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== DELETE MY ACCOUNT ==
I am Eapos and find is SICKENING that I can do everything under the sun here EXCEPT delete my account! Can someone please tell me how to delete my account! I do not want to be apart of this kind of sickening and prejudicial online community. [[User:Eapos|Princess Elisabeth Vantar]] 09:01, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
:Just stop editing. No one's forcing you to.-<font face="cursive" color="#808080">[[User talk:gadfium|gadfium]]</font> 09:09, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

== fix vandalized page? ==

Hi folks -

I tried to fix the vandalized page for the featured article (on Sly & TFS)... but it looks OK on the edit page.

Sorry if this is a FAQ, but could someone jump in and fix it & lock it temporarily?

THX -
-CC

== added question about navframe ==

== <nowiki><br clear="right"/></nowiki> and other undocumented features ==

I saw an article use <nowiki><br clear="right"/></nowiki> to force whitespace so that text stays aligned with corresponding embedded images (see [[User:Ideogram/how to avoid jammed up edit links]] for an example). I also seem to recall seeing another way of accomplishing this, but I can't find it now. I looked on Meta for documentation of this and other potentially useful tags, but I didn't find this or anything new. Is there a complete listing of all tags MediaWiki accepts? --[[User:Ideogram|Ideogram]] 01:52, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
:A list of allowed HTML is available [[m:Help:HTML in wikitext|here]], although it doesn't go into the different options for each tag. --[[User:MZMcBride|MZMcBride]] 02:18, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

:<nowiki>{{-}}</nowiki> is the other way to do it. [[User:GeorgeMoney|GeorgeMoney]] ([[User talk:GeorgeMoney|talk]]) 05:13, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

:Or {{tl|clear}}. Or anything with <code>style="clear: both"</code>. You can do lots of cool things with the <code>style</code> attribute; read the [[Cascading Style Sheets]] specifications for more information. Check also [[:Category:Formatting templates]], which has lots of useful templates. --[[User:CesarB|cesarb]] 00:41, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

:According to my personal notes about wiki editing, I learned about this use of the <code><nowiki><br clear="..."></nowiki><code> late last year, by following some link from [[Help:HTML in wikitext]]:

10/12/2006 1:01AM: I managed to control how much text floats next to
the table, by using the <nowiki><BR CLEAR=all></nowiki> tag I read about here:
http://www.htmlhelp.com/reference/html40/tables/table.html
The deprecated ALIGN attribute suggests the horizontal alignment of
the table on visual browsers. Possible values are left, right, and
center. Browsers generally present left- or right-aligned tables as
floating tables, with the content following the TABLE flowing around
it. To prevent content from flowing around the table, use <nowiki><BR
CLEAR=all></nowiki> after the end of the TABLE.

:Now that I know what to look for, I can find it with [http://www.google.com/custom?hl=en&safe=off&cof=&domains=meta.wikimedia.org&q=%22br+clear%22&btnG=Search&sitesearch=meta.wikimedia.org this search on Meta] but not with [http://www.google.com/custom?hl=en&safe=off&cof=&domains=www.mediawiki.org&q=%22br+clear%22&btnG=Search&sitesearch=www.mediawiki.org this search on mediawiki.org]. --[[User:Teratornis|Teratornis]] 03:37, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

== Orange warning bar not showing up on IP talk page? ==

Has anybody else experienced this problem? A message posted to an IP talk page may not necessarily be received by the user. Some IPs experience it as the fact that the orange bar is '''stuck''' and won't clear out. Others have experienced it as the "new messages" notification '''does not show up''' no matter how many warnings are posted or if the cache is cleared. See [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_user_warnings#Do_Warnings_show_up_on_anonymous_IPs.3F|here]] & [[User_talk:Hdt83#Warning_notification_for_anon_ip|here]] for more details. -- [[User:Hdt83|<sub><font color="336611" ><b>Hdt83</b></font></sub>]] [[User talk:Hdt83|<sup><font color="blue" face="Arial"><b>Chat</b></font></sup>]] 01:32, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
:I had the orange bar stuck problem while I was temporarily an anon way back in Jan or Feb. It took perhaps 20 mins or so (can't really remember to be honest but it was a fair while) for it to disappear after I had visited the message. Purging etc didn't help nor was it cache related. There was at least one other report at the time [[User:Nil Einne|Nil Einne]] 10:31, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
::My problem is that they do not show up for me under a IP address. -- [[User:Hdt83|<sub><font color="336611" ><b>Hdt83</b></font></sub>]] [[User talk:Hdt83|<sup><font color="blue" face="Arial"><b>Chat</b></font></sup>]]
:::This is [http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9213 Bug 9213]. [[User:Prodego|<font color="darkgreen">''Prodego''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Prodego|<font color="darkgreen">talk</font>]]</sup> 02:11, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
:Has anybody else experienced this problem? I think that this is a major problem that is affecting ''many'' IP addresses. Please reply if somebody else has a similar problem with the "New Messages" bar. -- [[User:Hdt83|<sub><font color="336611" ><b>Hdt83</b></font></sub>]] [[User talk:Hdt83|<sup><font color="blue" face="Arial"><b>Chat</b></font></sup>]] 03:58, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
::It affects '''all''' IP addresses, and has been doing so since January--<small>'''VectorPotential'''</small><sup>[[User_talk:VectorP|Talk]]</sup> 00:38, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

== monobook is not changing toolbox ==

I am trying to use Vandal's RC Patrol and when I put it into my monobook.js, my toolbox does not change. Is there something I could be doing wrong? I tried refreshing m brower's chache, and adding action=purge onto monobook.js?

== Template clash ==

Currently, {{t1|featured article}} and {{t1|sprotected2}} both put their symbol right in the upper right corner of the screen. They clash with eash other if a page has both, such as [[The Simpsons]]. Should one of these be changed? [[user:mrholybrain|mrholybrain]]<font color = "red">[[user_talk:mrholybrain|'s talk]]</font> 00:23, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
:I've brought this issue up before on the relevant talk pages. My proposed solution was to create a single template that would accept as parameters the names of other templates, and would then space the images appropriately, rather than having many different templates use absolute values. This, of course, would require quite a bit of work to implement. There are some disputes going on at some of the protection templates right now, so it'd be pretty much impossible to get a word in edgewise regarding this problem. The three most common corner templates (spoken, fa, and sprotect2) used to be at different positions until the latest protection template changes. --- [[User:RockMFR|RockMFR]] 01:06, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

== Administrators editing signatures ==

I always thought it'd be good if (somehow) administrators could edit people's signatures, so we could deal with blatant violators of [[WP:SIG]]. Perhaps something like [[Special:Changesignature/Deskana]]? Just a thought. --[[User:Deskana|Deskana]] [[User talk:Deskana|<small>(ya rly)</small>]] 01:47, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
:Tony Sidaway had had a [[Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Tony Sidaway 3|RFC]] because he edited signatures everywhere. Apparently, some agreed that in certain situations was fine, but many others rejected the idea. But, in trhuth, I don't think this is really necessary. -- [[User:ReyBrujo|ReyBrujo]] 02:22, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
:That's what user talk pages are for. [[User:EVula|EVula]] <span style="color: #999;">// [[User talk:EVula|talk]] // [[User:EVula/admin|<span style="color: #366;">&#9775;</span>]] //</span> 17:03, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
::Something needs to be done, to stop people producing signatures that are eiether unreadable, comprised of deprecated HTML, or both. [[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]] 17:28, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
:::I agree, but that "something" should start with talking to the problem editor. You don't need to be an administrator to leave a note on someone's talk page (well, if it's protected you do, but you get my point). [[User:EVula|EVula]] <span style="color: #999;">// [[User talk:EVula|talk]] // [[User:EVula/admin|<span style="color: #366;">&#9775;</span>]] //</span> 18:38, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
::::Well, I would propose we amend [[WP:SIG]] to deal with the specifics of exactly when administrators should edit people's signatures, for example, only if the user was asked politely first. I wouldn't suggest we add this feature and not impliment no set of rules dictating when it can be used. I don't think it'd be abused. If we implimented guidelines on when to use it, would you agree with the software addition? --[[User:Deskana|Deskana]] [[User talk:Deskana|<small>(ya rly)</small>]] 19:00, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::I'd agree with it, personally, but there would have to be strict policy about its use, and possibly a log. You're just changing a variable in a database somewhere, as far as I'm aware. [[User:Gracenotes|<font color="#960">Grace</font><font color="#000">notes</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Gracenotes|<font color="#960">T</font>]]</sup> § 20:44, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::Good idea; guidelines should be set down. Asking a user to change their signature before changing it without their knowledge is better than just changing someone's signature without them being given a chance to change it. [[User:Acalamari|Acalamari]] 20:55, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
::::::I think that's getting a bit [[WP:CREEP|creepy]]. Is there a specific instance where a user has been told by another editor (on their talk page) that their signature was disruptive and they ignored it, to the detriment of the community? You're talking about a largely cosmetic issue; personally, I dislike sigs that have super- and sub-scripts in them, as they distort the line spacing; is that a blockable offense? What about my own signature; is the &#9775; offensive to someone? Is someone using a &lt;font&gt; tag instead of a &lt;span&gt; tag going to bring about the end of the encyclopedia; is using full color notation (ie: #336666) as opposed to simplified color declarations (ie: #366) causing people to leave the project? Should someone be banned indefinitely from the site for using the &lt;blink&gt; tag?<br />Well, the answer to that last question is "yes", but my point still stands: we've got a solution and we're looking for a problem. [[User:EVula|EVula]] <span style="color: #999;">// [[User talk:EVula|talk]] // [[User:EVula/admin|<span style="color: #366;">&#9775;</span>]] //</span> 21:31, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::::It's a ''problem'' I've been addressing, albeit on a small scale, for a couple of years. [[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]] 21:37, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::::A few days ago I asked {{user|TomasBat}} to change his excessively long signature. He asked me if he *had* to, and I reluctantly said no. Apparently he didn't get the hint that he ''should'', so there should be a way for us admins to give him the hint. Threats of blocking make no sense, so [[special:changesignature]] is a great idea. It would've prevented the whole -Ril- mess, too. [[User talk:Picaroon9288|Picaroon]] 21:41, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
::::::::Yes, my thoughts exactly. We'd, of course, also need something that prevents people from changing their signature back too though, since otherwise our changes could be undone, if the user just refuses to accept it. Maybe just [[Special:Resetsignature/Deskana]], then, which resets the signature to it's default when the account was created? --[[User:Deskana|Deskana]] [[User talk:Deskana|<small>(ya rly)</small>]] 21:43, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::It probably won't be that useful to prevent someone from changing back their signature, since they could just paste in their (unacceptable) signature manually for each comment they make, if they really want to. [[User:Tra|Tra]] [[User:Tra/MyComments|(Talk)]] 21:59, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
::::::::::True, and putting in a guideline that says that users shouldn't paste it back in could create instruction-creep; an issue we want to avoid. [[User:Acalamari|Acalamari]] 22:26, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

:If done, I'd absolutely want some log of who changed what, and when, along with some strict guidelines about when sigs can or can't be edited. By the end of the day, it may be easier to implement some technical restrictions (on images, or perhaps length, for example). If the goal is to avoid useless cluttered code when editing talk pages, then a character limit length would seem to address a large portion of the problem, no? &ndash; <span style="font-family: Garamond">[[User:Luna Santin|<font color="#1E90FF">'''Luna Santin'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Luna Santin|talk]])</span> 22:31, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
::Restrictions would not really work, anyone can just paste a long signature if necessary (after all, I type the four tildes myself everytime I sign). Maybe we should start a [[WP:AIV/SIG]] to report extremely long signatures ;-) -- [[User:ReyBrujo|ReyBrujo]] 22:34, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
:::Another problem with restricting long signatures is that if that kind of change was made to the software, the existing long signatures would need to be automatically removed through an SQL query which could use up a lot of memory, and additionally, what would they be changed to? If they were just truncated, that could make the html invalid, whilst simply resetting them to the default value could upset a lot of users. As for the 'signature change log', it would only really make sense if users' changes to their own signature are logged as well. [[User:Tra|Tra]] [[User:Tra/MyComments|(Talk)]] 22:47, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
::::Such a tool would very likely be problematic especially if adminstrators sharing the POV of someone like [[User:Tony Sidaway]] were to have access to it. Sidaway changes ''all signatures'' indiscriminately and given the number of times he is called to task about that on his talk page, ''doing that is disruptive''. Who's going to be making the judgement call? I don't appreciate my signature being altered and I especially wouldn't appreciate the altering of signatures enmasse by some power tripping adminstrator with a tool like this. There is a long tradition on the project for upstanding and highly contributory users to utilize distinctive signatures to better identify themselves and the commentary they make, this thinking goes counter to that tradition and is likely to alienate these valuable folks. {{User:Netscott/s1.js}} 00:55, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::I would just observe anyone alienated by changes to their signature wouldn't seem to have all that deep of a commitment to the project. Also, a limit on the length of signatures can easily be enforced by simply not allowing anyone to change their signature to one longer than the prescribed limit. No need to change all the existing long signatures, eventually they will be weeded out. —[[User talk:Doug Bell|Doug&nbsp;Bell]] 01:21, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
::::::Is [[User:Netscott#My_Wikipedia_Contributions|this]] not a deep enough commiment to the project Doug Bell? I agree that there are signatures that are too long and or too garish (literally I've seen signatures that due to their high contrast nature have <span style="background: green; color: red;">interrupted</span> a given talk discussion) but as others have said here, the best way to address this is through discussion with the concerned user. {{User:Netscott/s1.js}} 01:38, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::::I wasn't directing the comment at you, but rather at anyone that would become alienated (i.e. significantly disturbed as to impact their participation in the project) by a change to their signature. I'm not assuming that characterization applies to you. —[[User talk:Doug Bell|Doug&nbsp;Bell]] 06:56, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::::: It does come off as incredibly disrespectful. Remember we're volunteers here - if we feel a lack of respect, or believe our contributions are not welcome, we can quit at any time. [[User:Titoxd|Tito<span style="color:#008000;">xd</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Titoxd|?!?]] - [[WP:FAC|cool stuff]])</sup> 03:40, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
::::::Not possible. I can set my signature to <nowiki>{{subst:User:ReyBrujo/sg}}</nowiki>, and have all the HTML code I want at that subpage. -- [[User:ReyBrujo|ReyBrujo]] 01:25, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::I've got two thaughts on this. 1) this is to much [[WP:CREEP|creep]]. If someone's signature is disruptive, blocking is available. 2)Enabling the other extreme (e.g. [[Special:Prefences/Targetuser]]) would allow for this, as well as assiting users with other preerences related challanges. This would need to be resticted to sysops and the email settings should probally be left alone. — [[User:Xaosflux|<b><font color="#FF9933" face="monotype">xaosflux</font></b>]] <sup>[[User_talk:Xaosflux|<font color="#00FF00">Talk</font>]]</sup> 04:04, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Questions:
# How would this be an improvement to the encyclopedia?
# How is this not just another attempt at an administrative power grab over editors?
# With administrators now busying themselves making sure everyone's sig is perfect, how will they have time to create and edit articles?
# Does Deskana understand the ill-will this will engender in those editors who have their well crafted sigs edited, or is he simply that callous that he doesn't care?
<span style="font-family:Papyrus; letter-spacing:-1.2px;font-weight:normal; background:#F0F8FF;white-space:nowrap;cursor:help;">&#8212;[[User:Malber|M]] ([[User talk:Malber|talk]] <small>•</small> [[Special:Contributions/Malber|contribs]]) 20:43, 4 April 2007 (UTC)</span>

:To address #3: a ''lot'' of administrators don't contribute to article creation, and focus more on the "nuts and bolts" of running Wikipedia. I don't see this as a bad thing (I, for one, have ''never'' created an article from scratch). At most, I think it would be administrators watching a noticeboard (maybe just using [[WP:AN]] so it wouldn't be a new board) and addressing issues as they come up; to suggest that policing sigs would somehow significantly impact an admin's workload is a bit silly, in my opinion. [[User:EVula|EVula]] <span style="color: #999;">// [[User talk:EVula|talk]] // [[User:EVula/admin|<span style="color: #366;">&#9775;</span>]] //</span> 23:34, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

=== Suggested solutions ===

I'm sure that these have been suggested previously, but how about just:

*disallow images in signatures (this should be a no-brainer especially with the recent clarification from the board). Also consider that we ''still'' have people putting fair use images in userboxes, having to go and clean up such signatures, would be needless work that just shouldn't be necessary. One can be creative and unique without an image.

