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A van used by attackers seized, a noticeable evidence

In Wellawatte, a region located in Colombo-06 there was an evidence claimed regarding the transportation mode used by bombers. Police officials have claimed a van which is believed to be used by the attackers was seized and further a temporary shelter in Panadura where the attackers resided has also been identified but the details are yet to be clarified. About 7 people have been arrested including few women suspects and this info can be included in the article with proper sources. Abishe (talk) 02:43, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

https://www.newsfirst.lk/2019/04/21/van-used-to-transport-attackers-arrested/

RS? (not that link) Kingsif (talk) 02:45, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It is not ethnocentric to know that "church" is a simple and widely-understood term

It has equivalences in hundreds of languages, many of which reflect the English. If we're not going to define "bomb", we needn't define "church". All Christians know what a mosque, a synagogue, a gurdwara are, let's not pretend other religions are stupid. Kingsif (talk) 02:56, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Majesty of the Commons: Seriously, it's ridiculous over-PC to try to claim church is an "ethnocentric" word. Kingsif (talk) 02:59, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I wanted to use "religocentric", but it doesn't look to be a word often used in the sense I wanted.
There are billions of people unfamiliar with the Christian religion who either wouldn't immediately connect the word "church" to an anti-Christian attack, or are not familiar with the variety of buildings that can be a church, and would be interested to read further. I know I would be interested to read, and easily browse to, an article about mosques after a mosque attack. I think the link is both useful and harmless and should stay.
Majesty of the Commons (talk) 03:14, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
1/3 of the world are Christians. Most of the rest have heard about it. Linking is for unfamiliar terms and not for "read some more" - that's what google is for, feel free to try it! Note that I also "wouldn't immediately connect the word "church" to an anti-Christian attack", because that's not a context they're usually found in, but it doesn't take a genius to work that one out from this article literally saying that people deliberately went to detonate bombs in churches to attack Christians. People may not be smart, but they are nowhere near as ignorant as you seem to believe. Ethnocentric would be assuming everyone knew about Canterbury Cathedral - one of the most important Protestant churches, but a specific building in one country nonetheless - and hence it is linked in the article. Come off it. Kingsif (talk) 03:21, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I follow links for terms with which I am familiar to "read some more" all the time. Yes, linking every second word would be distracting overkill, but I see many Christians and non-Christians wanting to follow a "Church (Building)" link, so a slight blue colour is worth it. Majesty of the Commons (talk) 03:35, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
It comes down to the fact that "common" terms are not linked, people go around removing them, so why bother adding it. Links I've added that have been removed as "common terms" include things like mini-fridge and Colombia. One's a thing that doesn't exist in most places, the other is a country most people can't even spell right, but they're still "common", go figure, we can speculate the criteria but I assure you that "church (building)" would be one of the first things to pass it. Great for you following links you know, but google exists if you don't know something without one. Kingsif (talk) 03:39, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Not to mention the fact that "church" is used in different senses in the article - the type of building (of which there is a lovely picture right at the top! in case anyone didn't know! not like they're in every city in the world!), and as a communion, and as a religious unity (i.e. the church). So to link one of the meanings at the top without writing a long distinguishing paragraph would surely confuse people who genuinely don't know what a church is (perhaps one of the few remote tribes that missionaries haven't tried to convert yet?) I'm finding this quite funny but also relatively annoying. Kingsif (talk) 03:29, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The word I linked was used in the sense to which I linked.
You preempted the discussion by reverting the edit!
I'm done with Wikipedia.
Majesty of the Commons (talk) 03:43, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
In order: sarcasm (but with hints of being serious; if you think someone doesn't know what a church is they are going to be running with the building definition even when the Pope uses it otherwise); I thought that was a separate instance, hence the edit reason, as in "ridiculous you'd link it twice!"; I don't know how much you like it here, but it's a good outlet, you should stay (even I dislike some of the guidelines, I know) Kingsif (talk) 03:53, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Pretty sure most people know what a church is, but also pretty sure they know what a Buddhist or Islamist is, too. Perhaps whatever exception those two generic terms get works for churches, as well. Or perhaps the capital letters just tricked someone into thinking they were proper nouns. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:16, April 23, 2019 (UTC)

