid of the spurios little black line, and then converted it to 4 bit colour, but I still can't get the file size down to your version. Theresa knott 08:38 13 Jun 2003 (UTC)

I use Paint Shop Pro. I don't know if you have it, but if not the latest trial version (v.8) is at http://www.jasc.com/ (I use v.7 but they are probably much the same)

If you do have it, click on the 'options' button as you save the image, then the 'run optimizer' button. I always save this sort of image with 0% dithering, which cuts down the size and makes for a cleaner image. I also set the colours to as few as possible for the image. The image size is shown as you change settings, so it's easy to fiddle around until you get it as small as possible. Running your latest through this gives me 1026 bytes.

It's a good picture by the way :) I was thinking of adding it to my sandbox too, although I prefer the yellow background so it blends in with the page. Anyway, let me know if I can help more -- sannse 16:50 13 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Wouldn't it be easiest to make a transparent background, should work whether it's a GIF or PNG? That way it looks fine on either page. -- John Owens 20:47 13 Jun 2003 (UTC)

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