* disallow transclusion of pages in a signature (Honestly, I thought that that was already disallowed...)

* set a shorter length. Yes, a user "could" then paste the signature, and there is no reason to set an actual "rule" against it (I '''''really''''' don't want to find that we have editors sitting there counting characters in a signature...), however, just removing the "convenience" of the "extreme" lengths should be enough to cut down on thoughtlessly long signatures. I've seen quite a bit of discussion about how to concatenate/shorten lengths, and I think that this would just add an extra "suggestion", without having "instruction creep" of requirements.

Hope this helps. Interested in further discussion, obviously : ) - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 00:20, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

== Moving a category ==

Why can't categories be moved?? Surely the developers should make them movable?? I can understand images not being like this, but categories... --[[User:Koyne Farllis|Koyne Farllis]] 15:59, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
:Moving a category would involve changing all the inclusions to it on all pages that it contains. Such moves are done by bot (see [[WP:CFD/W]]). --[[User:ais523|ais523]] 16:39, 1 April 2007 ([[User:ais523|U]][[User talk:ais523|T]][[Special:Contributions/Ais523|C]])
::I still don't understand. Why couldn't there be redirect similar to an article being moved? --[[User:MZMcBride|MZMcBride]] 19:41, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

== tags using "header=1" are screwing up the edit section links ==

See [[User talk:Cthorntonjr]] for an example of what I mean. I used <nowiki>{{subst:nonsensepages|Bud Brothers|header=1}}</nowiki> there, and it leaves behind a section header like this: <nowiki>{{#if:1|=={{{header-text|[[:Bud Brothers]]}}}==}}</nowiki> ... when clicking on the section edit, it won't take you to that section. I suspect Mediawiki doesn't parse the #if statement in a section header properly. This is a problem of all speedy notification tags that I've encountered so far that use the "header=1" parameter, and possibly others besides CSD notifications. <span style="white-space: nowrap">— [[User:Coelacan|coe<span style="font-variant: small-caps">l</span>]][[User talk:Coelacan|acan]]</span> — 03:29, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

I believe this could be fixed by changing the innards of the templates to have a couple of <code><nowiki><includeonly>subst:</includeonly></nowiki></code> tags. I think this would work:

<pre><nowiki>
{{<includeonly>subst:</includeonly>#if:{{{header|}}}
| =={{<includeonly>subst:</includeonly>#if:{{{header-text|}}}|{{{header-text}}}|[[:{{{1}}}]]}}==
}}
}}
{{WikiProject Israel|class=Start|importance=low}}
</nowiki></pre>
== Reads like a resume ==

I think that this article requires cleanup and should focus on encyclopedic values.<small>—comment [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|added]] by </small>[[User:John Hyams|John Hyams]]<sup>([[User_talk:John Hyams|'''t''']]/[[Special:Contributions/John Hyams|'''c''']])</sup>
It's pretty ugly, but the result should be that only the wikitext for the header ends up in the page, without the parser functions. [[User talk:Mike Dillon|Mike Dillon]] 03:37, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

:I see that the templates had these, but ais523 removed them.[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3ANonsensepages&diff=116235885&oldid=112665933] I'll ask that user to take a second look. <span style="white-space: nowrap">— [[User:Coelacan|coe<span style="font-variant: small-caps">l</span>]][[User talk:Coelacan|acan]]</span> — 04:53, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
::The problem is that with the old coding, the header appeared even if header=1 wasn't used. I'm not sure that I know a solution to this; ParserFunction/subst mixtures have always acted unusually in my experience. If you can make the change and it makes it possible to use the template without the header, please feel free to do so. (I was unaware that the new coding had a problem.) --[[User:ais523|ais523]] 13:47, 2 April 2007 ([[User:ais523|U]][[User talk:ais523|T]][[Special:Contributions/Ais523|C]])

== Image resize quality ==

I uploaded an image (click on the thumbnail): [[Image:Point_Bonita_Light.jpg|thumb]]
What I notice is that the resized version (800x530) shown on the image's page looks very unsharp. (If you look at the original size, you will see that it is quite sharp.) As a test, I uploaded the same image to my Flickr account. The resizing algorithm there seems to do a much better job. See:
[http://farm1.static.flickr.com/176/443197144_59edd4be29_b.jpg]
or
[http://farm1.static.flickr.com/176/443197144_59edd4be29.jpg]
(the wikipedia size is in between these two sizes).

Does anybody else notice this effect? It doesn't look like a JPEG artifact, but maybe a poor resizing algorithm. [[User:Joshmt|Josh Thompson]] 06:05, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
:Looks like an [[Unsharp masking|unsharp mask]] was used on the Flickr versions. I downloaded your [[Nikon D50]] original, resampled this to 1024*678 and took the arithmetic difference with the Flickr version. The outline of the edges are clearly visible. Especially on a large zoom of the lighthouse antenna/[[lightning rod]], So, can’t really blame the resizing algorithm, unless you expect an image filter to go standard along with it.. --[[User:Van helsing|Van helsing]] 09:05, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

::Fair enough. It doesn't surprise me that Flickr does some processing. Thanks for your efforts. [[User:Joshmt|Josh Thompson]] 10:58, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

:Yes, Flickr does some sharpening on resized images; we don't currently do that but have considered adding it, as a slight sharpening generally increases perceived quality. --[[User:Brion VIBBER|brion]] 18:49, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

::Any pointers on how one might insert an extra sharpening step into the rendering performed on a private Mediawiki site? [[User:Dragons flight|Dragons flight]] 02:35, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

:I would find the code that calls the "convert" program, and change it's command line. It is all [[imagemagick]] based. <small>[[User:HighInBC|<sup>High</sup><sub>InBC</sub>]]<sup>(Need help? [[User_talk:HighInBC|Ask me]])</sup></small> 02:37, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

== How to delete wikipedia accounts. ==

::hay i just want to know how to delete an account on wikipedia?
thx for your time.

:By the [[GFDL]], we can't delete accounts. You can request deletion of your userpage ({{[[Template:db-author|db-author]]}}) and stop editing. Might also want to see [[m:Right to vanish]]. <span style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 8pt;">[[User:x42bn6|<span style="font-weight: bold;">x42bn6</span>]] [[User_talk:x42bn6|Talk]]</span> 15:26, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

==Issue with [[Template:Protected title]]==

For some reason, the {{tl|protected title}} template (used at [[Wikipedia:Protected titles]]) is now applying cascading protection to existent templates listed in this manner, despite the fact that they clearly aren't transcluded (but MediaWiki reports that they are): [[Wikipedia:Protected titles/Today's featured article A]]<br />
I'm baffled as to why this is occurring, and I was unable to duplicate this result by manually adding an ordinary link to a cascade-protected page (which is all that should be happening and all that appears to be happening). Can anyone figure out what's going on? —[[User:David Levy|David Levy]] 14:13, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

:See {{h:mlm|ParserFunctions|Code_execution}}.--[[User:Patrick|Patrick]] 15:01, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

::I'm still a bit confused. Why would this only affect templates (and not other pages)? —[[User:David Levy|David Levy]] 15:26, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

:::It is about side-effects of wikitext processing, other than rendering the page; it also affects the link table.--[[User:Patrick|Patrick]] 16:19, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

::::What I don't understand is why this doesn't cause existent pages other than templates (articles, etc) to be protected. —[[User:David Levy|David Levy]] 16:27, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

:::::Do you have an example? It seems they are protected too.--[[User:Patrick|Patrick]] 16:58, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

::::::Oh, wow. You're right. When I tested this earlier, the article that I selected at random ([[Cat]]) happened to be semi-protected, and this condition apparently prevents the cascading protection message from appearing when a sysop attempts to edit the page.
::::::I'm nearly certain that this bug manifestation didn't exist when I created [[WP:PT]] (and was introduced in a subsequent MediaWiki revision). It isn't a big deal, but it should be addressed (if possible). —[[User:David Levy|David Levy]] 17:19, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

::I'm not quite clear on what needs to be done to change this behavior. —[[User:David Levy|David Levy]] 15:26, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

:::From the linked text:
:::put the whole parser function call inside the braces or brackets, e.g. <nowiki>{{ {{</nowiki>#ifexpr:..|a|b}} | ''parameters'' }} instead of <nowiki>{{ #ifexpr:.. | {{a|</nowiki>''parameters''}} | <nowiki>{{</nowiki>b |''parameters''}} }}. If there is no else-part a dummy template such as {{tim|x0}} can be used:<nowiki>{{ {{</nowiki>#ifexpr:..|a|x0}} | ''parameters'' }} instead of <nowiki>{{ #ifexpr:.. | {{</nowiki>a|''parameters''}} }}. If the parameters of a and b are not the same the parser function can be split up into one for the then-part, and one with inverse condition with the else-part becoming then-part (or the same condition and only an else-part): <nowiki>{{ {{</nowiki>#ifexpr:..|a|x0}} | ''parameters of a'' }}<nowiki>{{ {{</nowiki>#ifexpr:..|x0|b}} | ''parameters of b'' }} instead of <nowiki>{{ #ifexpr:.. | {{a|</nowiki>''parameters of a''}} | <nowiki>{{</nowiki>b |''parameters of b''}} }}.
:::I think that can be applied here too.--[[User:Patrick|Patrick]] 16:19, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

::::Yes, I read that suggestion, but I'm not quite clear on how to implement it. Any assistance that you can provide would be much appreciated. —[[User:David Levy|David Levy]] 16:27, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

::Has a bug report been filed? —[[User:David Levy|David Levy]] 15:26, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

:::Not that I know of. It may not be so easy to change, it is how parser functions are processed: by first processing the parameters (including noting that a page is transcluded, for, among other things, the purpose of cascading protection), and then applying the parser function itself (such as discarding the included template if the condition is false).--[[User:Patrick|Patrick]] 16:18, 3 April 2007 (UTC)


For the record, Patrick devised a clever coding solution. Thanks again, Patrick! —[[User:David Levy|David Levy]] 18:57, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

== HTML color ==

What is the [[HTML color code]] of the blue links? —[[user:Kncyu38|KNcyu38]] ([[user talk:Kncyu38|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kncyu38|contribs]]) 14:58, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

:Looks like rgb(0,43,184) to me. In hexadecimal, that would be #002BB8. <span style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 8pt;">[[User:x42bn6|<span style="font-weight: bold;">x42bn6</span>]] [[User_talk:x42bn6|Talk]]</span> 15:24, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

::Thanks! —[[user:Kncyu38|KNcyu38]] ([[user talk:Kncyu38|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kncyu38|contribs]]) 15:42, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

== IT Jargon in disambig page ==

Can a few editors familiar with IT jargon check out the third item listed in [[Jamuna]], and improve or delete it if inappropriate. It not only has no links, the last part of it is really making no sense to me whatever other than as a signature. "PM" should be Preventive maintenance, if I'm parsing it right at all, but it's all buzz words as written. // <b>[[User:Fabartus|Fra]]</b><font color="green">[[User talk:Fabartus|nkB]]</font> 15:30, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

:Appears to be nonsense, added by a user with a past history of vandalism - couldn't find anything informative on Google. I've deleted the information and put the template in the correct place. <span style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 8pt;">[[User:x42bn6|<span style="font-weight: bold;">x42bn6</span>]] [[User_talk:x42bn6|Talk]]</span> 15:52, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

== Another Watchlist Problem. ==

I don't seem to be able to access my watchlist at all. Every time I go into it, it comes up with an error. Does anyone else have this problem? [[User:Acalamari|Acalamari]] 18:21, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
: Yes, see same problem. Also see job queue at 1.4 million and increasing. [[User_talk:Gimmetrow|''Gimmetrow'']] 18:28, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
:: Interesting; the job queue length has caused a lot of watchlist problems recently. [[User:Acalamari|Acalamari]] 18:30, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
:::I was having problems with it along the lines of what has been said, but now it appears to be working again. Strange. --'''[[User:LuigiManiac|<span style="color:#32CD32">Luigi</span>]][[User Talk:LuigiManiac|<span style="color:green">Maniac</span>]]''' 18:43, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
::::Indeed, it's working again. It seems the watchlist problems last for up to half an hour at most (by my experience) to as short as a few minutes. [[User:Acalamari|Acalamari]] 18:47, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Again. 2nd day running? [[User:Simply south|Simply south]] 22:17, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
:And now that it has come up it is 20 minutes behind present amazingly. [[User:Simply south|Simply south]] 22:38, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
::Then not loading again. [[User:Simply south|Simply south]] 23:00, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
:::It has been working for me again, except now it is suddenly over 5 hours behind. What is wrong this time with it? Anyone else having this sudden problem? --'''[[User:LuigiManiac|<span style="color:#32CD32">Luigi</span>]][[User Talk:LuigiManiac|<span style="color:green">Maniac</span>]]''' 04:30, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
:::: Yes, see [[Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28technical%29#The_Watchlist_Again.]] [[User_talk:Gimmetrow|''Gimmetrow'']] 04:48, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

== How to add article to category by a different name ==

Is there a way to add an article to a category but have it under a different name (on the category page) then the name of the article?
--[[User:24.172.195.239|24.172.195.239]] 19:15, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

:If you mean an alias, I don't think so. If you meant to have it indexed differently, yes. <code><nowiki>[[category:some category | last, first]]</nowiki></code> places the entry as one would expect for a person named ''first last''. —[[user:EncMstr|EncMstr]] 19:21, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

So I set it on the article page? Is there any other fuctions I can change when appying the category tag?--[[User:24.172.194.34|24.172.194.34]] 19:51, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

:Yes, it goes on the article page. If you edit some category pages, you'll see that most are empty, except to make the category a subcategory. The category is "filled" by references from articles—kinda backward from normal. If you can follow that, you'll have got it.
:Another category feature is the <code><nowiki>{{DEFAULTSORT:...}}</nowiki></code> magic word (even though it looks like a template call, it is processed directly by the wiki code). It makes the parameter the default index of all the categories, so each doesn't have to redundantly list the altered key value. See the wikitext at the bottom of [[Steve Fossett]] for a good example. —[[user:EncMstr|EncMstr]] 20:16, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
:It is also possible to create a redirect to the article from the alternate name and place the category on the redirect. But that really should only be done where having the article under the actual title might cause confusion if it were in the category (as, for example, can sometimes happen when merging stubs into a main article). [[User:Bkonrad|older]] ≠ [[User talk:Bkonrad|wiser]] 21:06, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

==Lower case first letters==
Congratulations on getting around the capital first letter issue. It looks a bit jury-rigged (it displays the upper case title, i.e. Will.i.am, for a moment before switching, and the URL is still Will.i.am), but it works! :D [[User:Cigarette|Cigarette]] 22:08, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
:It's done with javascript, so that only happens after the page loads. [[User:Gracenotes|<font color="#960">Grace</font><font color="#000">notes</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Gracenotes|<font color="#960">T</font>]]</sup> § 04:37, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

