Talk:Albert Memorial
This article could do with a picture of the memeorial prior to resroration Franny-K (talk) 19:43, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
Frieze list
Copied from the transcription made here, which states "Concerning the 169 sculptures on the podium the “Historical Summary” states that these represent" (followed by the list below). This appears to be saying that the list is a direct transcription from the official source mentioned here: "The subjects are listed in the official history." (ref to "N.M. pp. 65–90."), where "N.M." is "The National Memorial to His Royal Highness the Prince Consort, 1873."
I've copied the list below, added spaces after initials, removed final periods, and provided a wikilinked version next to the original. I intend to redo the wikilinks to point to the articles that I think are about the people listed here, and also create redirects as needed. Carcharoth (talk) 10:39, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
South Front Poets and Musicians
- (1) D. E. F. Auber - D. E. F. Auber
- (2) E. H. Mehul - E. H. Mehul
- (3) J. P. Rameau - J. P. Rameau
- (4) J. B. Lulli - J. B. Lulli
- (5) A. E. M. Gretry - A. E. M. Gretry
- (6) Jasquin Des Pres - Jasquin Des Pres
- (7) G. Rossini - G. Rossini
- (8) C. Monteverde - C. Monteverde
- (9) G. Carissimi - G. Carissimi
- (10) G. P. A. de Palestrina - G. P. A. de Palestrina
- (11) Guido - Guido
- (12) St. Ambrose - St. Ambrose
- (13) P. Corneille - P. Corneille
- (14) Moliere - Moliere
- (15) Cervantes - Cervantes
- (16) Virgil - Virgil
- (17) Dante - Dante
- (18) Pythagoras - Pythagoras
- (19) Homer - Homer
- (20) G. Chaucer - G. Chaucer
- (21) W. Shakespeare - W. Shakespeare
- (22) J. Milton - J. Milton
- (23) Goethe - Goethe
- (24) Schiller - Schiller
- (25) Bach - Bach
- (26) Gluck - Gluck
- (27) Handel - Handel
- (28) Mozart - Mozart
- (29) Mendelssohn - Mendelssohn
- (30) Haydn - Haydn
- (31) Weber - Weber
- (32) Beethoven - Beethoven
- (33) T. Tallis - T. Tallis
- (34) O. Gibbons - O. Gibbons
- (35) H. Lawes - H. Lawes
- (36) H. Purcell - H. Purcell
- (37) T. A. Arne - T. A. Arne
- (38) W. Boyce - W. Boyce
- (39) Sir H. R. Bishop - Sir H. R. Bishop
East Front Painters
- (1) J. M. W. Turner - J. M. W. Turner
- (2) Sir. D. Wilkie - Sir. D. Wilkie
- (3) S. J. Reynolds - S. J. Reynolds
- (4) T. Gainsborough - T. Gainsborough
- (5) W. Hogarth - W. Hogarth
- (6) Rembrandt - Rembrandt
- (7) Rubens - Rubens
- (8) Holbein - Holbein
- (9) Durer - Durer
- (10) H. and J. Van Eyck - H. Van Eyck
- (10a) H. and J. Van Eyck - J. Van Eyck
- (11) S. Lockner - S. Lockner
- (12) Cimabue - Cimabue
- (13) Orcagna - Orcagna
- (14) Giotto - Giotto
- (15) Fra Angelico - Fra Angelico
- (16) Ghirlandajo - Ghirlandajo
- (17) Masaccio - Masaccio
- (18) L. Da Vinci - L. Da Vinci
- (19) Raphael - Raphael
- (20) M. Angelo - M. Angelo
- (21) Bellini - Bellini
- (22) Titian - Titian
- (23) Mantegna - Mantegna
- (24) P. Veronese - P. Veronese
- (25) Tintoretto - Tintoretto
- (26) Coreggio - Coreggio
- (27) A. Caracci - A. Caracci
- (28) L. Carraci - L. Carraci
- (29) Velasquez - Velasquez
- (30) Murillo - Murillo
- (31) Poussin - Poussin
- (32) Claude - Claude
- (33) J. L. David - J. L. David
- (34) Gerard - Gerard
- (35) Gerecault - Gerecault
- (36) Delacroix - Delacroix
- (37) Vernet - Vernet
- (38) Delaroche - Delaroche
- (39) Ingres - Ingres
- (40) Decamps - Decamps
North Front Architects
- (1) Pugin - Pugin
- (2) Scott - Scott
- (3) Cockerell - Cockerell
- (4) Barry - Barry
- (5) Chambers - Chambers
- (6) Vanbrugh - Vanbrugh
- (7) Wren - Wren
- (8) Inigo Jones - Inigo Jones
- (9) Mansart - Mansart
- (10) Thorpe - Thorpe
- (11) Palladio - Palladio
- (12) Vignola - Vignola
- (13) Delorme - Delorme
- (14) Sansovino - Sansovino
- (15) San Gallo - San Gallo
- (16) Peruzzi - Peruzzi
- (17) Bramante - Bramante
- (18) William of Wykeham - William of Wykeham
- (19) Alberti - Alberti