Linking to the "Church (Building)" article

Kingsif destroyed my edit linking "church" to the "Church (Building)" article, disagreeing with my reason that it was ethocentric to assume that readers knew that "church" meant a Christian place of worship, providing information that it was an anti-Christian attack. I invite Kingsif or others to make their case that the link is not worthwhile. Majesty of the Commons (talk) 03:00, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'm guessing you missed where I pinged you? And also the memo that saying someone "destroyed" your edit when they just removed it for a legitimate reason is a bit WP:UNCIVIL? Kingsif (talk) 03:03, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Majesty of the Commons: See above where I opened discussion and pinged you already Kingsif (talk) 03:07, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Destruction of correct information should be done with good cause, and usually due process. On an encyclopedia of unlimited size, the only good reason is clarity. I've had too many of my carefully-prepared edits thoughtlessly removed by people who seem to delight in destruction. I apologise for my frustration. Majesty of the Commons (talk) 03:28, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Eh, it's alright, I'm a bit frustrated too, based on the fact it is, honestly, completely unnecessary and (if I may be bold) actually insulting to non-Christians that you think it's necessary. Kingsif (talk) 03:31, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Another politician's relative died during the bombings

It was earlier reported that a relative of UK politician Tulip Siddiq died during the explosions. https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/breaking-sri-lanka-bombings-labour-14444019 But the information which was added by someone in the article was later removed because of its less importance. Another politician's relative also reported to have died today in an hospital and it was the grandson of Bangladeshi politician Sheikh Selim. I think this is also not that important to be included under the section of header Victims but I don't know whether this casualty is included or not in the number of deaths. (so far recorded as 215) Abishe (talk) 03:08, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

https://www.dhakatribune.com/bangladesh/2019/04/21/sheikh-selim-s-son-in-law-grandson-injured-in-sri-lanka-bomb-blast

That will be the same person, all are part of the very powerful Sheikh–Wazed family, a Bangladeshi political dynasty. But no, apparently not important. He will be included in the number of deaths, especially if the family knew hours ago. Kingsif (talk) 03:12, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I think he should be included, he could well be a politician - but also, like, American politicians' relatives would be included if caught up in this, why not a Bangladeshi one? Kingsif (talk) 03:24, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
See WP:NOTINHERITED, relatives of ANY politician have no particular notability. WWGB (talk) 03:34, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
If Barron Trump was even near Sri Lanka it would be international headlines, and you know it. Kingsif (talk) 03:36, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 22 April 2019 2

There has been a chruch attacked in the outskirts of Jaffna and a mosque in Puttalam. 43.250.240.100 (talk) 03:48, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Sources? But that sounds interesting enough to look for myself... and nothing comes up. Kingsif (talk) 03:55, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. B dash (talk) 09:24, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 22 April 2019

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Closed. Given the proposed title's ambiguity (of which the move requester was unaware), this change obviously isn't feasible. —David Levy 10:33, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

2019 Sri Lanka Easter bombings → Sri Lanka Easter bombings – (Policies: WP:CONCISE, WP:COMMONNAME; Guideline: WP:NOYEAR) This is the only article on Wikipedia about the bombings of Sri Lanka on Easter. Therefore, this could be renamed to Sri Lanka Easter bombings until a second notable bombing event in Sri Lanka happens in the future to adhere to the title's conciseness.

For example, see
(Talk) 2017 Manchester Arena bombing → Manchester Arena bombing
(Talk) 2018 YouTube headquarters shooting → YouTube headquarters shooting
(Talk) 2018 China–United States trade war → China–United States trade war (2018–present) → China–United States trade war
(Talk) 2019 Utrecht shooting → Utrecht tram shooting
(Talk) 2019 Boeing 737 MAX groundings → Boeing 737 MAX groundings

— Wei4Green | 唯绿远大 (talk) 06:59, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