== Wanted categories problem ==

There are quite a few categories listed at [[Special:Wanted categories]] that have been empty for months, but still show up even after the page is updated (e.g. Pages on votes for deletion, Historical stubs). Is there a way to force these off the list? --- [[User:RockMFR|RockMFR]] 00:57, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

== Job queue ==

The [[m:help:job queue|job queue]] is over 2 million. Isn't that sort of high? -- <i>[[User:ProveIt|Prove It]] <sup>[[User talk:ProveIt|(talk)]]</sup></i> 03:46, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

:Not really, and it's likely the result of an edit in a high-use template (maybe a cite template?). [[User:Jayden54|Jayden54]] 09:26, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

::(cringes) - Well, at least part of it could be as a result of cleaning up user categories. I've been going through the userboxes and removing parent cats (essentially duplicative cats) from the programming/OS userboxes. ''Many'' of them did not use includeonly/noinclude, and often a userbox would add the transcluder to several cats. For example, if you have bas-3 on your userpage, you would have been added to bas-3, bas, and Wikipedian programmers. I've been removing the latter two as parent cats. I also removed the OS category from the userbox per [[WP:UCFD]]. (It's ''still'' not depopulated, after a few days...) Even so, I don't think that those actions would equal even close to a 20 thousand, much less, 2 million? - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 10:21, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

:::Oh, and [[:Category:Teenage Wikipedians]] has been merged, and it's also a fairly good sized cat... Anyone else out there been fixing/altering templates? : ) - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 10:24, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

:::I edited some templates yesterday, including {{tl|birth date and age}}. Any idea how long the queue would take to clear if there were no new additions at all? There is a request to edit {{tl|fact}}, which would add quite a lot. [[User:CMummert|CMummert]] · <small>[[User talk:CMummert|talk]]</small> 13:23, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

::::I wouldn't worry about it, and go right ahead and perform the changes that are requested. The developers will step in if there are any problems, see [[Wikipedia:Don't worry about performance]]. [[User:Jayden54|Jayden54]] 15:24, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

:::::Right, it shouldn't hurt performance, but it might frustrate people who are changing categories on templates to wait a week before the job queue gets to the articles that use the template. There is a related [[m:Help_talk:Job_queue#A_record?|discussion at meta]] that seems to suggest 2 million is higher than normal. [[User:CMummert|CMummert]] · <small>[[User talk:CMummert|talk]]</small> 16:16, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
As I understand it, the reason for the job-queue remaining so full is that the server which would normally be servicing it is busy performing some rather massive updates to the database schema which are keeping it busy.
This should be finished within a few days when normal service will be resumed.
HTH HAND —[[User:Phil Boswell|Phil]] | [[User talk:Phil Boswell|Talk]] 09:19, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

:Thanks. I had the distinct impression that it wasn't going down. Is there a noticeboard somewhere with information like this? [[User:CMummert|CMummert]] · <small>[[User talk:CMummert|talk]]</small> 10:48, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

::There's the [https://wikitech.leuksman.com/view/Server_admin_log Server admin log], but the information there is very technical (it's directed at the other developers); there's also the channel topic for [irc://irc.freenode.net/wikimedia-tech #wikimedia-tech]. However, most of the time, the information comes from lurking on #wikimedia-tech. --[[User:CesarB|cesarb]] 22:36, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

== Combined-category filtering ==

It occurred to me recently that it would be useful to have a tool, for non-technical users, whereby articles in two specified categories could be listed; for instance "all articles in category:Birmingham also in Category:articles needing cleanup" or "all articles in category: living people also in category:people from Birmingham". I have no idea how this might be achieved, not the skills to implement it,. Anyone interested? [[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]] 07:09, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
:Try [[m:User:Duesentrieb/CatScan]]. It may have a problem with [[:Category:Living people]] because it's so large; I tried an intersect of [[:Category:People from Birmingham, England]] with that and it died on me after a few minutes.-<font face="cursive" color="#808080">[[User talk:gadfium|gadfium]]</font> 08:40, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
::[[WP:AWB]] has a list comparer function, where you can load the articles in two categories (or from what links here and others) and find which are in both, one or the other. It will take ages to load large categories though. You could try scanning the [[m:data dumps]] offline for large categories, although the data might be slightly out of date. [[User:Mattbr|matt]][[User talk:Mattbr|br]] 10:55, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

== More on sortable tables ==

Ongoing discussion at [[Template talk:Sortablename]]. --[[User Talk:Random832|Random832]] 13:10, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

== Search result lisitings... ==

I notice that often when I search for something, several pages of results come back. However when I click on one of the page numbers or the "Next »" link, often it takes me to a generic "no results" page. For instance try searching for "fromthe". Currently four pages are returned but only the first seems to display. What's going on here? Is this a Wikipedia problem or a Mediawiki problem? No problem? [[User:Jason Quinn|Jason Quinn]] 17:16, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

:I think what's happening is you're searching in only one or a few namespaces, but it still gives the total number of results in all namespaces. Checking all the checkboxes beside the namespaces gives all 4 pages of results. –[[User talk:Pomte|Pomte]] 18:01, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

::Thank you, Pomte. It appears you are correct that it is a namespace thing. The question now becomes is this behavior that is best? I think it is certainly confusing the way it is. [[User:Jason Quinn|Jason Quinn]] 21:31, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

== Error on selecting 'Save page' (Vista) ==

My new Vista-based PC is set up with multiple accounts &ndash; one for each of the family, plus one admin account. On accounts where Parental Controls have been enabled, I am seeing a problem when trying to save an edited page.

When 'Save page' is pressed, the updated page is not displayed. Instead, I get an essentially blank page saying the following:

Internet Explorer cannot display the webpage <BR><BR>
Most likely causes:
- You are not connected to the Internet.
- The website is encountering problems.
- There might be a typing error in the address.

The URL in the address bar is unchanged (it still ends 'submit'), but clicking 'Refresh' clears the error page and reloads the article page in edit mode. ''(This confused me for a while, until I realised that my previous edits HAD been accepted, and I had re-opened the saved page for a further edit.)''

The problem is NOT caused by a page filter, as my account does not have any URL restrictions enabled. (My account has a time restriction set, to disable access at midnight in a desperate attempt to stop me editing WP late into the night :o( ). Disabling all restrictions and restarting the account cleared the problem, but re-enabling the time limit restriction brought the error back again. I never see the problem in my admin account, but see it 100% in restricted accounts.

The problem applies to both WP and 'Commons'.

* So, any ideas?
* Is it purely a Vista problem?
* Were the WP tecchies aware of it?
* Is there anything I can do to avoid the problem, short of disabling the restrictions?

[[User:EdJogg|EdJogg]] 19:45, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
:The problem hasn't been reported to the bug tracker yet, as far as I can see; you can file a bug report at [[mediazilla:]]. I can't think of any solutions to this (maybe someone else at VPT can?). I suspect it's a Vista problem, or it would probably have been noticed before now. --[[User:ais523|ais523]] 11:59, 5 April 2007 ([[User:ais523|U]][[User talk:ais523|T]][[Special:Contributions/Ais523|C]])

== Toyota Prius page layout is messed up on Firefox ==

The layout of the Toyota Prius page is bad on Firefox 2.0.0.3 on Windows XP.
Looks okay on IE. The left column with the menus is missing and
the menus are scattered over the left side of the text. [[User:Dougher|Dougher]] 20:44, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
:I think I fixed it by closing the table used in the article. Is it fixed now? --[[User:MZMcBride|MZMcBride]] 22:49, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

== GNU/Linux Naming Controversy FAR ==

Can somebody figure out how to list [[GNU/Linux naming controversy]] for FAR and move my justification from the talk page? I have no idea what I'm doing. [[User:Qwertydvorak|Qwertydvorak]] 22:43, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
:See [[WP:FAR]]. If you have any questions, let me know below. Cheers. --[[User:MZMcBride|MZMcBride]] 22:53, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
:: Yes, I tried to follow those guidelines, adding the FAR tag apparently doesn't work because of the slash in the page name. [[User:Qwertydvorak|Qwertydvorak]] 20:01, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
::: Never mind, I did not know I had to create the page. [[User:Qwertydvorak|Qwertydvorak]] 20:06, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

== Tab Priority/Position ==

I understand why focus isn't given to the search box on the [[Main Page]] (yes, I read [[Wikipedia:Main_Page_FAQ#Why doesn't the cursor appear in the search box, like with Google?|the FAQ]])....but how about putting focus on the item (or some other "placeholder") just prior to the Search box. Or perhaps giving the Search box a higher tab priority/index. Currently, one must Tab through nearly every hyperlink on the page before the cursor finally gets around to the Search box.

By adjusting the tab priority of the search box and/or the initial tab position of the cursor, one could still use the arrow keys to function as expected, and would only require a single 'TAB' to move it to the search box. (Incidentally, if the focus were in the Search box, the same action would allow the arrow keys to work...just "Tab" out of it.) It just doesn't make sense that the page requires a user to move his/her hand back to the mouse, click the search box, then move his/her hand back to the keyboard to perform a search. This could all be simplified with proper tab priority/position when the page loads. ++Arx Fortis 07:00, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

:The [[accesskey]] attribute is set on that element, to "f" (see also [[WP:KB]]). You can also put something in your personal [{{fullurl:Special:Mypage/monobook.js|action=edit}} user js] to set focus right on it, like:
addOnloadHook(function() {document.getElementById('searchInput').focus(); return false;});
:Or you could set the tabindex to 1 (note that diff pages, edit pages and other such pages already have an element with a tabindex="1" attribute, so you'd either have to except them or accept them):
addOnloadHook(function() {document.getElementById('searchInput').tabIndex='1'; return false;;});
:--[[User:Splarka|Splarka]] ([[User_talk:Splarka|rant]]) 07:53, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

::The Search access key in Firefox requires CTRL-ALT-F. That's an awkward combo for a fairly routine task. I doubt most users know they have a user.js....much less how to edit one. I still haven't heard a good reason why the tab index can't be changed to make search #2. ++[[User:Arx Fortis|Arx Fortis]] 13:42, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

== category weirdness ==

Can someone help me figure out why [[:Category:Amz]] isn't showing up in [[:Category:Candidates for speedy deletion]]? <span style="white-space: nowrap">— [[User:Coelacan|coe<span style="font-variant: small-caps">l</span>]][[User talk:Coelacan|acan]]</span> — 01:49, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
:It probably has something to do with the [[m:job queue|job queue]] being at [[Special:Statistics|2,339,644]]. --[[User:MZMcBride|MZMcBride]] 01:57, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
::46 hours after it was tagged for speedy? I've seen other categories get tagged and untagged in the meantime, which did show up in the parent category. Doesn't make sense... <span style="white-space: nowrap">— [[User:Coelacan|coe<span style="font-variant: small-caps">l</span>]][[User talk:Coelacan|acan]]</span> — 02:04, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

==Edit tabs==
How do you remove the [edit] links that show up on the right from within a page? [[User talk:Think outside the box|Think outside the box]] 09:41, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
:[[Special:Preferences|my preferences]] -> Editing -> Enable section editing via [edit] links (first checkbox). –[[User talk:Pomte|Pomte]] 10:05, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
::For a specific article add: <nowiki>__NOEDITSECTION__</nowiki> (see: [[Help:Magic words]]). --[[User:Van helsing|Van helsing]] 10:10, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
:::Thank you! [[User talk:Think outside the box|Think outside the box]] 10:33, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

== [[Template:Link GA]] not working ==

It seems that {{tl|Link GA}} fails to work properly. For example, after I added <nowiki>{{Link GA|zh}}</nowiki> to [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Flag_of_Hong_Kong&diff=prev&oldid=120448361 Flag of Hong Kong], the GA icon doesn't show up in the part of the interwiki links. However, {{tl|Link FA}} is fine at the moment. -- [[User:Kevinhksouth|Kevinhksouth]] 10:08, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

:Did it ever work? The reason that {{tl|Link FA}} works is because of supporting JavaScript in the <code>linkFA</code> function in [[MediaWiki:Common.js]] and a CSS definition for <code>li.FA</code> in [[MediaWiki:Monobook.css]]. [[User talk:Mike Dillon|Mike Dillon]] 05:03, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

It looks like there is a bullet image for this purpose already at [[:Image:Monobook-bullet-plus.png]]. I've also created [[:Image:Monobook-bullet-ga.png]], which is a downsized version of [[:Image:Symbol support vote.svg]]. The resulting lists would look something like this:

;[[:Image:Monobook-bullet-plus.png]]
<div style="background-color: white; border: 1px solid #aaa; padding: 0.25em; margin-bottom: 1.2em">
<div><span style="vertical-align: top">[[Image:Monobook-bullet.png]]</span> [[:de:Deutsch|Deutsch]]</div>
<div><span style="vertical-align: top">[[Image:Monobook-bullet-star.png]]</span> [[:fr:Français|Français]]</div>
<div><span style="vertical-align: top">[[Image:Monobook-bullet-plus.png]]</span> [[:it:Italiano|Italiano]]</div>
</div>

;[[:Image:Monobook-bullet-ga.png]]
<div style="background-color: white; border: 1px solid #aaa; padding: 0.25em">
<div><span style="vertical-align: top">[[Image:Monobook-bullet.png]]</span> [[:de:Deutsch|Deutsch]]</div>
<div><span style="vertical-align: top">[[Image:Monobook-bullet-star.png]]</span> [[:fr:Français|Français]]</div>
<div><span style="vertical-align: top">[[Image:Monobook-bullet-ga.png]]</span> [[:it:Italiano|Italiano]]</div>
</div>

I had to fake this since the HTML filter for Wikipedia strips out the "style" element on <code><nowiki><li></nowiki></code> tags. If there is support for this change, [[User:Ruud Koot]] would be the one to ask about getting it done since he maintains the {{tl|Link FA}} support. [[User talk:Mike Dillon|Mike Dillon]] 05:35, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

: I believe this has already been rejected in the past (at least we chose not to mark our own GAs with an icon at the top, why would we then try to draw attention to GAs in other languages?) —''[[User:Ruud Koot|Ruud]]'' 09:52, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

::But the fact is that this template is used in several language versions already. If English Wikipedia decides not to use it, please delete this template, and also lock this title, so that noone else, who doesn't know such policy, would be able to create it again. -- [[User:Kevinhksouth|Kevinhksouth]] 06:43, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

== Hit Counter? ==

Is there any way to add a hit counter to a Wikipedia user Page?

Thanx,

[[User:Kevinwong913|Kevinwong913]] 16:00, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
:[[Wikipedia:Technical FAQ#Can I add a page hit counter to a Wikipedia page?]] [[User:John Reaves|John Reaves]] [[User talk:John Reaves|(talk)]] 16:27, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanx.

