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ESPN mma source

Why do you revert any edit on MMA fighter's pages which uses ESPN as the source? ESPN is an official partner of UFC and their stats are up to date and reliable. I don't understand what the problem is with citing them as a source on certain fighter's pages which are more up to date than Sherdog. I have no agenda here but I feel it's a disservice to the accuracy of Wikipedia to solely use Sherdog for every fighter page when it is not always the most accurate. Hunterb212 (talk) 16:12, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi. Thanks for using talk. I don't doubt your good faith. It's not that it's the sole reliable source but it is the source at the bottom of the infobox, so removal of sourced data isn't necessary. There has been a lot of disruption lately so I think a more rational discussion is required, in which I invite you to participate. Please could I ask you to wait until that's happened? Specific issues right now can be discussed at the relevant article's talk page.NEDOCHAN (talk) 16:35, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

I understand and believe me I'm not one of the disruptive vandals or am I associated with them. I really just look to improve accuracy where I can on here and keep things up to date. I do believe Sherdog is reliable in most cases but there are times when they don't update a fighters stats and their information can be outdated and not as accurate as other sources such as ESPN. I would gladly contribute my opinion on a new RFC on the matter. I don't want go cause any disruption I just feel in some cases we editors on here should be open to using other sources if they are more accurate and show the fighter's most recent measurements. The only ones I've found to be completely accurate and up to date are ESPN and the official UFC site. Hunterb212 (talk) 16:43, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

I would certainly disagree with you on UFC; not only is it often way out from what they themselves show during fights but it's also very limited indeed. I do understand your point but I don't think sweeping edits are needed right now. I also can't see how it's possible to say what's accurate and what isn't. Take Nick Diaz, for instance. If you're trying to find out about Nick Diaz and you go to his Wikipedia page, should it say that he fought at 185? Someone could read that page and conclude that Diaz was a middleweight, yet he wasn't (other than one fight). Anyway could I ask in the name of collaboration and good faith that we discuss things on talk pages and work something out? Thanks.NEDOCHAN (talk) 17:01, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Well what I want to clarify honestly is what is considered accurate? The measurements from a fighters most recent weigh in, or the measurements that they have had most their career. To me it makes the most sense to update their weight after every fight because in general fighter's change and sometimes they move up or down in weight classes. My issue with Sherdog is they do not always account for this and sometimes the weight they have listed is not the most recent weigh in for that fighter but a previous outdated one. In those cases I feel it's more accurate to use a source like ESPN. If you check ESPN fighter profile pages you'll notice they update the fighter's weight after every fight. Plus they are an official partner of the UFC so I believe they should be considered a reliable source. And the UFC website from what I've seen has accurate measurements as well although I have not done enough research on it to prove it's 100% reliable I do believe ESPN is for sure. Hunterb212 (talk) 17:18, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Please stop disagreeing if you have a issue please use relevant talkpage for mma articles! That RFC padded by a disruptive individual that led to a controversial outcome and ~ PER WP:NOTSOURCE - Wikipedia "itself: cant be a reliable source. Kent Bargo (talk) 02:45, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Israel is 91 kg or 200 lbs ?

Hello, I want to clarify that although the ESPN source states 200 pounds, it’s 201 pounds on Wikipedia because of how things work here with the rounding of numbers, 200 pounds is actually 90.8 kg which when rounded it gets to 91 kg. And I would suggest you add light heavyweight in the divisions in which he competed in when he fights for the title tomorrow. Good day.Thund31292 (talk) 12:14, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

I wanted to clarify that the given source was correct and the one that replaced it wasn't. I was fixing that. If I need any more suggestions, I'll be sure to let you know. NEDOCHAN (talk) 12:20, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

Thund31292 and Nedochan, note: the weight is as per last fight and the division is all the profession mma fights the subject has fought. Use Ib and the conversion template. Only change the info tmr when the bout has begun. Enjoy the fights. Stay safe and best. Cassiopeia^(talk) 12:25, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

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Thanks

Thanks for your rewording of the plot section of 'A Clockwork Orange'. It was poorly worded and your changes are a much-needed improvement which I did not undertake. RedTeme (talk) 23:32, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

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Sherdog as MMA infobox source

Hi. Sherdog provides info for MMA records, I agree with that part. Never in these years was I told that Sherdog is to be to only source for all other information on infoboxes. Was this agreed by the community somewhere? Also, how can the UFC be a non-reliable source for fighters' stats such as height and reach?Psycho-Krillin (talk) 18:10, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi. Yes, we source height, weight and nicknames to Sherdog, as it's the most comprehensive and reliable 3rd party source and it's the source in the infobox itself. Reach has to be sourced separately, so ESPN is best.NEDOCHAN (talk) 18:48, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Psycho-Krillin, NEDOCHAN is well aware that the WP:RS/N has already ruled that ESPN is a reliable source and that Sherdog can't be the sole source. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 09:52, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Changing MMA fighters record details