That's the shortest-lived requested move discussion I've seen. —Wei4Green | 唯绿远大 (talk) 10:39, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Usually, I would support the removal of a superfluous year. I just happened to find the earlier article. Good try anyway. Regards, WWGB (talk) 10:45, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the little lesson in trickery history. ;) —Wei4Green | 唯绿远大 (talk) 10:49, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Spelling of perpetrator group's name

The article is saying the perpetrator is ...'Thowfeek'... but almost every source around the world is using a variation of 'Thowheed'. This is also the spelling used by the India based group TNTJ (not sure if they are affiliated)

al Jazeera (Qatar) https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/04/sri-lanka-bombings-latest-updates-190421092621543.html

NYTimes (USA) https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/22/world/asia/ntj-sri-lanka-national-thowheeth-jamaath.html

Xinhua Net (China) http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2019-04/22/c_137998569.htm

Business Times (Singapore) https://www.businesstimes.com.sg/government-economy/sri-lanka-blames-national-thowheed-jamath-for-deadly-blasts

The Guardian (UK) https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2019/apr/22/sri-lanka-attacks-bombings-live-news

Wall Street Journal (USA) https://www.wsj.com/articles/sri-lanka-makes-arrests-in-easter-bombing-attacks-11555918580

Bloomberg (USA) https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-04-22/sri-lanka-searches-for-answers-after-easter-blasts-kill-hundreds

Hindustan Times (India) https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/sri-lanka-blames-local-militant-group-national-thowheed-jamath-for-blasts-that-killed-290/story-IKnse8fiNnfE4ngsbJ0uUM.html

RT (Russia) https://www.rt.com/news/457200-sri-lanka-local-militant-group/

ALso, maybe someone can add that the president is about to appoint a committee to investigate

https://www.news.lk/news/political-current-affairs/item/25086-president-to-appoint-a-special-committee-to-investigate-the-attacks

Yeah, that alternate spelling came out of multiple 2:30pm Monday press conference reports, so I'm changing it back to 'Thowheed,' which is what they call themselves. The announcement of the formation of a committee is a little too WP:RECENTIST and content-free to be encyclopedic. I'm sure they will make it in here when they publish something. EllenCT (talk) 10:11, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Update: That was a different group I linked to, sorry. It's cleared up now. EllenCT (talk) 18:09, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Qatar / Bahrain / UAE

Have all released statements condemning the attack

TRT source

https://www.trtworld.com/asia/world-leaders-react-to-sri-lanka-terror-attacks-26048

Bloomberg source

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-04-21/urgent-the-latest-6-blasts-target-churches-hotels-in-sri-lanka


Also, perhaps the UN should not be grouped with the other countries? Maybe have them in the main article

'The United Nations and leaders of numerous countries …' or something

Bombs found in Kotahena

Bombs were found in a van which has been parked for two days in front of a church in Kotahena. An explosion has occurred while the bomb disposal units were disposing the bomb. HiruRathnayaka (talk) 11:10, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

A bomb which was discovered in a van near the Kochikade church was exploded while defusing and no casualties reported. A deadly CCTV footage has also been revealed by an Indian media regarding the bomb blast of the van. Abishe (talk) 11:25, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

https://www.thehindu.com/news/international/sri-lanka-bomb-blasts-on-easter-daylive-updates-april-22-2019/article26908682.ece

https://newsin.asia/another-minor-explosion-reported-in-colombo/

The bomb has been exploded purposely by the special task forces as a method of disposing it. The people were removed from the area by the police before the explosion. HiruRathnayaka (talk) 11:52, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Founder of NTJ and Mastermind behind the attacks

The founder of the NTJ as well as the mastermind behind the attacks have been identified as Zahran Hashim

http://www.colombopage.com/NEW_LPC/NewsFiles19/Apr22_1555899996.php https://m.jpost.com/International/Who-is-Moulvi-Zahran-Hashim-mastermind-of-one-of-the-Sri-Lanka-attacks-587544/amp

- UmdP 11:16, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 22 April 2019

Japan[1] 112.135.80.64 (talk) 12:24, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

 Done: Thanks for the info (Edit). —Wei4Green | 唯绿远大 (talk) 14:20, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

