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'''''The Crow''''' is a [[comic book]] series created by [[James O'Barr]]. The series was originally written by O'Barr as a means of getting over the death of his girlfriend. It was later published in [[1989]], and became an underground success, with some [[film|movie]] studios seeking the rights to adapt it to film. It was adapted into a movie in [[1994]], directed by [[Alex Proyas]] and starring [[Brandon Lee]]. Lee died during the making of the film.
==To Quadell==
<s>Quadell, I really do respect your opinion. However, I must say that I don't think your cut-and-paste, standardised oppose statement serves any purpose rather than to make broad comments about a group of people. Also, I really don't take kindly to being lumped in the same category as 172, Sam Spade, and VeryVerily. That said, it is all your opinion, and your opinions are ones I have come to respect... I just hadn't expected this from you. [[User:Blankfaze|{{User:Blankfaze/sig}}]] 16:43, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)</s>
:Replied on your talk. (To those watching at home, I have removed all my disendorsements upon careful reflection.) [[User:Quadell|<nowiki></nowiki>]] &ndash; [[User:Quadell|'''Q'''uadell]] <sup>([[User_talk:Quadell|talk]]) ([[User:Quadell/Request for assistance|help]])</sup>[[<nowiki></nowiki>]] 21:51, Nov 24, 2004 (UTC)


==Plot==
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The story tells about a man named Eric who was murdered along with his fiancée, Shelly, who was also raped, by a gang of street thugs who came across the pair when they were stranded on a roadside by car trouble. One year later, he is [[resurrection|resurrected]] by a [[crow]] and seeks out vengence on his [[murderer]]s, killing them one at a time. He is able to defeat his enemies because the crow that brought him back to life has given him the power of invulnerability - nothing can kill him, and all injuries he takes are healed almost instantly, no matter how serious they are.


In the film version, Eric is given the last name Draven and is shown to be a guitarist, while Shelly is portrayed as an artist. The two are murdered the day before their [[wedding]] on [[Halloween]] in their home by a gang of criminals working for a larger crime syndicate, who ordered Shelly's death.
*I very much agree with you, Jimbo. This page is not at all conducive to the election process, and IMO serves little purpose save for serving as an arena for flame wars. That said, instead of being bold and removing oppositions on the endorsements page, I moved them all here, in an attempt to rescue organisation whilst avoiding any appearance of impropriety. [[User:Blankfaze|{{User:Blankfaze/sig}}]] 16:56, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)


==Adaptations==
== Why I hope this page will be used ==
In [[1999]], [[Image Comics]] released a new comic series of ''The Crow'', based on the original comic book. It ran for ten issues, ending in [[November]] of that year.


Also in [[1999]], James O'Barr and Editor [[Ed Kramer]] asked an array of fiction writers, poets, and artists (including [[Gene Wolfe]], [[Alan Dean Foster]], [[Charles de Lint]], [[Jack Dann]], [[Jane Yolen]], [[Henry Rollins]], and [[Iggy Pop]]) to interpret this Goth phenomenon. ''The Crow: Shattered Lives & Broken Dreams'' was released by [[Random House]] on [[Halloween]], and a year later, in a limited signed and numbered volume, by Donald M. Grant Publishing.
This page allows users to voice their concern about the candidates. Some candidates may simply by force of personality in their statements "appear" to be neutral, open minded candidates to be elected, when in actual fact they are nothing of the sort. It is important to prevent such obfuscation. In a real world election, it is never a case of each side stating how nice they are, without also warning the electorate about the dangers of choosing wrongly.


Two [[sequel]]s to the movie were made: ''[[The Crow: City of Angels]]'' ([[1996]]) and ''[[The Crow: Salvation]]'' ([[2000]]). The original film was remade as ''[[Wings of the Crow]]'' in 2000. A [[television|TV]] series, called ''[[The Crow: Stairway to Heaven]]'' ([[1998]]), was also made based on the first movie. A fourth movie, called ''[[The Crow: Wicked Prayer]]'', has been filmed, starring [[David Boreanaz]] and [[Edward Furlong]], but, as of 2004, has not yet been released.
Hitler was elected democratically.


===Soundtracks===
[[User:CheeseDreams|CheeseDreams]] 23:16, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)
The [[The Crow (album)|soundtrack for the first movie]] of ''The Crow'', which featured several popular artists of the time, was a chart-topping album. Later films' soundtracks were less successful, despite also having famous artists on them.