- (20) Brunelleschi - Brunelleschi
- (21) Giotto - Giotto
- (22) Arndfo Di Lapo - Arndfo Di Lapo (sp.) Arnolfo di Lapo
- (23) Ermin Van Steinbach - Ermin Van Steinbach (sp.) - Erwin von Steinbach
- (24) Johan de Chelles - Johan de Chelles (future redirect) - Jean de Chelles
- (25) R. de Courcy - R. de Courcy
- (26) William of Sens - William of Sens
- (27) William the Englishman - William the Englishman
- (28) Abbe Suger - Abbe Suger
- (29) Anthemius - Anthemius
- (30) Appollodonus - Appollodonus (sp.) Apollodorus
- (31) Hermodoraus - Hermodoraus (sp.) Hermodorus (no article yet)
- (32) Callimchus - Callimchus (sp.) - Callimachus
- (33) Libon - Libon
- (34) Callicrates - Callicrates
- (35) Ictinus - Ictinus
- (36) Mnesicles - Mnesicles
- (37) Chersiphron - Chersiphron
- (38) Metagenes - Metagenes
- (39) Rhoscus - Rhoscus (sp. - Rhoecus
- (40) Theodorus - Theodorus
- (41) Hiram - Hiram
- (42) Bezaleel - Bezaleel
- (43) Sennacherib - Sennacherib
- (44) Nitocris - Nitocris
- (45) Cheops - Cheops
West Front Sculptors
- (1) Egyptian - Egyptian
- (2) Assyrian - Assyrian
- (3) R. Loecus - R. Loecus (sp.) - Rhoecus
- (4) Dibutades - Dibutades
- (5) Bupalus - Bupalus
- (6) Phidias - Phidias
- (7) Scopas - Scopas
- (8) Bryaxis - Bryaxis
- (9) Leochanes - Leochanes (sp.) - Leochares
- (10) Praxiteles - Praxiteles
- (11) Lysippus - Lysippus
- (12) Chanes - Chanes (sp.) - Chares
- (13) Giuliano de Ravenna - Giuliano de Ravenna (not found yet)
- (14) Niccola Pisano - Niccola Pisano
- (15) Ghiberti - Ghiberti
- (16) Luca Deklla Robbia - Luca Deklla Robbia (sp.) - Luca della Robbia
- (17) W. Tonel - W. Tonel (sp.) - William Torel
- (18) William of Ireland - William of Ireland (no article yet)
- (19) Verrocchio - Verrocchio
- (20) Donatello - Donatello
- (21) Michael Angelo - Michael Angelo
- (22) Torrigiano - Torrigiano
- (23) Gian. Di Balogna - Gian. Di Balogna (sp.) - Giovanni Da Bologna
- (24) Vischer - Vischer
- (25) Bandinelli - Bandinelli
- (26) Cellini - Cellini
- (27) Baccio D'agnelo - Baccio D'agnelo (sp.) - Baccio D'Agnolo
- (28) Gaujon - Gaujon (sp.) - Goujon
- (29) Palisay - Palisay (sp.) - Palissy
- (30) Bontemps - Bontemps (future redirect) - Pierre Bontemps
- (31) Pilon - Pilon
- (32) Cano - Cano
- (33) Stone - Stone
- (34) Bernini - Bernini
- (35) Cibber - Cibber
- (36) Puget - Puget
- (37) Gibbons - Gibbons
- (38) F. Bird - F. Bird
- (39) Bushnell - Bushnell
- (40) Roubiliac - Roubiliac
- (41) Canova - Canova
- (42) Flaxman - Flaxman
- (43) David D'Angers - David D'Angers
- (44) Thorvaldsen - Thorvaldsen
The above will be used as the working draft for what will appear in the article. Corrections and comments welcomed. Carcharoth (talk) 10:39, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
Useful list
Lives of the Most Excellent Painters, Sculptors, and Architects. Could be useful. Carcharoth (talk) 14:57, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
Another source
"The records indicate comparatively little discussion of the subject-matter of Scott's 'frieze' of reliefs. Its affinity to Delaroche's Hémicycle des Beaux Arts in the École des Beaux Arts was avowed by Scott himself." - anyone know what "Delaroche's Hémicycle des Beaux Arts in the École des Beaux Arts" is? Ah, Hippolyte Delaroche is the one. And Hippolyte Delaroche#The Hémicycle is helpful in explaining this. Carcharoth (talk) 17:33, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
Tidbits of information
Found by persuing "what links here":
- Richard Coad
- Alexander Milne Calder
- Clayton and Bell
- Salviati (glassmakers)
- Robert Moreland
- Alyson Hunter
The information from those articles is of varying relevance to this article. Carcharoth (talk) 22:57, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
Redlinks and disambiguation pages
The following are those from the frieze that are still redlinks or disambiguation pages with no article or are otherwise uncertain.