87 detonators were found in Colombo Fort Bus Station as a result of raid and Sri Lanka declares state of emergency from 22 April 2019 midnight

Police officials confirmed that about 87 detonators were found at Central Colombo bus station in Pettah on 22 April 2019 afternoon. Due to the high tensions following the bombings, Sri Lanka have officially reimposed a new curfew from 8pm night and further a state of emergency has also been declared from 22 April 2019 midnight onwards. Abishe (talk) 13:03, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/south-asia/sri-lanka-police-find-87-bomb-detonators-at-bus-station/articleshow/68990604.cms

All 5 or 6 of the Indian casualties are believed to be political workers from Karnataka

Indian political workers who are from Karnataka of JDS party were on a holiday trip to Sri Lanka while completed three phases of political campaigning for the ongoing Indian general elections in Karnataka, stayed in one of the three luxury hotels which were targeted and bombed with leaving all five of them dead.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/2-jd-s-members-among-indians-killed-in-sri-lanka-blasts/articleshow/68986519.cms

Real Madrid mourns the massacre with one minute silence before start of the match

On 21 April 2019, before the start of play between hosts Real Madrid and Athletic Bilbao in the ongoing Laliga league in Spain at the Santiago Bernabéu Stadium a minute silence was maintained at the stadium as a tribute to Sri Lankan victims who were killed in the multiple bomb attacks. Can this be posted under international response? Abishe (talk) 13:38, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

https://www.realmadrid.com/en/news/2019/04/minutes-silence-at-the-santiago-bernabeu

http://www.adaderana.lk/sports/8058/real-madrid-hold-a-minutes-silence-for-sri-lankan-victims

https://sport.detik.com/sepakbola/gila-bola/d-4519834/real-madrid-dan-psg-beri-tribute-untuk-korban-bom-paskah-sri-lanka

No. It has no direct importance to the attack. WWGB (talk) 14:03, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 22 April 2019

Eiffel Tower goes dark to honor the victims[2] Inosuperman (talk) 16:15, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ https://www.mofa.go.jp/s_sa/sw/lk/page4e_001008.html
  2. ^ https://edition.cnn.com/2019/04/21/europe/eiffel-tower-lights-off-sri-lanka/index.html
It is not "notable", and there are similar events. Have a look under "Reactions". --AntanO 17:58, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 22 April 2019

Remove 1 from victims from the Netherlands and put 3 there instead.https://nos.nl/artikel/2281611-nog-twee-nederlandse-doden-in-sri-lanka.html (Dutch).

Maxmoney2 (talk) 18:27, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Any source? --AntanO 18:34, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Anyone knows Dutch and check it? --AntanO 19:08, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps WP:DUTCH can help out? JTP (talk • contribs) 20:04, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Title says: 2 more dead Dutchmen in Sri Lanka. First parapgraph: the attacks in Sri Lanka took the lives of two more Dutchmen. The Ministry of Foreign Affairs announced this in the Hague. Thereby the number of Dutch victims in Sri Lanka rised to three. So it's correct. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.182.43.148 (talk) 20:05, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Could someone who knows Dutch create a ref so the table can be updated? Kingsif (talk) 20:09, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Title

I was wondering if 2019 Sri Lanka Easter bombings should be renamed to 2019 Sri Lanka Easter Sunday bombings? Govvy (talk) 19:03, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Long enough already with the year and two-word country. First you want Sunday, next someone wants "church and hotel", someone always wants "terrorist". Save it for the lead, I say. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:44, April 22, 2019 (UTC)

A bombing occurred on Easter Monday[1] Manabimasu (talk) 23:49, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  1. ^ https://www.france24.com/en/20190422-sri-lanka-explosion-police-mine-bomb-squad-colombo-church-terrorism

Islamic terrorism is not a motive, let alone THE motive

A motive is why someone does a thing. Islamic terrorism is a thing some Muslims do to push an agenda, often pertaining to Islam. When we know that agenda, we'll have our motive. Putting "Islamic terrorism" in in the meanwhile is just meaningless (like telling your wife you cheated on her because Christian adultery) and makes Wikipedia look partially illiterate. Put it in the Type field if it needs to be somewhere in the infobox; at least that makes sense, true or false. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:35, April 22, 2019 (UTC)

Regardless of the technical point you were making on the infobox, the facts are clear enough at this point. Stop being a politically-correct apologist for mass murder and let's call a spade a spade.