===Awards===
:Looks up [[Goodwin's Law]]. Draws own conclusion --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] [[User_talk:Tagishsimon|(talk)]]
The original film version of ''The Crow'' won the 1995 BMI Film Music Award from the BMI Film & TV Awards. It also won the 1995 MTV Movie Award for Best Movie Song ("Big Empty" by [[Stone Temple Pilots]]). It was nominated for the 1995 MTV Movie Awards for Best Movie and Best Male Performance (Brandon Lee).


==Brandon Lee's accidental death==
::It was certainly poor form to invoke the law explicitly. And it's "Godwin" not "Goodwin" (your misspelling redirects to the properly spelled article). However, I concede the above remarks are a well-executed attempt by both CheeseDreams and Tagishsimon to shut down the discussion.
[[Brandon Lee]], the son of [[Bruce Lee]] playing the main character in the movie adaptation, was accidentally shot during the filming. On [[March 31]], [[1993]], the scene being shot was that of character Eric's death. The character of Funboy played by [[Michael Massee]] was to fire a revolver loaded with blanks at Lee. Unfortunately, a piece of a dummy bullet used earlier in close-up shots remained in the barrel, and the blank charge propelled the fragment into Lee's abdomen breaking his spine. The tape with this scene was destroyed. There is a rumour saying that the sound of the shot which killed Brandon was used somewhere in the movie, but it's just a myth.


Following his death the original studio, [[Paramount Pictures]] bowed out, and the movie was taken up by [[Miramax]]. Lee's mother, [[Linda Lee Caldwell]], filed a civil suit, but the matter was settled out of court. However both his mother and his fiancee, [[Eliza Hutton]], were supportive of completion of the film. The death scene was redone, other scenes were rewritten, and shot with a double followed by digitally adding Lee's face on to the double. The closing credits carried the dedication "For Brandon and Eliza".
::But Jimbo has already effectively shut down this discussion with his strong statement discouraging any further postings on this page, so seeing how it's his site, I will respect that request and no longer post in this thread, as once one of the founders of a site discourages something, you're pissing into the wind to persist at it. Cheers, --[[User:David Vasquez|DV]] 00:03, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)


==See also==
You may express your disagreement with another editor in many ways. The first one being not to support him during the elections. You may also use talk page to raise an issue. When there is a specific issue where you think someone is not acting properly, you may raise the issue on the article talk page, on the pump, on the mailing lists. There are many many places. But the thing to remember is to criticize what the user is doing (the fact), not the person herself. And a list of personal attacks is not exactly what is the best to do.
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==External links==
If you wish to demonstrate that userA will be a very poor AC arbitrator, find facts to support your claim, and make an article, a mail about it. Make noise about it. Talk about it. Make it public. This is what politicians do. They point out to what other policiticians are doing in a wrong way. They do not make a public pre-voting with a list of those they like and those they do not like.
*[http://www.crowfanclub.com/ CrowFanClub.com, a fan site for ''The Crow'' and James O'Barr]
*[http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0109506/ IMDb entry for ''The Crow'']
*[http://www.allmovie.com/cg/avg.dll?p=avg&sql=A131155 All Movie Guide entry for ''The Crow'']
*[http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0115986/ IMDb entry for ''The Crow: City of Angels'']
*[http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0166425/ IMDb entry for ''The Crow: Stairway to Heaven'']
*[http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0132910/ IMDb entry for ''The Crow: Salvation'']
*[http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0197104/ IMDb entry for ''Wings of the Crow'']
*[http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0353324/ IMDb entry for ''The Crow: Wicked Prayer'']
*[http://www.snopes.com/movies/actors/brandlee.htm Urban legend on the Brandon Lee death scene]


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== comment moved from project page ==

* I completely understand Jimbo's above statement. However, someone went to a lot of effort to seperate the comments onto this page for very good reasons, and I don't think many people would agree that it's a clever thing to do to blank this page. It will only result in the same negative comments filtering back onto the Endorsements page again!. --[[User:Rebroad|Rebroad]] 13:25, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)
:I think that a commitee was set to organise these elections and that the board was asked to give its approval on the procedure. No such page existed in the procedure set by the commitee and no such page existed in the procedure approved by the board. I gave my opinion on such a page, which may be found in history, on this talk page and on my talk page. Otherwise, I basically never involve myself in local wikipedia policies.
:As for this page, I have a constructive suggestion. Since some people want such an ugly page, I suggest that this page is kept as a separate page somewhere else, but not listed amongst approved procedure pages. Would that be acceptable ?