[[User:Kevinwong913|Kevinwong913]] 01:25, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

== The Watchlist Again. ==

I assume everyone's watchlists are playing up again? I believe this is the third day in row we've had this? [[User:Acalamari|Acalamari]] 23:07, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

:Nah, I hasn't been 3 days. This is the first day my watchlist is having problems. I can navigate around WP just fine...--'''''[[User:Ed|<font color="blue" face="comic sans ms">Ed</font>]]''''' <sup>[[User talk:Ed|<font color="maroon" face="comic sans ms">¿Cómo estás?</font>]]</sup> 23:09, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
::Same here. Any idea as to what's going on? [[User:Fvasconcellos|Fvasconcellos]] 23:10, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
:::I can navigate Wikipedia perfectly, but this is the third time this has happened within 72 hours. If you read some of the above posts you'll see this is a continually occuring problem at the moment. Some users think it's the job queue length. [[User:Acalamari|Acalamari]] 23:11, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
::::OK, thanks. [[User:Fvasconcellos|Fvasconcellos]] 23:14, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::I was just about to report this (: <small>'''VectorPotential'''</small><sup>[[User_talk:VectorP|Talk]]</sup> 23:24, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
::::::I'm glad it's not just one user who's affected; by the fact all users are probably affected means that there is a problem somewhere that needs fixing. [[User:Acalamari|Acalamari]] 23:26, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
:They seem to be working again now. <font color="maroon">[[User:Mr.Z-man|Mr.Z-man]]</font>'''<small>[[User talk:Mr.Z-man|talk]]</small>''<font color="navy" face="cursive">[[Special:Contributions/Mr.Z-man|¢]]</font>''''' 23:34, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
::I was just about to say that. Thanks. :) [[User:Acalamari|Acalamari]] 23:37, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Is there a place where there's up to date statuses about Wikipedia? There should be a place to report this stuff and to actually ''know'' what's going on. --'''''[[User:Ed|<font color="blue" face="comic sans ms">Ed</font>]]''''' <sup>[[User talk:Ed|<font color="maroon" face="comic sans ms">¿Cómo estás?</font>]]</sup> 23:37, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
:Besides this page, where answers may be slow, the best I can think of is the #wikimedia-tech [[WP:IRC|IRC]] channel. Thats where the developers and other tech people tend to hang out. <font color="maroon">[[User:Mr.Z-man|Mr.Z-man]]</font>'''<small>[[User talk:Mr.Z-man|talk]]</small>''<font color="navy" face="cursive">[[Special:Contributions/Mr.Z-man|¢]]</font>''''' 02:28, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Right now, the watchlist is "working" but is only reporting edits that are about four hours old. [[User_talk:Gimmetrow|''Gimmetrow'']] 04:38, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
:It's essentially useless with 4 hour edits. [[User:PullToOpen|PTO]] 04:40, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
It seems to be catching up now... slowly... --- [[User:RockMFR|RockMFR]] 05:01, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

This lag is incredibly annoying - can't see the additions to [[WP:AIV]] on my watchlist meaning I have to actually check it! [[User:Viridae|Viridae]][[User talk:Viridae|<small><sup>Talk</sup></small>]] 05:12, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
:Seems to be about 8 hours behind now. But this is the first time I've experienced it. <strong>[[User:Tvoz|Tvoz]] </strong>|<small>[[User talk:Tvoz|talk]]</small> 05:21, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
::8 hours? Mine is about 2:40! [[User:Viridae|Viridae]][[User talk:Viridae|<small><sup>Talk</sup></small>]] 05:24, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
:::When my watchlist first fell behind, it was by about 5 hours. Now it has caught up to being about 2 and a half hours behind. Why have there been so many problems with watchlists lately? --'''[[User:LuigiManiac|<span style="color:#32CD32">Luigi</span>]][[User Talk:LuigiManiac|<span style="color:green">Maniac</span>]]''' 05:30, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
::::No idea, but its happening again - 15 minutes behind atm. [[User:Viridae|Viridae]][[User talk:Viridae|<small><sup>Talk</sup></small>]] 23:21, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::It is; and the contributions are updating slowly again as well. [[User:Acalamari|Acalamari]] 23:27, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
::::::Wow, this time I didn't even notice until Viridae's edit finally showed up on my watchlist (I have this page on my watchlist). Lag: it's a terrible thing. --'''[[User:LuigiManiac|<span style="color:#32CD32">Luigi</span>]][[User Talk:LuigiManiac|<span style="color:green">Maniac</span>]]''' 23:48, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::::The lag is making vandalism fighting very tough. I also noticed that there is a problem with the font size in some pages. It was happening in my talk page and in other articles, like [[Click (film)]] (scroll down). —[[User:Anas Salloum|<font color="Black">'''''A''n</font><font color=#808080>as'''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Anas Salloum|<font size="-4">talk'''?'''</font>]]</sup> 11:12, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
::::::::I fixed the font problem in [[Click (film)]], which was caused by a missing close html tag for small. Since HTMLTidy has been upgraded on the Wikipedia servers (see message by Tim Starling below) tags don't get closed automatically anymore. [[User:Jayden54|Jayden54]] 11:52, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::Uha, thanks for notifying me of that. —[[User:Anas Salloum|<font color="Black">'''''A''n</font><font color=#808080>as'''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Anas Salloum|<font size="-4">talk'''?'''</font>]]</sup> 17:48, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

== Unknown exception in diff. ==

I was cleaning up vandalism and came across [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ghostface_Killah&diff=prev&oldid=120004683 this]. Up at the top left, it says "Unknown exception in diff". So, what's up? <span style="white-space: nowrap">— [[User:Coelacan|coe<span style="font-variant: small-caps">l</span>]][[User talk:Coelacan|acan]]</span> — 00:44, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

:I've noticed when you make an edit to a page but don't change anything, the revision doesn't appear to append itself to the history. In this case, both revisions are the same (no changes) but somehow got put into the history - my guess. <span style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 8pt;">[[User:x42bn6|<span style="font-weight: bold;">x42bn6</span>]] [[User_talk:x42bn6|Talk]]</span> 00:51, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

::But they're not the same. If you look at the ranged diffs around that edit, it looks like <nowiki>[[Wu-Tang Clan affiliates#Theodore Unit|Theodore Unit]]</nowiki> on line 25 was changed to <nowiki>[[Theodore Unit]]</nowiki>. –[[User talk:Pomte|Pomte]] 02:22, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

:::Hm, interesting; then I have no clue. <span style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 8pt;">[[User:x42bn6|<span style="font-weight: bold;">x42bn6</span>]] [[User_talk:x42bn6|Talk]]</span> 18:01, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

== Previewing ==

Coming here from a suggestion in my post at the Help Desk ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Help_desk#Previewing here])... I don't know if this is happening to anyone else, but lately for me the show preview button hasn't been working. After clicking the button, it refreshes back to the edit window without the preview above it, and only previewing the edit summary. I don't use the button much, but I was working with templates and inserting images the other day and it would have been handy. I disabled [[Wikipedia:Tools/Navigation popups|Tools/Navigation popups]] for a while (preview still didn't work) but logged out it worked fine. Any thoughts/suggestions/comments? I'm not too fussed about it not working, but it should, so... '''[[User:CattleGirl|<font color="blue">Cat</font><font color="darkblue">tleG</font><font color="black">irl</font>]]''' <sup>''[[User talk: CattleGirl| talk]] | [[User:CattleGirl/Autograph Book|sign!]]''</sup> 02:09, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
:It seems to be working fine for me. Do you have a browser problem or something? [[User:Acalamari|Acalamari]] 02:28, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
::No problems that I know of, everything else is working fine besides that button. '''[[User:CattleGirl|<font color="blue">Cat</font><font color="darkblue">tleG</font><font color="black">irl</font>]]''' <sup>''[[User talk: CattleGirl| talk]] | [[User:CattleGirl/Autograph Book|sign!]]''</sup> 02:37, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
:::Here are some tests you may be able to try, which would help isolate the cause of the problem:
:::* Try another [[Web browser]] on your computer.
:::* Try logging into your Wikipedia account from someone else's computer.
:::* Make another (dummy) account and log into it from your computer.
:::Trying those tests could shed some light on whether the problem is in your account settings, or your browser or computer, etc. For example, if the problem always occurs in your account regardless of what computer or browser you are using, but it does not occur in the dummy account from your computer, then the problem is almost certainly in your account settings. Also, when you link to a post on the Help desk, your link will break when the Help desk page gets archived, unless you use a [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Help_desk&oldid=120897495#Previewing permanent link like this]. --[[User:Teratornis|Teratornis]] 04:17, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

== My user page ==

Seems to have started displaying oddly today. Text in sections has become invisible, in Firefox and IE. Any ideas? --[[User:Guinnog|Guinnog]] 09:58, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
: Past versions appear the same way. You don't have closing <nowiki></font></nowiki> tags after your headings e.g. ''Apologia''. –[[User talk:Pomte|Pomte]] 10:06, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
::It's always worked fine until today, so I thought that maybe something has changed at the server end. I lack the skill to edit it; any help you can give me in that would be welcome. --[[User:Guinnog|Guinnog]] 10:18, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
:::I've tried fixing the code. No warranty applies (grin). [[User:Valentinian|Valentinian]] <sup>[[User_talk:Valentinian|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/Valentinian|C]]</sup> 10:43, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
::::Thank you so much for your work. I wonder (as the coding hadn't changed in ages) what made the site less error-tolerant overnight? Oh well, I don't understand such things; I am glad I brought it here. --[[User:Guinnog|Guinnog]] 10:49, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

:::::Are you using a different or upgraded browser than before? I've encountered a similar problem today: The entire bottom section [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007_April_1&oldid=120687627 here] was crossed out for 5 whole days without anyone seeming to notice. It was also an improper tag (<nowiki><s/> instead of </s></nowiki>) so I'm assuming that only some browsers manage to show these errors. Unless the site was autocorrecting and autoclosing tags for some reason, and just stopped. –[[User talk:Pomte|Pomte]] 11:39, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

::::::Both browsers I tried it with (Firefox 2.0.0.3 and Internet Explorer 7) displayed it correctly before. I wondered if something of the sort had happened. --[[User:Guinnog|Guinnog]] 11:51, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::See [[#Tidy upgraded|below]] for what happened. --[[User:CesarB|cesarb]] 20:38, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
:A couple of notes:
:*Tags should be closed in the opposite order they are placed (an example pulled from your page: it should be <nowiki><div style="whatever"><font tags="are evil">'''''Apologia'''''</font></div></nowiki> (close the font tag first, then the div).
:*Font tags, as I oh-so-subtly mentioned in the last example, shouldn't be used; the <nowiki><span></nowiki> (with a proper in-line CSS declaration) can apply the same effects without the odd inconstancies that they can introduce.
:*For that matter, the font tags aren't doing anything in those examples; you can easily put a "font-family" and "color" declaration into the div tag.
:That's all I spotted; I just took a very brief look at the page, though. [[User:EVula|EVula]] <span style="color: #999;">// [[User talk:EVula|talk]] // [[User:EVula/admin|<span style="color: #366;">&#9775;</span>]] //</span> 13:44, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

== Tidy upgraded ==

Our copy of [[HTML Tidy]] has been upgraded. This has apparently caused some minor changes to the way wikitext is rendered, such as in the user page in the village pump section above. These changes are probably here to stay, unless someone can identify clearly broken behaviour in the new Tidy that we can apply to have fixed. Also posted to wikitech-l [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2007-April/030790.html here]. -- [[User:Tim Starling|Tim Starling]] 15:01, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
:I notice as of today, a number of very small html coding errors in signatures and templates are causing major issues on large pages. Particularly templates/signatures lacking closing tags are causing a lot of trouble. Has it stopped autoparsing html tags?--<small>'''VectorPotential'''</small><sup>[[User_talk:VectorP|Talk]]</sup> 18:41, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
::I noticed a strange behavior in HTML ordered lists that have code examples between list items. A code example now renders ''before'' the list item it is ''after'' in the source. See my Help desk question for a complete example, along with the temporary work-around I've been using:
::*[[WP:HD#Strange new behavior for HTML ordered lists]] ([http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Help_desk&oldid=122311506#Strange_new_behavior_for_HTML_ordered_lists permanent link])
::--[[User:Teratornis|Teratornis]] 20:35, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

== Technical problems when trying to revert vandalism ==

I have several times tried to revert vandalism on the article [[Rockville Centre, New York]], and my edit is keep being blocked when I click save as it says I am spamming the page. As the vandalism removed half the page content and reverting it meant restoring the external links, and it is classing these legitimate external links as spam. Why is it doing this, and how can it detect which links are inapropriate and which are not? [[User:Retiono Virginian|Retiono Virginian]] 15:42, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

:That's probably the [[m:Spam blacklist|Spam blacklist]]; take a look at the list to find which of the external links is causing the block, and do not restore it when reverting the page. --[[User:CesarB|cesarb]] 20:35, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

== [[Wikipedia:List_of_protected_pages]] ==

This page has been broken since early yesterday - refuses to display. What's up? - [[User:Merzbow|Merzbow]] 17:55, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
:It always takes ages to load whenever I try and load it... presumably because there are so many protected pages and the content of the page is huge? Perhaps your browser just timed out? --[[User:Deskana|Deskana]] [[User talk:Deskana|<small>(ya rly)</small>]] 17:57, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
::Actually it seems a bit broken. There's an entire section filled with stuff about the article [[lt]], which seems to be an error relating to [[:Template:lt]], and there's also a lot of stuff about the article [[Article]]. It seems a bit bugged out. Maybe we should contact the bot owner. --[[User:Deskana|Deskana]] [[User talk:Deskana|<small>(ya rly)</small>]] 18:01, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
:::That is not a new problem, and it's not a bot problem; it's the [[Wikipedia:template limits|template limits]] getting hit. Just check the HTML source for the page; the parser outputs plenty of warnings hidden inside HTML comments. As to the slow loading, it's no surprise, given that the generated HTML for that page is over two ''[[mebibyte|megabyte]]s'' long, and that's ''without'' expanding a lot of the templates. --[[User:CesarB|cesarb]] 20:32, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
::::I don't even get any HTML source - browser spins for two minutes and then a Wikimedia Foundation error page comes up. - [[User:Merzbow|Merzbow]] 22:26, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm guessing that this page predates the category system? Perhaps it should be moved to categories. - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 10:06, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

== HTML Tidy? ==
Nevermind, post moved to [[Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Tidy upgraded]]--<small>'''VectorPotential'''</small><sup>[[User_talk:VectorP|Talk]]</sup> 18:54, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

== Template not quite working? ==

Here is a partial copy of post at [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Indigenous peoples of North America]]:
{{cquote|''I was pecking away at the [[:Category:Unassessed Indigenous peoples of North America articles]] and noticed something. It seems about a quarter of the articles are listed alphabetically by their names and about three-quarters of the articles are listed under "T" as '''Talk:XXXX''', though all are shown as the Talk pages. I looked at the differences between the two and both types look identical with the '''<nowiki>{{NorthAmNative}}</nowiki>''' template in their Talk pages. Can anyone figure out why so many are being listed under "Talk"? Thanks. [[User:CJLippert|CJLippert]] 05:10, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
: I think I know part of what is going on here. When we have the '''<nowiki>{{NorthAmNative}}</nowiki>''' template alone in the '''Talk:''' page, it files the article under "T" for "Talk" but if there are multiple templates on the '''Talk:''' page, then it files the article under the article's name. This seems like an issue not of IPNA but with the Wikipedia system in general. I will take this question to the [[Wikipedia:Village pump]] or the [[Wikipedia:Help]] and ask there how to resolve this issue. [[User:CJLippert|CJLippert]] 18:42, 6 April 2007 (UTC)|17px|17px}}
Can anyone here tell me how to resolve this issue I stumbled across? Help appreciated. [[User:CJLippert|CJLippert]] 18:50, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

:You don't have to do anything; just wait for the [[Help:job queue|job queue]] to catch up. The template was changed very recently, and it was not using <code><nowiki>{{PAGENAME}}</nowiki></code> before; what you are seeing is still the old categorization. --[[User:CesarB|cesarb]] 20:23, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

== Funny Formatting In The Article About Amber ==

[[Amber]]

The formatting in this article gets strange about 1/2 way down starting at "Amber Inclusions". Everything is italicized from that section down. I looked in the source in a number of different places but I didn't see any stray "italic" syntax. Can someone take a look at this and see what is going on? [[User:67.177.149.119|67.177.149.119]] 20:25, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
*See [[Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Tidy upgraded]]--<small>'''VectorPotential'''</small><sup>[[User_talk:VectorP|Talk]]</sup> 20:25, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
:*I've gone ahead and fixed the {{article|amber}} article, the problem was someone forgot to close a <nowiki></cite></nowiki> tag--<small>'''VectorPotential'''</small><sup>[[User_talk:VectorP|Talk]]</sup> 20:28, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