- Jean de Chelles - see fr:Jean de Chelles and 'what links here'
- Richard de Courcy (wrong date as the architects are in chronological order) - ASK AT REF DESK (could be Robert de Courcy, founded a Benedictine nunnery in Somerset - see Cannington, Somerset)
- Hermodorus of Salamis - see Temple of Jupiter Stator
- Hiram Abiff (need separate article on the ancient architect - see also Hiram I)
- Sennacherib, Nitocris and Cheops need explicating as to their architectural achievements. Sennacherib and Cheops are fairly clear, but Nitocris seems to be here because at one time it was thought that she built the "third pyramid at Giza", but now that is attributed by "modern historians" to Menkaura. Find out what people thought at the time the Albert Memorial was being built. ASK AT REF DESK (still drawing a blank here)
- Giuliano de Ravenna - ASK AT REF DESK (possibly the "Giuliano Argentario" or Iulianus Argentarius, mentioned at Basilica of San Vitale and at Basilica of Sant'Apollinare in Classe)
- W. Tonel - ASK AT REF DESK (spelling mistake - should be William Torel - see 'what links here')
- William of Ireland - see Northampton Eleanor cross
- Pierre Bontemps - see fr:Pierre Bontemps and 'what links here'
- Done Stone - Nicholas Stone
- Done Puget - Pierre Paul Puget
- Done Gibbons - Grinling Gibbons
- Bushnell - John Bushnell - no article yet, see 'what links here'
Last four are disambiguation pages. Use Google to find their first names. Carcharoth (talk) 06:33, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
- Giuliano di Ravenna: What do you feel about Giuliano Argentario, who is variously described as having financed or designed churches around Ravenna, such as San Vitale(547 AD) and San Apollinare in Classe (549 AD) SaundersW (talk) 21:19, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
- Looks very promising. Unfortunately, I can't find any confirmation. Someone somewhere should know, though. I just have to dig around and ask people. I suspect the answer is not yet on the internet. Carcharoth (talk) 06:56, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
- IF he is the right one, and IF the attribution of the image is correct, there is a portrait of him here right behind Justinian's shoulder. SaundersW (talk) 15:53, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
- Some more links. Basilica of Sant'Apollinare in Classe, Basilica of San Vitale, and another form of his name is Iulianus Argentarius (just a redirect, unfortunately). The statue of him (if it is him) can be seen here (there is enough detail to zoom in). Carcharoth (talk) 16:10, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
- IF he is the right one, and IF the attribution of the image is correct, there is a portrait of him here right behind Justinian's shoulder. SaundersW (talk) 15:53, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
- Looks very promising. Unfortunately, I can't find any confirmation. Someone somewhere should know, though. I just have to dig around and ask people. I suspect the answer is not yet on the internet. Carcharoth (talk) 06:56, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
New image(s)
I visited the Albert Memorial yesterday and took plenty of photos (more detailed images of the freises as well as a couple of the whole monument itself. I do like the old one though so I'm not sure if they are better than the existing one. Just different. I'll upload them today and let you decide. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 12:02, 13 May 2008 (UTC)