:I can accept criticism and I definitly accept my removal being blanked. However, since the AC election procedure is somehow part of my duties, I do not think it is a very clever thing to remove my comments on the matter, and I definitly do not think it nice at all to call me a vandal.''' I know not if the editor who called me a vandal is a troll or not, but if he is a regular editor, I would appreciate greatly that he restores my comments, and apology for calling me a vandal.'''
:[[User:Anthere|SweetLittleFluffyThing]] 16:41, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)
::The consensus is to merge the Endorsements and "Disendorsements" pages into one, see [[Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration_Committee_Elections_December_2004/Candidate_statements/Endorsements#Quick_strawpoll|here]]. It's certainly not to make "Disendorsements" an unlisted page so people were unable to see other people's reservations about candidates. -[[User:Xed|Xed]] 17:26, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)

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The Crow is a comic book series created by James O'Barr. The series was originally written by O'Barr as a means of getting over the death of his girlfriend. It was later published in 1989, and became an underground success, with some movie studios seeking the rights to adapt it to film. It was adapted into a movie in 1994, directed by Alex Proyas and starring Brandon Lee. Lee died during the making of the film.

Plot

The story tells about a man named Eric who was murdered along with his fiancée, Shelly, who was also raped, by a gang of street thugs who came across the pair when they were stranded on a roadside by car trouble. One year later, he is resurrected by a crow and seeks out vengence on his murderers, killing them one at a time. He is able to defeat his enemies because the crow that brought him back to life has given him the power of invulnerability - nothing can kill him, and all injuries he takes are healed almost instantly, no matter how serious they are.

In the film version, Eric is given the last name Draven and is shown to be a guitarist, while Shelly is portrayed as an artist. The two are murdered the day before their wedding on Halloween in their home by a gang of criminals working for a larger crime syndicate, who ordered Shelly's death.

Adaptations

In 1999, Image Comics released a new comic series of The Crow, based on the original comic book. It ran for ten issues, ending in November of that year.

Also in 1999, James O'Barr and Editor Ed Kramer asked an array of fiction writers, poets, and artists (including Gene Wolfe, Alan Dean Foster, Charles de Lint, Jack Dann, Jane Yolen, Henry Rollins, and Iggy Pop) to interpret this Goth phenomenon. The Crow: Shattered Lives & Broken Dreams was released by Random House on Halloween, and a year later, in a limited signed and numbered volume, by Donald M. Grant Publishing.

Two sequels to the movie were made: The Crow: City of Angels (1996) and The Crow: Salvation (2000). The original film was remade as Wings of the Crow in 2000. A TV series, called The Crow: Stairway to Heaven (1998), was also made based on the first movie. A fourth movie, called The Crow: Wicked Prayer, has been filmed, starring David Boreanaz and Edward Furlong, but, as of 2004, has not yet been released.

Soundtracks

The soundtrack for the first movie of The Crow, which featured several popular artists of the time, was a chart-topping album. Later films' soundtracks were less successful, despite also having famous artists on them.

Awards

The original film version of The Crow won the 1995 BMI Film Music Award from the BMI Film & TV Awards. It also won the 1995 MTV Movie Award for Best Movie Song ("Big Empty" by Stone Temple Pilots). It was nominated for the 1995 MTV Movie Awards for Best Movie and Best Male Performance (Brandon Lee).

Brandon Lee's accidental death

Brandon Lee, the son of Bruce Lee playing the main character in the movie adaptation, was accidentally shot during the filming. On March 31, 1993, the scene being shot was that of character Eric's death. The character of Funboy played by Michael Massee was to fire a revolver loaded with blanks at Lee. Unfortunately, a piece of a dummy bullet used earlier in close-up shots remained in the barrel, and the blank charge propelled the fragment into Lee's abdomen breaking his spine. The tape with this scene was destroyed. There is a rumour saying that the sound of the shot which killed Brandon was used somewhere in the movie, but it's just a myth.

Following his death the original studio, Paramount Pictures bowed out, and the movie was taken up by Miramax. Lee's mother, Linda Lee Caldwell, filed a civil suit, but the matter was settled out of court. However both his mother and his fiancee, Eliza Hutton, were supportive of completion of the film. The death scene was redone, other scenes were rewritten, and shot with a double followed by digitally adding Lee's face on to the double. The closing credits carried the dedication "For Brandon and Eliza".

See also

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