What source? Do you even watch or understand MMA? Or just copy and paste? You are ruining all MMA fighters pages especially with changing the D’arce choke to Brabo choke in mma fighters pages like tony ferguson,woodley and other pages,i literally have never seen it ufc history from the commentators like joe rogan,Goldberg,Anik or play by play commentator when they called the action or Bruce Buffer who announces the official result from the referee himself or the commission mentioned Brabo choke in any of those fights,even in other promotions,you are literally changing results from body kick to kick to the body,what the hell is the difference between body kick and kick to the body? You are changing fights that happened decades ago,Tapology which is the biggest MMA encyclopedia has it as a D’arce choke on the record also the Official UFC website has it as a d’arce choke,nobody puts the name of the commission in the result of a fight,we have notes on fighters records that doesn’t have anything to do with the sherdog page like fighters missing weight,fined,testing positive for certain substances,which weight division was the fight at and many other things Tony Ferguson: all have it as a d’arce choke https://www.tapology.com/fightcenter/fighters/tony-ferguson-el-cucuy http://www.ufcstats.com/fighter-details/22a92d7f62195791

Brock lesnar: overturned to no contest https://www.tapology.com/fightcenter/fighters/brock-lesnar http://www.ufcstats.com/fighter-details/513c6f1715e547a8 Andrewnageh123 (talk) 16:19, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

I have explained on your talk page.NEDOCHAN (talk) 16:20, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Ok if that’s the case i will take sherdog off as a source from the source page and i will use tapology or the offical ufc website,it’s crazy that you treat Sherdog as a bible to the degree of changinf results from body kick to kick the body and small stuff like that,do you have any idea who are the people that run or post in that website? Andrewnageh123 (talk) 16:25, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

They are just normal reporters that no one knows about,they are literally banned from UFC from covering ufc events Andrewnageh123 (talk) 16:26, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

If you have anything constructive to add, please do so on your talk page. If you have an issue with the source used for every MMA fight record in Wikipedia, I suggest you take that up elsewhere. NEDOCHAN (talk) 16:29, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

I’m not gonna change it for every mma fighter page,just the brock lesnar page also maybe woodley and tony ferguson,do what you want with every other pages,no other editor on wikipedia has changed or touched these fights that happened years ago and sherdog was still the source but you are the one who decided to change all mma pages recently in 2021,not all mma fighters,boxers or kickboxers use the same source any way,same in ppv buys,this isn’t constructive,i will use the offical ufc page or tapology Andrewnageh123 (talk) 16:37, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

If you change sourced information and the WP project guidelines without discussion or consensus you will be reported.NEDOCHAN (talk) 16:40, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

I said i will change the source itself from brock lesnar’s page not just editing it and keep sherdog as source,how it that a problem? there is nothing in Wikipedia that mentions that you have to use fighters’ records from Sherdog and sherdog only,sherdog doesn’t even have kickboxers,boxers and Muay thai fighters’ records on their Website,Tapology is literally used as a source for PPV buys and other things on wikipedia Andrewnageh123 (talk) 16:47, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

I have quoted the relevant WP project verbatim on your talkpage. I would remind you that you have not been CIVIL and are displaying BATTLEGROUND behaviour. I am not interested in anything other than displaying info that can be verified easily. The edit you have an issue with is not even different, it just echoes the wording in the source. If you carry out what you suggest you are going to, I will reluctantly go to ANI. As a new editor who's already got in many disputes, it doesn't bode well. Please cooperate and understand. Thanks. NEDOCHAN (talk) 16:53, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

The edits are making a difference,if that’s not the case,why are you insisting to change it? you are changing fights from obvious KOs to TKO like you just did with Fedor,removing all the d’arce chokes from all fighters pages to brabo chokes,i have seen many tweets with thousands of likes on twitter and instagram questioning what is a brabo choke? We have never seen it get mentioned in any of those fights when the fighters won from the commentators,the fighters,the referee and the judges,brabo chokes are only used term when both competitors are in a Gi in jiujitsu but it’s all good Andrewnageh123 (talk) 17:05, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

The standard for Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth. The only thing that's obvious is what the source says.NEDOCHAN (talk) 17:08, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Sherdog literally has so many mistakes in the results of many fights and you are literally copying everything they put! For example: Bigfoot Silva VS Mark Hunt was overtuned to a no contest for bigfoot silva because he tested positive and they still have at as a Majority Draw on their website,why not make it a draw on wikipedia too since ‘Sherdog’ is a your source and can’t be wrong?? https://m.sherdog.com/fighter/record/Antonio-Silva-12354 That website has people as ‘fanboys’ on their website,i literally have an account on it Andrewnageh123 (talk) 21:29, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Why didn’t you respond to me? Why don’t you change the Antonio Bigfoot silva fight on his record to a draw since it’s a draw on sherdog? Andrewnageh123 (talk) 14:25, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

If you would like to discuss individual articles, start a conversation on those articles' talk pages. The official result is as listed. If you'd like to discuss sourcing, read WP:VERIFY. I would appreciate your not repeating the same unfounded points ad nauseum on my page. Thanks.NEDOCHAN (talk) 14:31, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

July 2021

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Conor McGregor. This means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

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