== American/British web page parser? ==

Sorry if this is question has previously been asked, but is there a tool I can use that will look at a wikipedia article and search for words that are distinctive between the American and British versions of the English language? I.e. cookie in American, biscuit in British; potato chip in American, crisp in British; center in American, centre in British; and so forth. I need to be able to search a long page and look for potential intermixing of the two. Thank you! &mdash; [[User:RJHall|RJH]] ([[User_talk:RJHall|''talk'']]) 20:35, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

== CURENTUSER template ? ==
Hello. I there such a template wich replace by the current user name? I tryed : <code><nowiki>{{CURENTUSER}},{{CURENTUSER}}, {{USER}}, {{USERPAGE}}</nowiki></code>, {{Special:Mypage}}, {{Special:Mytalk}}... but and searched in help files but i didn't find a suitable one.<br>
It is for use in an input box such as :
<pre><nowiki><inputbox>
type=create
preload={{PAGENAME}}/Bookmark
break=no
prefix=User:{{CURENTUSER}}/Bookmarks/
buttonlabel=New bookmark
</inputbox></nowiki></pre>
It is for a wikia project.<br>
Thanks by advance if you can help.--[[User:Ttibaut|Ttibaut]] 22:47, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
:No, there's no such magicword.[http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/MagicWord.php?view=markup] At a guess, it's because it wouldn't be able to be meaningfully cached by the [[Squid cache|Squids]]. &mdash;[[User talk:Cryptic|Cryptic]] 00:29, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
::Ok thanks. I will try to find another way to do it. If someone has an idea it would be welcomed ^-^--[[User:Ttibaut|Ttibaut]] 00:40, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

:I think that using <code>Special:Mypage/Bookmarks/</code> could work, but you'd have to be on a site that is using a version of [[m:Help:Inputbox|Inputbox]] that actually supports <code>prefix</code> to test that. The version installed on Wikipedia doesn't support it as far as I can tell; I'm not sure about Wikia. [[User talk:Mike Dillon|Mike Dillon]] 00:44, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
::Wikia support prefix. Thanks, i'll give you the result of the test in a few minutes^-^--[[User:Ttibaut|Ttibaut]] 00:54, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
:::It works!!! Thank you very much Mike!!!--[[User:Ttibaut|Ttibaut]] 00:58, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

== Index.php query string ==

Where can I find the sintax of the query string for <code>index.php</code>?
(For example, when I clicked for writing this post the URL was <code><nowiki>http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php</nowiki>'''<nowiki>?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28technical%29&action=edit&section=new</nowiki>'''</code>.)
I would like to develop a web form for adding <nowiki>{{subst:uw-delete1}}</nowiki> and similar templates on User Talk pages, and for performing other task which require editing multiple pages. Some time ago I noticed somewhere that there was a <code>body</code> (or similar) parameter which allow filling the edition text area with a predefined value, but I would like to know the whole spectrum of possibilites. [[User:Rjgodoy|Rjgodoy]] 04:11, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
:Try having a look at [[:mw:Manual:Parameters to index.php|Manual:Parameters to index.php]].[[User:Titoxd|Tito<span style="color:#008000;">xd</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Titoxd|?!?]] - [[WP:FAC|cool stuff]])</sup> 07:52, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
::Oops, didn't notice you snuck in an edit there Titoxd. My fault for taking half an hour to type this ^_^. --[[User:Splarka|Splarka]] ([[User_talk:Splarka|rant]])

:The "''whole spectrum''" is pretty big, as each action and each Special page (as well as each extension Special page) can have its own unique parameters. Here is the best non-source-code (but incomplete) list you'll probably find: [[mw:Manual:Parameters_to_index.php]]. However, these aren't specific to 'index.php' as that is basically the long form of the same URI (/wiki/ is just an available alias set by .htaccess or something). For example: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Splarka?action=edit en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Splarka?action=edit].
:You can often have good luck finding usable URI parameter names by viewing the html. For example, on a delete page: &lt;input type='text' size='60' name='wpReason' id='wpReason' value="" tabindex="1" /&gt;
:The name in this case indicates the parameter, so for example you can use <code>&wpReason=some+reason</code> to preload a reason. However, sometimes you need to view the php source. The edit page ([http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/EditPage.php?view=co source]) only seems to take 4 URI parameters:
# Get variables from query string :P
$section = $wgRequest->getVal( 'section' );
$preload = $wgRequest->getVal( 'preload' );
$undoafter = $wgRequest->getVal( 'undoafter' );
$undo = $wgRequest->getVal( 'undo' );
:The rest are all POST, as far as I can tell. But, what you ''can'' do, is use &preload=Some_Template&section=new (because preload only works with new pages or new sections, and needs a template for 'preload').
:What I've done before to circumvent this, is a bit of javascript (for example, see [[Wikia:User:Splarka/newwiki.js]]). You could write up a little script that would, with a properly formatted URI like say: <code>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Splarka?action=edit&appendtext=%3D%3DSome+header%3D%3D%0A%0A%7B%7Bsubst%3Auw-delete1%7D%7D%0A&autosave=true</code>
:(I often use scripts like this to batch delete, batch move, batch block, and even batch upload files, with nothing more than Firefox)... one problem though, is it requires a user to edit their user js, unlike the preload above.
:Anyway, HTH. --[[User:Splarka|Splarka]] ([[User_talk:Splarka|rant]]) 08:10, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

== ping delay problem ==

Hi there,

I have a small problem in terms of networking.

I had a test setup consisting of two Cisco Routers and when I Ping from one Router to Another the delay time is being inconsitent.

This setup was setup in our office and when I try to ping from one Router the Average ping delay should be around 650mSec but it is surpassing the limit and even sometimes exceeding 700mSec , which is not acceptable by our Inspection Agency, all they want to clear the system is a very good reason for the cause of inconsistent ping delay as it is exceeding the Specification.

I would like someone to assist me in this regard at the earliest, for the product to get cleared.

Thank you
D.ravikanth
*The technical section of the village pump is used to discuss technical issues about Wikipedia. Maybe the reference desk can help. Good luck, [[User:Notinasnaid|Notinasnaid]] 07:32, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

== [[It's On (Dr. Dre) 187um Killa]] ==

Do other people see this article as I do &mdash; with the line that's normally under the title actually going through it? If so, does anyone have any idea why this is happening? (If not, does anybody have any idea why ''I'm'' seeing it that way?) --[[User:Mel Etitis|Mel Etitis]] ([[User talk:Mel Etitis|<font color="green">Talk</font>]]) 09:33, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

* I also see the line going through... may be because of the superscript? [[User:Rjgodoy|Rjgodoy]] 10:11, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

::I assume so, but I can't see how to get rid of it; nothing shows up on the Move screen. --[[User:Mel Etitis|Mel Etitis]] ([[User talk:Mel Etitis|<font color="green">Talk</font>]]) 23:28, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

:::Looks fine to me. Try previewing the article after removing the {{tl|downsize}} line. This might be a reason to disallow tags like <nowiki><sup></nowiki> on the title line. –[[User talk:Pomte|Pomte]] 01:13, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, that worked. I agree about superscript tags. --[[User:Mel Etitis|Mel Etitis]] ([[User talk:Mel Etitis|<font color="green">Talk</font>]]) 09:21, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

== Really confusing ==

[[Wikipedia:Help desk#Really confusing|This really odd problem]] seems not to be isolated. Can anyone here comment? [[User:AndyJones|AndyJones]] 15:18, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

== New messages bar ==

My new messages bar has popped up at least 5 times in the last 20 minutes but I haven't been receiving new messages at all. What's wrong? [[User_talk:Evilclown93 | The Evil Clown]] <sup><small>[[Special:Contributions/Evilclown93|my contributions]]</small></sup> 16:22, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

:It just happened to me too, while viewing a diff. [[User:Femto|Femto]] 18:20, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

:: BTW, I forgot to mention that, it happens during diffs, and when I finish the revery, it still is there until you go to your talk. [[User_talk:Evilclown93 | The Evil Clown]] <sup><small>[[Special:Contributions/Evilclown93|my contributions]]</small></sup> 18:22, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
:::Well, ''that'' function is happening as it is supposed to; the message appears until you view your talk page, no matter what. If it is still appearing ''after'' that, though, that would be a different problem.
:::Also, it might be that someone made a minor edit, but not a new post ''per se''; the system can't distinguish between the two, and so gives you a message no matter what. [[User:EVula|EVula]] <span style="color: #999;">// [[User talk:EVula|talk]] // [[User:EVula/admin|<span style="color: #366;">&#9775;</span>]] //</span> 23:21, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
:::: There was no edit made at all. Or esle I won't be complaining. [[User_talk:Evilclown93 | The Evil Clown]] <sup><small>[[Special:Contributions/Evilclown93|my contributions]]</small></sup> 00:20, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

:In my case, there hasn't been an edit to my talk page in the last 20 hours before the phantom message bar popped up. Not even a deleted edit in the revision history ...unless a revision was removed by [[Wikipedia:Oversight]]. Would the new message flag remain in those cases? Anyone here with permissions to check the oversight log for [[User talk:Evilclown93]] and [[User talk:Femto]]? Sounds unlikely though. (And no, it wasn't one of those fake practical joke messages on people's user pages, just to be clear.) Perhaps there was a major glitch in the synchronization of the server times, something like that. [[User:Femto|Femto]] 12:12, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
::I think that might be it; I know there have been a lot of strange time-delay glitches here lately, such as the contribs page being out of date and whatnot. [[User:EVula|EVula]] <span style="color: #999;">// [[User talk:EVula|talk]] // [[User:EVula/admin|<span style="color: #366;">&#9775;</span>]] //</span> 16:27, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

== "Skip to end" link in long TOCs and articles ==

Could there be a link at the top-right of each TOC, to "skip to end of TOC" (or somesuch). That would be useful on pages with long TOCs, like [[Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents]]. Likewise, a "skip to end of article" link at the top of each article? [[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]] 23:13, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
:Well, you can always use the "hide" link on the TOC to get that out of the way (or use the Page Down key), and the "End" key on your keyboard to go to the end of the page. Incidentally, I can't think of a reason why going to the ''very end'' of an article is of use; the only time you might do that is to add a new section to a talk page, which can be done with the "+" link at the top of every talk page. [[User:EVula|EVula]] <span style="color: #999;">// [[User talk:EVula|talk]] // [[User:EVula/admin|<span style="color: #366;">&#9775;</span>]] //</span> 23:19, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
::Hiding the TOC won't help, if it's the last item(s), in a long TOC, which a user wishes to reach. Jumping to the end of a page finds the last additions to a talk page, or the end of a long table or list, or the categories, or external links, or... [[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]] 23:28, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
:::In that case, the End key still works.<br />Not trying to be a dick, I'm just pointing out that, if there isn't a serious need for a system-wide change (which adding a function to the TOC would count as), the developers just won't do it. [[User:EVula|EVula]] <span style="color: #999;">// [[User talk:EVula|talk]] // [[User:EVula/admin|<span style="color: #366;">&#9775;</span>]] //</span> 06:20, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
::::"''the End key still work''" - How does the End key take a user to the end of the TOC? And you know that all user have systems with end keys how, exactly? In any case, the end key requires the user's hands (assuming they have hands...) to be on the keyboard. What if they're using a mouse?
:::::I mentioned the End key in regards to your "how does someone get to the bottom of the article" comment. To get to the bottom of the TOC, you can still use the Page Down button.<br />I'm 99% sure that all keyboards have those buttons, so I'm not particularly concerned about that. :)<br />*sigh* Look, I'm just saying how ''you'' can achieve the same functionality you're asking for ''without'' a change to the system. There might be a legitimate need for a "skip TOC" function for non-traditional browsers (ie: screen readers or people who use a Blackberry to surf, etc), but for what I suspect is the ''vast'' majority of Wikipedia users and editors, I think the current system is sufficient. If they've got their hands on the mouse but not the keyboard (ignoring the fact that it isn't difficult at all to move your hand back and forth between the two), then the mouse-enabled user can just click in the scroll area of their browser. [[User:EVula|EVula]] <span style="color: #999;">// [[User talk:EVula|talk]] // [[User:EVula/admin|<span style="color: #366;">&#9775;</span>]] //</span> 16:40, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
::::::"''I'm just saying how you can achieve the same functionality you're asking for without a change to the system.''" The functionality I'm asking for is for a ''single-click'' solution to take a user to the last entry in a TOC or the end of a page. All of your comments seem to assume an able-bodied user with a typical PC/ mac system. [[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]] 11:05, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

== Monobook.js ==

Does the monobook.js make my user account broken? I want to know. [[User:Jet123|<span style="background:orange; font-family:Curlz MT; font-size:14pt; color:blue">Jet123</span>]]<sup>[[User_Talk:Jet123|<span style="color:black;"> ~~My talk page~~</span>]]</sup> 23:17, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

:Your monobook.js seems not to exist, and so it can't be broken. [[User:CMummert|CMummert]] · <small>[[User talk:CMummert|talk]]</small> 23:22, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

== What happened?! ==

All of a sudden, my scripts quit working. Any idea what's up? &nbsp;<b>[[Wikipedia:Editor review/Steptrip_2|<font family="Trebuchet MS" color="#D2691E" size="2">''~''</font>]]<font face="Vivaldi" size="3">[[User:Steptrip|<font color="#FF0000">St</font><font color="#FFD700">ep</font>]][[User talk:Steptrip|<font color="#7CFC00">tr</font><font color="#00FFFF">ip</font>]]</font></b> 00:10, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

:Hi. I seem to have had a similar problem. When I added new options of popups to my monobook, they didn't change anything. When I bypassed my cache, it stopped working altogether. When I removed it, it worked just fine. I guess some scripts are problematic. I might need some help with this too. Thanks. &ndash; [[User:AstroHurricane001/ASTRO|<font color="blue">A</font>]][[User:AstroHurricane001|<font color="Purple">stroHur</font>]][[WP:WPTC|<font color="Gray">ricane</font>]][[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Dinosaurs|<font color="green">00</font>]][[Comet McNaught|<font color="Red">1</font>]]<sup><font color="purple">([[User_talk:AstroHurricane001|Talk]]+[[Special:Contributions/AstroHurricane001|Contribs]]+[[User:AstroHurricane001/Userboxes|Ubx]])</font>(<font color="blue"><small>+[[User:AstroHurricane001/Sigs|sign here]]+[[Wikipedia:Editor_review/AstroHurricane001|How's my editing?]]</small></font>)</sup> 00:55, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
::I had this problem after a recent firefox upgrade, kicked up javascript option to off, try reseting that setting in your browser. — [[User:Xaosflux|<b><font color="#FF9933" face="monotype">xaosflux</font></b>]] <sup>[[User_talk:Xaosflux|<font color="#00FF00">Talk</font>]]</sup> 00:57, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

== wikimedia diff function ==
I have several questions on diff program used for page historirs.

1) Is the diff program specifically developed for wikipedia?

2) Is it almost the same as the "dif" program under unix/linux?

3) If it is different, what are the major differences?

4) Is it obtainable from wikipedia or any other resource?

5) Is there any technical paper on how to reimplement it?

