Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Hkelkar 2/Evidence
 | Please make a section for your evidence and add evidence only in your own section. Please limit your evidence to a maximum 1000 words and 100 diffs; a shorter, concise presentation is more likely to be effective. Please focus on the issues raised in the complaint and on diffs which illustrate behavior which relates to the issues. If you disagree with some evidence you see here, please cite the evidence in your own section and provide counter-evidence, or an explanation of why the evidence is misleading. Do not edit within the evidence section of any other user. |
| Pending further clarification from the committee, e-mails should not be posted publicly as evidence unless the sender and all recipients consent. Thatcher131 15:51, 1 May 2007 (UTC) |
Anyone, whether directly involved or not, may add evidence to this page. Please make a header for your evidence and sign your comments with your name.
When placing evidence here, please be considerate of the arbitrators and be concise. Long, rambling, or stream-of-conciousness rants are not helpful.
As such, it is extremely important that you use the prescribed format. Submitted evidence should include a link to the actual page diff; links to the page itself are not sufficient. For example, to cite the edit by Mennonot to the article Anomalous phenomenon adding a link to Hundredth Monkey use this form: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Anomalous_phenomenon&diff=5587219&oldid=5584644] [1].
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Evidence presented by Konstable
Rama's Arrow blatantly abusing privacy
Rama's Arrow (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) decided to post on WP:AN/I private off-wiki emails sent between several other wikipedians, Rama not being the recipient (I will not provide diffs for obvious privacy reasons). Some of these emails did not have real names removed. Furthermore, Rama's Arrow showed amazing carelessness in posting these on WP:AN/I which is one of the busiest Wikipedia: space pages. As an admin, Rama's Arrow should have been well aware of privacy concerns and the use of WP:AN/I for sensitive information, yet he chose to disregard this.
Rama's Arrow does not understand blocking policy
Rama's Arrow (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) blocked indefinitely Anupamsr (talk · contribs · count · api · block log), who had been here for 4 years, with the reason "sockpuppetry" and no further explanation, implying a relation to Hkelkar - he did not care about posting explanations to the blocked user. After Rama blocked his other account Scheibenzahl (talk · contribs · count · api · block log), the blocked user protested and said that he was not Hkelkar, but Rama's Arrow still tried to intimidate this user to be for some reason limited to one account - even though no sock abuse had actually taken place! Rama's Arrow then in a horrible mis-interpretation of WP:SOCK (which in fact clearly states that multiple accounts are permitted) re-blocked this user for two weeks for not announcing more widely the use of his second account.
Evidence presented by Samir
Posting of e-mails
I was the one who redacted the e-mails from ANI [2], and advised Rama's Arrow of the redaction at this diff: [3]. Private correspondence should not be posted on-wiki, and should especially not be posted on a high volume page such as ANI. Without dwelling on the content of the e-mails, it is clear that they contained sensitive material, a lot of which was unrelated to the blocks made by Rama's Arrow; and, as a result, more discretion should have been used by Rama's Arrow in his decision to release this openly on ANI. He should have realized that posting these e-mails would end up inflaming rather than helping this sensitive situation: [4]. One particular e-mail consisted of a Google Chat conversation between two users that was forwarded to him. Posting this in my opinion is akin to posting IRC logs of private conversations.
My honest opinion is that Rama's Arrow was not acting maliciously in doing so; rather, I think his actions were a good faith -- albeit misguided -- attempt to justify difficult blocks he made, in the presence of criticism of them: [5], [6], [7]. -- Samir 06:16, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
Evidence presented by AMbroodEY
Given my personal health problems and coming A Level examinations, i request continuation till 24th of May. I believe my my evidence is central to this case. I also request that my evidecne be seen only by administrators in private. Amey Aryan DaBrood© 16:17, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
Evidence presented by Bakasuprman
Mailing list
The infamous list included AMbroodEY (talk · contribs), Dangerous-Boy (talk · contribs), Scheibenzahl (talk · contribs), Sbhushan (talk · contribs), myself, and most importantly Rama's Arrow (talk · contribs). Rama's arrow was not only a member of this list, but surreptitiously in other emails explicitly asked for assistance.
I have no recollection of Nick being on the list at all, and cannot comment on his alleged role in "cabalism".
There were no attacks on Bhadani from anyone other than hkelkar who gave a eulogy to Godse it seems for nearly a paragraph.
The allegation have been put forth falsely by Rama's Arrow that I was instructing hkelkar. Bull. I was instructing the other users, telling them to work on India related pages and to build bridges with other users. There was no mention of dbachmann (talk · contribs) or Hkelkar (talk · contribs) or Bhadani (talk · contribs) in any email I sent, and not the first one. The second email was telling the users to get over their anti-dab ranting and focus on a couple of categories that needed repair. Again no mention of dab, hkelkar, or bhadani (the triumvirate).
There was no discussion of hkelkar's numerous sockpuppets in the emails nor was there as pointed out above was there any addressment of hkelkar in those emails. Gmail has a "Reply to All" function, which I used meaning hkelkar got those emails, however I did not start the mailing list.Bakaman 01:35, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
c Basically what User:Konstable said happened to me. Rama's arrow comes out of no where, with no evidence, and no explanation and bans me. His conducted was unbecoming of an admin and he should be removed from the project. His actions alone speaks for himself and how he conducts his way of life. To make the shock even worse, Dagizza comes and mocks me on my talk page after I am blocked. I fail to see how oganizing a category is bad for wikipedia. Also, who the heck is Sir Nicholas de Mimsy-Porpington? never even met the man. Another note, I have never communicated with RA through email. There is also no way to confirm if that email is my email address. Also, why is he reading mail addressed to me?!--D-Boy 08:24, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
Evidence presented by Scheibenzahl
I have no evidence to show. There are some points I will make, but they are not too important to this RfA, so I will hold on. I would like to request all the people presenting evidence to forward offending mails to me too.--Scheibenzahl 09:34, 4 May 2007 (UTC)