Islamic terrorism, Islamist terrorism or radical Islamic terrorism is defined as any terrorist act, set of acts or campaign committed by groups or individuals who profess Islamic or Islamist motivations or goals.[1] Islamic terrorists justify their violent tactics through their own interpretation of the Quran and Hadith.[2][3] The motivation for Islamic terrorism in part comes from the idea of Islamic supremacy which is encapsulated in the formula, "Islam is exalted and nothing is exalted above it."[4]

  1. ^ B. Hoffman, Inside Terrorism, Columbia University Press, 1999, pp. 89–97. ISBN 978-0231126991
  2. ^ Holbrook, Donald (2010). "Using the Qur'an to Justify Terrorist Violence". Perspectives on Terrorism. 4 (3). Terrorism Research Initiative and Centre for the Study of Terrorism and Political Violence.
  3. ^ Holbrook, Donald (2014). The Al-Qaeda Doctrine. London: Bloomsbury Publishing. pp. 30ff, 61ff, 83ff. ISBN 978-1623563141.
  4. ^ Yohanan, Friedmann (2003). Morgan, David (ed.). Tolerance and Coercion in Islam: Interfaith Relations in the Muslim Tradition. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press. ISBN 978-0521827034. OCLC 57256339.
Darkest Tree Talk 00:16, 23 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, it's defined as an act. That's what I meant by "thing". If the people who committed this terrorist act (did this thing) professed a motivation or goal, that motivation or goal is the motive. Has nothing to do with political correctness. I wouldn't say a car is fueled by automobile, either. "Islamic supremacism" could work, if that's verifiable. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:24, April 23, 2019 (UTC)

All redirects

If anyone has any redirects please put them down? What do you think about adding Redirects to the article?Manabimasu (talk) 23:43, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

There are a number of redirects currently. Killiondude (talk) 04:48, 23 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

9th explosion

An explosion occurred while police were trying to diffuse the bomb. Where does this go because it happened on Monday but is after the “Aftermath” subsection.[1]Manabimasu (talk) 23:48, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  1. ^ https://www.france24.com/en/20190422-sri-lanka-explosion-police-mine-bomb-squad-colombo-church-terrorism

Sri Lankan cricketers survived from the bombings with minor damages

Sri Lankan all rounder Dasun Shanaka who is from Negombo had a brief meeting with ESPN Cricinfo and told them that he was fortunate to have survived from the bombing which took place at a church in Negombo where he didn't attend the mass event due to exhaustion with his mother facing minor injuries and his grandmother hit on her head with shrapnel. Another young Sri Lankan cricketer Hasitha Boyagoda also narrowly escaped with minor injuries after having breakfast at Shangri-La Hotel. May be this thing might not be quite important.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/26580009/never-forget-scene-dasun-shanaka-revisits-sri-lanka-easter-sunday-horror

https://www.business-standard.com/article/news-ani/dasun-shanaka-revisits-easter-sunday-horror-119042300148_1.html

Urgent: Tell Twitter and YouTube to remove these accounts that belong to the perpetrators of the attacks

Hello everyone, by using the search function on Twitter and YouTube, I was able to find these four accounts that belong to National Thowheeth Jama'ath or NTJ, who perpetrated the attacks. NTJ uses the name "NTJ Media Unit" for its accounts on YouTube and Facebook. I do not have a Twitter or YouTube account, but I hope those who do report these accounts to Twitter and YouTube as soon as possible.

NTJ's account on Twitter

NTJ's first channel on YouTube (created in 2009)

NTJ's second channel on YouTube (created in 2014)

NTJ's third channel on YouTube (created in 2015)

NTJ's Facebook page which was removed by Facebook.

2600:1700:BBD0:8050:796A:F7DB:EFDF:F2A6 (talk) 04:58, 23 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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