Thanks,

Ramazan.
:I don't know, but if someone doesn't come along with an answer, perhaps you could look at the source. The database is available at [[Wikipedia:Database download]], but points to the frontend source at [[Wikipedia:MediaWiki]], which says it's at http://sourceforge.net/projects/wikipedia/. I agree, it acts a lot like the Linux [[diff]] utility. —[[user:EncMstr|EncMstr]] 05:33, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

::1) kind of, 2) no, 3) it makes HTML and does word-level diffs, 4) [http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/wikidiff2/ C++ version (used on Wikipedia)], [http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/DifferenceEngine.php?revision=20995&view=markup PHP version (used on other MediaWiki wikis)]. 5) Possibly, try an abstract search. It's based on a diff module from PhpWiki, which was based on a Perl module by Ned Konz (now obsolete), which was loosely based on GNU diffutils. Various features and optimisations were added along the way. See the comments in the source. -- [[User:Tim Starling|Tim Starling]] 07:31, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

== Something wrong ==

Something wrong with the colors in Wikipedia. In my userpage, some of the blue and black color texts was turned into white. And not even that. This part I took from [[User:Snowolfd4]]'s sign. Previously it was green and now its blue. <sup>( <font color="#339966" face="Constantia">[[User_Talk:Snowolfd4| '''talk''']]</font>)</sup> Original version can found on [[User_talk:Snowolfd4|here]].----[[User:Lahiru_k|<font color="blue">'''♪♫ ĽąĦĩŘǔ ♫♪'''</font>]] [[User talk:Lahiru_k|<font color="blue"><sup>walkie-talkie</font>]]</sup> 08:34, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

==SVG rendering with opaque background instead of transparent==

Could a developer look at [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Computing#Image:School_ip.svg this conversation on the reference desk] and confirm whether it is a browser problem or wiki problem (and if it is the latter then hopefully fix it). Thanks in advance [[User:Theresa knott|Theresa Knott]] | [[User talk:Theresa knott|Taste the Korn]] 12:14, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

== Horizontal TOC ==


Is there such a thing as a horizontal toc? I've looked a lot of places now - and I can't seem to find one, but I figure if anyone knew you guys would. One problem is I can't do this like a css type of thing - any user that comes has to see it horizontally. I was hoping for something like this (with less space in between words):
{| width="100%" style="border: 2px solid #999999; background:#CCCCCC; text-align:center; font-size: x-small"
|-
|style="text-align:center" colspan="4"|'''Table of Contents'''
|-
|width="25%"|<font color="blue"><u>Welcome to Wikipedia!</u></font>||width="25%"|<font color="blue"><u>Great Job on your First edit!</u></font>||width="25%"|<font color="blue"><u>Can I have your Opinion</u></font>||width="25%"|<font color="blue"><u>Your first barnstar</u></font>
|-
|width="25%"|<font color="blue"><u>You have been elected to an admin position</u></font>||width="25%"|<font color="blue"><u>You have been elected to the Jimbo position</u></font>||width="25%"|<font color="blue"><u>WHAT WERE YOU THINKING? WE'RE RUINED!</u></font>||width="25%"|<font color="blue"><u>Thanks to you I won't ever let people edit MY wiki again - Jimbo</u></font>
|}
Thanks for any help! {{Signed|Danielfolsom}}

: There are horizontal ones at [[Wikipedia:Template messages/Compact table of contents]], but these are for long alphanumeric and similar lists. –[[User talk:Pomte|Pomte]] 16:34, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
::What about this?
<pre><nowiki>
<div class="horizontal">
__TOC__
</div>
</nowiki></pre>
::It's a new feature that's being worked out at the moment. --[[User:ais523|ais523]] 16:50, 8 April 2007 ([[User:ais523|U]][[User talk:ais523|T]][[Special:Contributions/Ais523|C]])
:::Wow - thanks for te quick response!<small>[[User:Danielfolsom|<span style="color: #CCFF99; background: #003300">daniel]][[User_talk:Danielfolsom|<span style="color:#FFCCCC; background:#660000">folsom]][[Special:Contributions/Danielfolsom|<span style="color:#FFFFCC; background:#333300">&nbsp;©]]</span></span></span></small>
:::You're lucky in the timing; that wouldn't have worked a week ago. There are still some problems with Internet Explorer 6 that need to be worked out. --[[User:ais523|ais523]] 17:05, 8 April 2007 ([[User:ais523|U]][[User talk:ais523|T]][[Special:Contributions/Ais523|C]])

== Watchlist customisations? ==

Or, more specifically, is there any way to display the date on which each item was added to my watchlist? I would find this useful as a memory aid. [[User:Adrian_M._H.|<font color="#4B0082">'''Adrian'''</font>]] [[User_talk:Adrian_M._H.|<font color="#4B0082">'''M. H.'''</font>]] 16:45, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
:I don't think that information's recorded by the server, so there'd be no way to display it (and [[mw:Watchlist table]] confirms this). --[[User:ais523|ais523]] 16:48, 8 April 2007 ([[User:ais523|U]][[User talk:ais523|T]][[Special:Contributions/Ais523|C]])
:Oh well, thanks anyway. I wondered if that might be the case. Back to the notepad and pen! [[User:Adrian_M._H.|<font color="#4B0082">'''Adrian'''</font>]] [[User_talk:Adrian_M._H.|<font color="#4B0082">'''M. H.'''</font>]] 16:52, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
::You could add links to a user subpage. This way, your edit history will tell you when you added each link, and you can use Special:Recentchangeslinked as a pseudo-watchlist. –[[User talk:Pomte|Pomte]] 17:11, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
:::That's not a bad idea. Thanks. [[User:Adrian_M._H.|<font color="#4B0082">'''Adrian'''</font>]] [[User_talk:Adrian_M._H.|<font color="#4B0082">'''M. H.'''</font>]] 17:46, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
==Link color Table==
Is there anyway to set the color of links for an entire table?<small>[[User:Danielfolsom|<span style="color: #CCFF99; background: #003300">daniel]][[User_talk:Danielfolsom|<span style="color:#FFCCCC; background:#660000">folsom]][[Special:Contributions/Danielfolsom|<span style="color:#FFFFCC; background:#333300">&nbsp;©]]</span></span></span></small> 18:17, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

==Edit and editor count==

First, is there a way to determine the number of edits an article has had, and second, the number of editors that have edited the article. I wanted that info for [[Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Association of Members' Advocates|this]] without having to count. Thanks. [[User:KnightLago|KnightLago]] 20:14, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

:Yeah here's the article statics page.[http://vs.aka-online.de/wppagehiststat/] --[[User:Lahiru_k|<font color="blue">'''♪♫ ĽąĦĩŘǔ ♫♪'''</font>]] [[User talk:Lahiru_k|<font color="blue"><sup>walkie-talkie</font>]]</sup> 20:23, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. [[User:KnightLago|KnightLago]] 20:41, 8 April 2007 (UTC)


==Suggesting additions==
I want to propose a new feature that would involve a built-in moving/renaming tool for categories, similar to the one we have for pages. Where do I propose this and/or who do I contact about this? --[[User:Hemlock Martinis|Hemlock Martinis]] 23:04, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
:Well, you can use [[WP:AWB|AWB]] <tt>:)</tt> If you moved Category:A to Category:B, then all of the pages in Category:A would ''still'' say Category:A, and Category:B would be empty, even if the wikitext and revision history of Category:A was moved. Is the latter what you're looking for? [[User:Gracenotes|<font color="#960">Grace</font><font color="#000">notes</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Gracenotes|<font color="#960">T</font>]]</sup> § 00:46, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
::I guess that works. I was hoping for a built-in feature, but I doubt that'll happen. Thanks! --[[User:Hemlock Martinis|Hemlock Martinis]] 00:50, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

== Repeating my questions ==

I hope it is alright to do this. I asked some questions on this page that were never answered, and seeing as how they are in the archive now, I would like to repost them in hopes of getting some responses. Here they are, as copied and pasted from the archive:

:I need some help with my userpage. I got bored and started looking around when I came across [[User:Misza13|Misza13's]] Status Switcher script. I decided to use it, but after I put everything in I now have two problems. Problem one is that it says Example's Status on the template on my userpage. How do I get that to say LuigiManiac's Status? My second problem is that before I put in the template, my userboxes were on the far right side of the page. Now they moved to the left of the Status template. How do I get them back where they were? Thank you in advance. <small>From 24 March 2007</small>

:Okay, while I'm waiting for my five day old problem to be solved, I have a new one. It also has to do with scripts. I just started helping the fine folks at Wikipedia:Disambiguation pages with links, and I tried out Barticus88's dpl.js (it's shown on WP:DPL's talk page). It actually is working just fine. What's the problem? Well, I also have the popups tool in my monobook.js, and it was working until I put in dpl.js. Now I can't get any popups to, well, pop up. After using it for awhile, I put dpl.js out, purged my cache, tested my popups, put it back in, purged my cache again, and tested popups again, and I can say with great certainty that the dpl.js is blocking the popups tool. I like both of them, so is there is some way to have both enabled at the same time? Thanks in advance. <small>From 30 March 2007</small>

I hope that these will finally be answered, as they still have not been resolved. --'''[[User:LuigiManiac|<span style="color:#32CD32">Luigi</span>]][[User Talk:LuigiManiac|<span style="color:green">Maniac</span>]]''' 02:38, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

:The first one is done. The second one is more complex. [[User:Prodego|<font color="darkgreen">''Prodego''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Prodego|<font color="darkgreen">talk</font>]]</sup> 03:07, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

== Non-ASCII characters ==

I'm trying to clean up [[Han]]. It includes many non-ASCII characters, which display as question marks in Firefox (2.0.0.3, encoding Unicode UTF-8). I've heard that, in some cases, non-ASCII characters can be "corrupted" and actually stored as question marks or other gibberish characters in the database. How do I know whether or not that's the case here? --[[User:Smack|Smack]] ([[User talk:Smack|talk]]) 03:54, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
:The easiest approach is to install and use a font that include Asian characters, see [[Help:Multilingual support]]. -- [[user:Rick Block|Rick Block]] <small>([[user talk:Rick Block|talk]])</small> 04:21, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
:None of the character on that page appear as a question mark. In the past I've made such a corruption: copied article text into an editor, made changes, and when I pasted it back into the edit box, the characters appeared as question marks. –[[User talk:Pomte|Pomte]] 09:54, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

== Diff error ==

For some reason, the diffs on some edits I'm making in AWB aren't displaying right. For the article [[İskenderun]] I changed [[:Category:Port cities]] to [[:Category:Port cities in Turkey]]. The category was changed but the diff shows the category simply being removed [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%C4%B0skenderun&diff=prev&oldid=121348941]. It did this for some other articles that I changed but not all (see [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ku%C5%9Fadas%C4%B1&diff=prev&oldid=121350134]). I have made similar edits with AWB (slightly different category) and never had this problem. <font color="maroon">[[User:Mr.Z-man|Mr.Z-man]]</font>'''<small>[[User talk:Mr.Z-man|talk]]</small>''<font color="navy" face="cursive">[[Special:Contributions/Mr.Z-man|¢]]</font>''''' 04:38, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
:According to the history for [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%C4%B0skenderun&diff=prev&oldid=121348941 this one], the article already had both categories prior to your change (see [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%C4%B0skenderun&oldid=120168618 this revision] just before yours). So instead of replacing the one category with a duplicate of the other one, the first one was apparently just removed. –&nbsp;[[User:M C Y 1008|<span style="color:#f33;">mcy1008</span>]]&nbsp;<small>([[User talk:M C Y 1008|<span style="color:#393;">talk</span>]])</small> 05:01, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
::That must be a quirk of AWB; because when there are two of the same category, it changes both of them. <font color="maroon">[[User:Mr.Z-man|Mr.Z-man]]</font>'''<small>[[User talk:Mr.Z-man|talk]]</small>''<font color="navy" face="cursive">[[Special:Contributions/Mr.Z-man|¢]]</font>''''' 05:40, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

== SVG Music Score Creator ==

I would like to notate music in [[SVG]] format. I downloaded [http://lilypond.org/web/install LilyPond] and successfully created some notes on a [[staff (music)|staff]] in .ly format, but when it came time to convert the .ly files, the LilyPond program gave me a PS ([[PostScript]]) file even when I asked the Command Prompt ([[DOS]]) for <tt>-fsvg</tt>. Then I went on a search for PS to SVG converters and found [http://www.pstoedit.net/pstoedit pstoedit] and [http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~ghost Ghostscript], which produced an error message in Command Prompt that <tt>pstoedit</tt> was not a recognized command (<tt>lilypond</tt>, which converted LY to PS, was recognized though).

Does anyone know of a free program that can create music in SVG (preferably directly)? Make sure the SVG file can be opened in [[Inkscape]]! Otherwise, is there a way to convert PS to SVG or [[PDF]] to SVG? Thanks in advance. -- [[User:King of Hearts|King of]] [[User:King of Hearts|<font color="red">&hearts;</font>]] [[User talk:King of Hearts|<font color="red">&diams;</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/King of Hearts|<font color="black">&clubs;</font>]] [[Special:Emailuser/King of Hearts|<font color="black">&spades;</font>]] 06:03, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

:Have you tried using [[ImageMagick]] to convert. I have not looked for th answer to this problem specifically but am reasonably certain that if lilypond cant do it, then nothing else will. [[User:Conrad.Irwin|Conrad.Irwin]] 18:25, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

:It looks like you want to use the <code>--backend=svg</code> option, not <code>--formats</code>. Just downloaded a couple of [http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.5/examples.html example scores] and successfully converted them to SVG. The strange thing was that the weren't viewable in Inkscape, but they were viewable with rsvg-view (albeit with some graphical issues). I'm not sure what it takes to make these SVG files viewable in Inkscape. [[User talk:Mike Dillon|Mike Dillon]] 01:39, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

::There seems to be a couple of issues:
::# Lilypond creates multipage SVG files, which are not supported by Inkscape (at least in version 0.45.1)
::# The font stuff is a little bit tricky
::It's possible to work around the multi-page issue with a little hacking by splitting the pages into their own SVG files. I found a few references to getting the embedded font support to work, but I didn't take the time to actually do so. [[User talk:Mike Dillon|Mike Dillon]] 02:07, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

:Also, if you do decide to convert PS to SVG, I believe that [[Scribus]] can do this with varying levels of success. I've used it to convert a few EPS files to SVG in the past. [[User talk:Mike Dillon|Mike Dillon]] 04:58, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

==Sorting Names Aphabetically in Categories==
In [[:ka:|Georgian Wikipedia]] in order to have peoples' bios sorted aphabetically in their categories we have to name articles as "last name, first name" (e.g. Washington, George, etc., which is unnatural for the language, [[:ka:კატეგორია:ქართველი_მხატვრები|see example]]), but here in English Wikipedia it's not required. Can anyone tell, what do we need to do to rectify this? Will very much appreciate. - [[user:Alsandro|Alsandro]] · [[user talk:Alsandro|T]] · [[:ka:user:Alsandro|w:ka:]] [http://ka.wikipedia.org/wiki/user_talk:Alsandro?action=history Th] · [[:ka:user talk:Alsandro|T]] 07:05, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
: What you can do is use [[:Help:Category|category sort keys]] on individual articles. AFAIK, there's no way to do this wiki-wide. [[User:Titoxd|Tito<span style="color:#008000;">xd</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Titoxd|?!?]] - [[WP:FAC|cool stuff]])</sup> 08:12, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
::thanks. - [[user:Alsandro|Alsandro]] · [[user talk:Alsandro|T]] · [[:ka:user:Alsandro|w:ka:]] [http://ka.wikipedia.org/wiki/user_talk:Alsandro?action=history Th] · [[:ka:user talk:Alsandro|T]] 07:15, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

== Something wrong with the codes I copied ==

I have copied <nowiki>{{User:Storkk/Quotes{{#expr:{{#time:i}} mod 4}}}}</nowiki> from [[User:Storkk]], where ''User:Storkk/Quotes'' led to [[User:Storkk/Quotes2]] or [[User:Storkk/Quotes3]]. Then I altered it to <nowiki>{{User:Aditya Kabir/Devil's dictionary{{#expr:{{#time:i}} mod 4}}}}</nowiki> on [[User:Aditya Kabir]], where ''User:Aditya Kabir/Devil's dictionary'' leads to [[User:Aditya Kabir/Devil's dictionary]]. I also have copied the switch to 30 quotes on [[User:Storkk/Quotes2]] and expanded it to 100 quotes on [[User:Aditya Kabir/Devil's dictionary]]. But, it is not working, and my limited knowledge can't figure it out. Can anyone take a look at the codes and figure out the problem? If you respond here, please, leave a note on my talk page. [[User:Aditya Kabir|Aditya Kabir]] 08:19, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
:I'm not an expert on Wiki parser functions, but I think your codes are correct. However, Wikipedia aggressively caches page content. If you try to edit one of the pages, and then replace "&action=edit" in the URL with "&action=purge", you'll see a new random quote. I don't know how you get around page caching other than by this manual method.-<font face="cursive" color="#808080">[[User talk:gadfium|gadfium]]</font> 09:04, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
::Thank you very much. The manual method is not working either, it's showing as a red link. Every time I click on it it gets me to - http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Aditya_Kabir/Devil%27s_dictionary1&action=edit. When I replace "=edit" with "=purge" it's back the redlink again. No quotes anywhere. The code is working fine the page I copied it from. What to do? [[User:Aditya Kabir|Aditya Kabir]] 10:37, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
:::I guess, I have been able to figure it out. The trick is to have multiple pages with the same switching code. It gets me to [[User:Aditya Kabir/Devil's dictionary0]], [[User:Aditya Kabir/Devil's dictionary1]] and [[User:Aditya Kabir/Devil's dictionary2]]. It doesn't seem to use the original [[User:Aditya Kabir/Devil's dictionary]] page at all. [[User:Aditya Kabir|Aditya Kabir]] 10:46, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
::::Technically you're supposed to have [[User:Aditya Kabir/Devil's dictionary3]] too. The idea is to have different sets of quotes on each of these dictionary pages. But that's an inefficient way of doing it. If you want to keep all the quotes on one page, get rid of <nowiki>{{#expr:{{#time:i}} mod 4}}</nowiki>, so you can stick to [[User:Aditya Kabir/Devil's dictionary]] without bothering about the numbered pages. –[[User talk:Pomte|Pomte]] 11:19, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

== Adding attributes to links ==

Can we add "class " and/ or "rel" attributes to internal and external links? This is needed for certain [[microformat]]s, as outlined at [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Microformats#MediaWiki issues]]. [[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]] 08:56, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

== TeX is UGLY ==

The images containing renderings of any TeX used in articles generates them in a font that is completely different from the article font. In a size that is too big, and on a background that is always white. Is there anything that can be done to make these images blend in more with the articles, i.e. use the ''cmbright'' package to render the equations sans serif - and turn the font size down a bit. Also would it be possible to use a transparent background for the images? [[User:Conrad.Irwin|Conrad.Irwin]] 09:35, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

: Serifs are useful to differentiate between similar symbols. Complicated expressions need the large font size. Consider the [[normal distribution]]:
::<math>f(x;\mu,\sigma) = \frac{1}{\sigma\sqrt{2\pi}} \, e^{ -\frac{(x- \mu)^2}{2\sigma^2}}</math>
:--[[User:Smack|Smack]] ([[User talk:Smack|talk]]) 05:16, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

:TeX is ugly, I argued that when it was first introduced [http://marc.info/?l=wikitech-l&m=104230037702147&w=2]. But I disagree about the sans serif, I'd rather see the whole article in a serif font to match the TeX rather than the other way around. -- [[User:Tim Starling|Tim Starling]] 13:41, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

::We can't control what font the article is in - the user does that with their web browser. I think that the biggest impediment to getting rid of TEX is that there is no reasonable support in pure HTML for anything except subscripts and superscripts, and until the browsers have a way to format math natively we are stuck with TEX images for complicated expressions. As a test, try to show the formula that Smack has above without using TEX in a way that most browsers will display correctly. [[User:CMummert|CMummert]] · <small>[[User talk:CMummert|talk]]</small> 13:45, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

:::Tex does not look ugly to me. It looks nice. Using a different font for math symbols than text is a common practice. <small>[[User:HighInBC|<sup>High</sup><sub>InBC</sub>]]<sup>(Need help? [[User_talk:HighInBC|Ask me]])</sup></small> 13:47, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

== kan't login ==

wen i try to get in mi account, i get the 404 message. so i kan't login

nd yes, i deliberately tiping like dis, so mi ip isnt associated wit my accoutn.

-[[User:75.26.3.100|75.26.3.100]] 16:51, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

:Ummm? How will changing how you type do anything? If it is a 404 you should just try again, it is probably on our end. [[User:Prodego|<font color="darkgreen">''Prodego''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Prodego|<font color="darkgreen">talk</font>]]</sup> 17:12, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

:I had some trouble logging in too, something about technical difficulties. The problem went away after I executed the <code>ipconfig /flushdns</code> command, which I assume assigned my computer a new server to work with. —[[User:Remember the dot|Remember the dot]] <sup>([[User talk:Remember the dot|talk]])</sup> 17:18, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

== Timestamp overlap ==

:''Copied from [[Talk:Main Page]], 20:19, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

[[Image:MainPageOverlap.JPG|200px|thumb|Take a look]]

The timestamp on this talk page is overlapping with the "Your continued donations keep Wikipedia running!" that appears when not logged in. It has "display:none" in the style attribute, so I'm a bit confused about why this even appears at all... [[User:164.107.166.227|164.107.166.227]] 18:18, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

:Yes, I see this as well. It really looks rather ugly... but I don't know how to fix it. Help? [[user:Goldfritter|<font color="gold">Gold</font>]][[user talk:Goldfritter|fritter]] 16:11, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

:: Does this only appear when one is not logged in ? I don't see it now. I have seen it before and it disappears when I reload/refresh the page. Rather odd.... --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] 19:21, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
:::It's a conflict between the style class "metadata topicon" which is used to locate the date on this page and the wiki-wide begging message that is only shown when logged out. The begging message is shown with javascript with a style of "text-align:right;" in the div id="siteNotice". The result is they slap on top of each other. One or the other element needs to be rethought. --[[User:Monotonehell|Monotonehell]] 19:31, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
:::: Can we move the clock a little bit down to avoid this conflict ? --[[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] 19:41, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
::::: If we move the clock down (only on this page as it's a wiki-wide style class) it will conflict with the horizontal rule when people are logged in. The div that is visible for those not logged in adds extra space. I'm not sure what to do as everyone's browser renders a little different depending on what browser they have and how it handles fonts, not to mention personal font settings. --[[User:Monotonehell|Monotonehell]] 19:45, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

How about: <tt><nowiki><div id="coordinates">'''{{CURRENTTIME}}, {{CURRENTDAYNAME}} [[{{CURRENTMONTHNAME}} {{CURRENTDAY}}]], [[{{CURRENTYEAR}}]] ([[UTC]])'''</div></nowiki></tt>? The text will be a little smaller. Cheers, ['''[[User:Sd31415|<span style="color: black;">sd</span>]]'''] 22:07, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

== Infobox spacing ==

Would it be practical to make "margin-top: 5px;" part of the default style for Infoboxes? I know that's bad karma and all to force style on things, but it would help keep infoboxes from being too close to things; like disambig notices and templates. - [[User:RoyBoy|Roy]][[User talk:RoyBoy|'''Boy''']] <sup>[[User:RoyBoy/The 800 Club|800]]</sup> 02:12, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
:Might not the <nowiki>{{-}}</nowiki> template family do enough if used appropriately when needed? [[User:Nihiltres|Nihiltres]] 04:38, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

== question about user creation log ==

When I look at the user creation log for most users, it shows when the account was created. For instance, if I look at [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=newusers&user=Akhilleus&page=] it shows that my account was created on 28 November 2005. What does it mean when a user's log doesn't say when the account was created? Is there a way to find out when it was created? [[User:Akhilleus|--Akhilleus]] ([[User talk:Akhilleus|talk]]) 03:48, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
:Er, could you provide an example? If the creation log doesn't say when the account was created, it might mean that it wasn't (ie: you can find blank contrib, user, and user talk pages for accounts that don't exist). [[User:EVula|EVula]] <span style="color: #999;">// [[User talk:EVula|talk]] // [[User:EVula/admin|<span style="color: #366;">&#9775;</span>]] //</span> 03:50, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

:It's also possible that the user account was created before the user creation log was enabled. The [[m:Newuserlog|Newuserlog]] extension doesn't seem to have been created until August 2005. [[User talk:Mike Dillon|Mike Dillon]] 03:54, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

I don't think either one of these apply. I'm looking specifically at [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&user=Mnyakko], a user who has an edit history; it looks like he became active in summer 2006. [[User:Akhilleus|--Akhilleus]] ([[User talk:Akhilleus|talk]]) 03:56, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
:Hmm, curious... if I had to hazard a guess, I'd say that they created the account ''before'' the Newuserlog, but didn't actually use it for anything until ''after'' (or their first few contributions were deleted). [[User:EVula|EVula]] <span style="color: #999;">// [[User talk:EVula|talk]] // [[User:EVula/admin|<span style="color: #366;">&#9775;</span>]] //</span> 04:21, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
Yes, I suppose that's possible, but this user's first edits were pretty newbie-looking. I should explain what's going on: Mnyakko and another user, [[User:Zeeboid|Zeeboid]] were recently blocked for violations of [[WP:SOCK]]. I'm trying to figure out if another named user created the Mnyakko account. [[User:Akhilleus|--Akhilleus]] ([[User talk:Akhilleus|talk]]) 04:27, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

::Going by approximate UserIDs, they seem to have created the username just a bit before the log was started.
::*[[User:Splarka|Splarka]] - UserID: 230000 ''±200'' - (6 April 2005)
::*[[User:Mnyakko|Mnyakko]] - UserID: 343000 ''±200'' - (??)
::*User creation log created - (August 2005)
::*[[User:Akhilleus|Akhilleus]] - UserID: 615500 ''±200'' - (28 November 2005)
::*[[User:Zeeboid|Zeeboid]] - UserID: 1789100 ''±200'' - (13 July 2006)
::So probably they were just camping.--[[User:Splarka|Splarka]] ([[User_talk:Splarka|rant]]) 06:35, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

== Image sizes ==

"'''Specifying the width of an image can screw up the layout for some readers so much as to make the article unreadable. Wikipedia is used by people who may have very good reasons for specifying smaller, or larger images than what looks good in your browser. Since specifying an image size overrides the preferences they may have set, it should not be done without a very good reason. Essentially the guidelines say that it should only be done if shrinking the image to default size will make the image unusable.'''"
*Is it a difficult problem to fix WP's image handling routines so that browsers aren't screwed up by specifying image sizes? [[User:Paul venter|Paul venter]] 15:31, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

== [[User: Pupster21/monobook.js]] ==

I added admin-like revert to my mono book and now it won't let Pupster21 log in!
--[[User:Pupster210|Pupster210]] 19:10, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

:In that case, shouldn't we ask an admin to erase your monobook? If you agree, you could make a post at [[WP:AN/I]], or I can do it for you. [[User:Valentinian|Valentinian]] <sup>[[User_talk:Valentinian|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/Valentinian|C]]</sup> 19:16, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Please do it. I didn't know that would crash my account. I mean, it says at the [[RC patrol]] that will give you admin like reverts. --[[User:Pupster210|Pupster210]] 19:20, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

:I can't think of a way that your monobook.js would affect logging into your account. Could you elaborate on what happens when you try to log in? Error messages, etc? —[[User:Bbatsell|<span style="color:#333;font-weight:bold;">bbatsell</span>]] [[User_talk:Bbatsell|<span style="color:#C46100;font-size:0.75em;">¿?</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Bbatsell|<span style="color:#2C9191;">✍</span>]] 19:21, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

It won't go to the login successful page. It did until I added that to my monobook. --[[User:Pupster210|Pupster210]] 19:22, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

:I have blanked your monobook.js page per your request. If it is the script causing your problems then refreshing your cache should help. Not sure how this could be caused by the script though. If it turns out to be something different you can just RV my blanking. <small>[[User:HighInBC|<sup>High</sup><sub>InBC</sub>]]<sup>(Need help? [[User_talk:HighInBC|Ask me]])</sup></small> 19:23, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

I'll try. If it works I'll post with [[User:Pupster21]] --[[User:Pupster210|Pupster210]] 19:24, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Victory!!! THANKS!!!! --[[User:Pupster21|Pupster21]] 19:25, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

:Ahh, good. <small>[[User:HighInBC|<sup>High</sup><sub>InBC</sub>]]<sup>(Need help? [[User_talk:HighInBC|Ask me]])</sup></small> 19:26, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

::For future reference, disabling javascript in your browser, logging in, and removing your monobook.js file yourself is a lot more reliable; depending on your browser, your newly-blanked-by-an-admin .js file may not get reloaded on its own for quite some time. &mdash;[[User talk:Cryptic|Cryptic]] 19:28, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

::Gratz, but I wish the code had been commented out, instead of deleted, so we could diagnose the problem. [[User:PeterStJohn|Pete St.John]] 19:29, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
:::It was blanked, not deleted. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Pupster21/monobook.js&oldid=121484883 Here's] the problematic revision. &mdash;[[User talk:Cryptic|Cryptic]] 19:31, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

:I am a little confused as to how a login issue could happen to Pup, but not to everyone else. I don't see any fault with the inclusion code. <small>[[User:HighInBC|<sup>High</sup><sub>InBC</sub>]]<sup>(Need help? [[User_talk:HighInBC|Ask me]])</sup></small> 19:33, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

== Monobook.css - better rendering for .diffchange in diff's... ==

I recently proposed a better method of highlighting diff's in Monobook.css at [[MediaWiki_talk:Monobook.css#Better_rendering_for_.diffchange_in_diff.27s...|MediaWiki Talk:Monobook.css]]. It can be of great use when trying to locate what has been removed or added in a page change when it is just a period, comma, dash or other very small single character. I thought I would post it here, since it is suggested on that page that any changes be brought up here as well. Maybe make your replies/comments at the Monobook.css talk: page linked above? Thanks. --[[User:MattWright|MattWright]] ([[User talk:MattWright|talk]]) 21:37, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

== Photo won't move to right ==

In [[Badami Cave Temples]], the last image at the bottom of the article will not move to the right as told to do. I have moved it around to see if placement makes a difference, but I can't figure out what is wrong. I would appreciate any help you can provide. I'm sure it is just a stupid mistake I am overlooking. Thanks! Sincerely, [[User:Mattisse|Mattisse]] 23:08, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
:Nevermind - I figured it out. (A mistake in a reference not several sections up was affecting it.) Thanks!--[[User:Mattisse|Mattisse]] 23:16, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

== Strange lines in [[Skarloey Railway]] (viewed with IE7) ==

Just noticed a problem in [[Skarloey Railway]]. There is a heading and a spoiler warning box sandwiched between a TOCleft box and a map image (this is not the problem!). However, in IE7 the lines from the spoiler warning and the underline for the heading stretch across the page, overwriting the TOC and the map. This does not occur in IE 5.5 and IE 6, in which I created/maintained this layout for the page.

Anyone got any ideas?

[[User:EdJogg|EdJogg]] 23:32, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
*Weird lines in IE7 for me, none in Firefox. I have no idea why, just confirming it's a real problem. [[User:Nardman1|Nardman1]] 23:48, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

The Firefox rendering is most likely correct, but in any case I spaced out the text so there is no longer a problem. —[[User:Remember the dot|Remember the dot]] <sup>([[User talk:Remember the dot|talk]])</sup> 03:22, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

==Inputbox==
Does the "editintro=" parameter work for comments added to an existing page using the inputbox function? The [[Help:Inputbox]] page seems to suggest it does, but I can't get it to work. <font color="maroon">[[User:Mr.Z-man|Mr.Z-man]]</font>'''<small>[[User talk:Mr.Z-man|talk]]</small>''<font color="navy" face="cursive">[[Special:Contributions/Mr.Z-man|¢]]</font>''''' 01:06, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
:Never mind, I misread. All resolved. <font color="maroon">[[User:Mr.Z-man|Mr.Z-man]]</font>'''<small>[[User talk:Mr.Z-man|talk]]</small>''<font color="navy" face="cursive">[[Special:Contributions/Mr.Z-man|¢]]</font>''''' 05:19, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

== Linking to an article with a slash in the title ==

If you're outside the main namespace, how can you link to an article with a leading slash? By default, the leading slash causes the link to be interpreted as a subpage of the current page, e.g. [[/etc/network/interfaces]]. <nowiki>[[:en:/etc/network/interfaces]]</nowiki> (gives [[:en:/etc/network/interfaces]]) is one (hackish) way of doing it, are there any others? See also [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ifdown]], where we're trying to figure out how to get this to behave with {{tl|la}}. Thanks! [[User:CaliforniaAliBaba|cab]] 02:24, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
: The leading colon is the proper way to do it. <code><nowiki>[[:/etc/network/interfaces]]</nowiki></code> ([[:/etc/network/interfaces]]) should work as well. [[User:Titoxd|Tito<span style="color:#008000;">xd</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Titoxd|?!?]] - [[WP:FAC|cool stuff]])</sup> 02:25, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
:: Thanks for the quick reply. Based on [[m:Help:Parser function]], I guess there's no way to strip leading colons? Just wondering since I'm trying to figure out if there's any way to fix {{tl|la}}/{{tl|lx}} to deal with this; e.g. <nowiki>{{la|:/etc/network/interfaces}}</nowiki> doesn't quite work, gives:
::: {{la|:/etc/network/interfaces}}
:: Cheers, [[User:CaliforniaAliBaba|cab]] 02:43, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
::: Never mind, I guess [[m:StringFunctions]] is what I want, except they're not installed over here. So I suppose no solution for now. Cheers, [[User:CaliforniaAliBaba|cab]] 02:56, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

== Did you mean...? ==

I'd love to see Wikipedia with a "did you mean...? feature on the search engine.

R. Morris
Valencia, Spain

:[http://www.google.com/custom?domains=en.wikipedia.org&sitesearch=en.wikipedia.org Google Search on Wikipedia] does that. See: [[User:John Broughton/Editor's Index to Wikipedia#Sea]] for more search options. You might also want to try searching Wikipedia with [[Clusty]], which has a [http://wiki.clusty.com/ Wikipedia search option] now. --[[User:Teratornis|Teratornis]] 17:52, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

::If you had read the FAQ section above, you would have known that Wikipedia does have spell checking as a feature, but that it has been disabled because of the strain it would place on the servers. '''''<font color="darkblue">[[User:Harryboyles|Harryboyles]]</font>''''' 12:31, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

==Deleting a chapter==
Is there a way to delete whole chapters in a long article, without having to go line by line? I'm trying to fix a long article part of which must go to Wikipedia, part to Wiktionary.[[User:Makaokalani|Makaokalani]] 12:09, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

:This question is difficult to understand, because [[WP:LAYOUT]] says nothing about "chapters" in Wikipedia articles. Perhaps you refer to large sections. What browser and operating system are you using? The ones I use let me select large blocks of text with the mouse, and then cut them to the clipboard or delete them. It's also possible to delete a whole section quickly: click the edit link for the section, then right-click in the edit window, select "select all", press the delete key. If you need to make large-scale edits that are inconvenient to do in a browser, copy the whole article into an external editor, then paste back the result. --[[User:Teratornis|Teratornis]] 17:48, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

== Links ==

I'm just wondering how you can change what inter-wiki links say, yet still lead to the same place e.g: To make [[Buckden Towers]] just 'the tower', yet still lead to the Buckden Towers article. [[User:J S Firefox|J S Firefox]] 09:47, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

:Use the pipe character, e.g. <nowiki>[[Buckden Towers|the tower]]</nowiki> produces [[Buckden Towers|the tower]]. [[User:Jayden54|Jayden54]] 12:00, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

:And if you want to learn more about this syntax, have a look at [[m:Help:Piped link]]. [[User:Jayden54|Jayden54]] 12:02, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

::Thanks man, that helped a lot! :D [[User:J S Firefox|J S Firefox]] 13:57, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
*That's not an [[Wikipedia:Interwiki link|Interwiki link]] :) - [[User:MacGyverMagic|Mgm]]|[[User talk:MacGyverMagic|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 11:14, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

== Firefox issues ==

I'm not sure if this is the right forum for discussion, but I wonder if there is any specific project aimed at resolving issues between different browsers showing templates etc. differently. For example, [[:Template:Area|this template]] is practically illegible in FF but fine in MSIE. I want to have a go at resolving it, but wonder if there is a place where I can get assistance? <div>— [[User:Superbfc|<span style="color:#FF4500;font-weight:bold;">superbfc</span>]] <small>[ [[User_talk:Superbfc|<span style="color:#00008B">talk</span>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Superbfc|<span style="color:#C71585">cont</span>]] ]</small> — <em style="font-size:10px;">11:19, 12 April 2007 (UTC)</div></em>
::It seems to be resolved now - somebody had removed a parameter which was redundant in MSIE, but required for Mozilla. <div>— [[User:Superbfc|<span style="color:#FF4500;font-weight:bold;">superbfc</span>]] <small>[ [[User_talk:Superbfc|<span style="color:#00008B">talk</span>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Superbfc|<span style="color:#C71585">cont</span>]] ]</small> — <em style="font-size:10px;">16:24, 12 April 2007 (UTC)</div></em>

== Font help ==

Why did the font change all of a sudden? Everything looks weird! --[[User:Smokizzy|Smokizzy]] 18:54, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
:Did you accidentally hold down CTRL when moving your mouse's scroller wheel? That increases/decreases font sizes in web-browsers <div>— [[User:Superbfc|<span style="color:#FF4500;font-weight:bold;">superbfc</span>]] <small>[ [[User_talk:Superbfc|<span style="color:#00008B">talk</span>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Superbfc|<span style="color:#C71585">cont</span>]] ]</small> — <em style="font-size:10px;">22:11, 12 April 2007 (UTC)</div></em>
::No, The font itself is different, and the settings for my browser show no change is the font settings. --[[User:Smokizzy|Smokizzy]] 22:25, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
:::I have no idea - is this on every page? It could be that your [[monobook]] (your 'skin' settings) is somehow corrupted, perhaps by a bad syntax on a page which has rendered an error which has not been resolved. If this means absolutely nothing to you, though, I'm sorry! Just a stab in the dark <div>— [[User:Superbfc|<span style="color:#FF4500;font-weight:bold;">superbfc</span>]] <small>[ [[User_talk:Superbfc|<span style="color:#00008B">talk</span>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Superbfc|<span style="color:#C71585">cont</span>]] ]</small> — <em style="font-size:10px;">22:32, 12 April 2007 (UTC)</div></em>

:Did you try [[WP:BYPASS|clearing your browser's cache]]? —[[user:EncMstr|EncMstr]] 22:36, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
::::It appers to only affect the "monobook" and "chick" skins. I'm now using the "Cologne Blue" skin, and everything is fine. Where can I get more help for this problem? --[[User:Smokizzy|Smokizzy]] 22:48, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::I would start [[Help:User style|here]]. A bit technical, but I don't know where else <div>— [[User:Superbfc|<span style="color:#FF4500;font-weight:bold;">superbfc</span>]] <small>[ [[User_talk:Superbfc|<span style="color:#00008B">talk</span>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Superbfc|<span style="color:#C71585">cont</span>]] ]</small> — <em style="font-size:10px;">22:56, 12 April 2007 (UTC)</div></em>
Never mind. Turns out I had messed with the fonts folder right before the problem started. Used System Restore, now everything works like a charm. Thank you guys for your help. Cheers. ;) --[[User:Smokizzy|Smokizzy]] 01:13, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

== Copied from [[Wikipedia:Help desk|Help desk]] ==

Copied the following here, because the devs may be interested, and I don't think they read the Help desk... [[User:Titoxd|Tito<span style="color:#008000;">xd</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Titoxd|?!?]] - [[WP:FAC|cool stuff]])</sup> 19:32, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

=== en.wikipedia.org dns problem ===

Dear wikipedia!

Please review situation with your zone file wikipedia.org especially in part of
en.wikipedia.org.

Your current practice:
vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv
en.wikipedia.org. 3600 IN CNAME rr.wikimedia.org.
rr.wikimedia.org. 600 IN CNAME rr.knams.wikimedia.org.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Multilevel redirect 'A' request is poor and do not improve reliability,
more useful using easy 'A' record for manage moving webservers between IP, if need.

Some time I do not resolve en.wikipedia.org, see for instance:
host -v en.wikipedia.org 145.97.39.158
Trying "en.wikipedia.org"
Using domain server:
Name: 145.97.39.158
Address: 145.97.39.158#53
Aliases:
Host en.wikipedia.org not found: 2(SERVFAIL)
Received 34 bytes from 145.97.39.158#53 in 44 ms

Best regards <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[Special:Contributions/84.237.168.50|84.237.168.50]] ([[User talk:84.237.168.50|talk]]) 19:28, 12 April 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->

:rr.wikimedia.org is a virtual hostname for geographic load balancing. It resolves to rr.pmtpa, rr.knams or rr.yaseo depending on which is closest. This has nothing to do with the brief downtime in DNS service today, which was due to a configuration error in the wikipedia.org zone file. -- [[User:Tim Starling|Tim Starling]] 21:33, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

==Wikisource link==
The [[wikisource:Main Page|wikisource:]] prefix leads to the English [[Wikisource]]. However, is there an interwiki link prefix that leads to a page on the multilingual wikisource (eg, [http://wikisource.org/wiki/Tibi%2C_Redemptor_omnium this page])? [[User:Gracenotes|<font color="#960">Grace</font><font color="#000">notes</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Gracenotes|<font color="#960">T</font>]]</sup> § 20:46, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
:[[oldwikisource:Tibi, Redemptor omnium]]. [[meta:Interwiki map]] seems to be the canonical list. &mdash;[[User talk:Cryptic|Cryptic]] 21:03, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
::Ah, I thought I saw that page somewhere! Now bookmarked. Thank ye. [[User:Gracenotes|<font color="#960">Grace</font><font color="#000">notes</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Gracenotes|<font color="#960">T</font>]]</sup> § 22:04, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

== Use of the + tab or "new post" link versus using an existing section link ==

I almost always use the + tab when adding new sections to talk pages, but I wondered whether doing so always succeeds in avoiding edit conflicts when someone else is contributing to the last existing section. Recently, I have been on the receiving end of a few edit conflicts on the Help Desk when answering the last question (thus having to go back, copy my post, refresh the page and try again) and in every case, it was because someone had posted a new question. Of course, I can't say for sure that they failed to use the + tab or "post" link, but I suspect that this might be the case. I would like to post a polite and helpful suggestion on the user's talk page when this occurs, but I don't want to do that if they did in fact use the correct method. [[User:Adrian_M._H.|<font color="#4B0082">'''Adrian'''</font>]] [[User_talk:Adrian_M._H.|<font color="#4B0082">'''M. H.'''</font>]] 20:56, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

You might be able to tell by the way the headings are set up. The + button to add new posts always sets them up the same way.<pre>
== Heading ==

Text</pre>
There are always apaces between the <nowiki>==</nowiki> and the heading title, just as there is always a space between the heading and text. <font color="maroon">[[User:Mr.Z-man|Mr.Z-man]]</font>'''<small>[[User talk:Mr.Z-man|talk]]</small>''<font color="navy" face="cursive">[[Special:Contributions/Mr.Z-man|¢]]</font>''''' 22:33, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
:I haven't noticed any differences (but wasn't looking out for them). Thanks for the tip. [[User:Adrian_M._H.|<font color="#4B0082">'''Adrian'''</font>]] [[User_talk:Adrian_M._H.|<font color="#4B0082">'''M. H.'''</font>]] 22:37, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
::A more telltale sign might be the edit summary. If you created a section called "Kittens", your edit summary would be the text "Kittens", with nothing else after that. (Those that create sections with + have no choice with regards to edit summaries.) Combined with other factors, you may have a good guess. [[User:Gracenotes|<font color="#960">Grace</font><font color="#000">notes</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Gracenotes|<font color="#960">T</font>]]</sup> § 20:59, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
::Ah, with regards to the help desk question: you know, whenever you get an edit conflict, the edit box containing your intended version is down at the very bottom of the page, after a diff between the two versions. So you only need to copy the text from the second textbox to the first, and click save. [[User:Gracenotes|<font color="#960">Grace</font><font color="#000">notes</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Gracenotes|<font color="#960">T</font>]]</sup> § 21:02, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
:The submitter of this question, [[User:Adrian M. H.|Adrian M. H.]], surmised that one could avoid edit conflicts by using the + tab. I don't believe this is true. (The '+' button gives you the illusion you are editing a 'sub-article', but there is one single edit history for the entire article, so the sections don't get saved back to the database independently). [[User:EdJohnston|EdJohnston]] 00:58, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

== Patrol log ==

What exactly is the Patrol Log for? [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=patrol&user=&page=] <font color="maroon">[[User:Mr.Z-man|Mr.Z-man]]</font>'''<small>[[User talk:Mr.Z-man|talk]]</small>''<font color="navy" face="cursive">[[Special:Contributions/Mr.Z-man|¢]]</font>''''' 22:50, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
: See [[:m:Help:Patrolled edit|Help:Patrolled edit]]. It is disabled here, but have a look at, let's say, [[:wikt:Special:Log/Patrol]]... [[User:Titoxd|Tito<span style="color:#008000;">xd</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Titoxd|?!?]] - [[WP:FAC|cool stuff]])</sup> 22:55, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

== Oldpages ==

What has to be done to get special pages updated? The one I'd like to see updated is [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Ancientpages Special:Ancientpags]. Thanks. --[[User:Montchav|Montchav]] 23:11, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
: [[:foundation:Fundraising|Donating cash to buy new servers]]. These queries are not being made due to performance concerns. [[User:Titoxd|Tito<span style="color:#008000;">xd</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Titoxd|?!?]] - [[WP:FAC|cool stuff]])</sup> 04:25, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
::Titoxd has pretty much stated it all. The Wikimedia Board of Trustees has approved a resolution to purchase more servers ([http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_budget/2007/Q1/hardware/purchase_1 link]) which once it comes to fruition, could mean that we are able to enable these features. However money does not grow on trees and we will always need more donations. '''''<font color="darkblue">[[User:Harryboyles|Harryboyles]]</font>''''' 08:19, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

==Problems uploading .svg images==
I have created some images using inkscape and I save them as both plain .svg and inkscape.svg but neither uploads. I get no error message, but when I go to look at the image, I get the red X. Any advice? And if this is not the right place to get help for this, please suggest another forum. Thanks in afdvance. [[User:Argos'Dad|Argos&#39;Dad]] 18:48, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
:I took a look at [[:Image:SimaVasileionEllados.svg]] and it appears to embed a PNG file located at C:\Documents and Settings\Steve &amp; Brian\My Documents\Steve's Pictures\Wikimedia\SimaVasileion4.PNG. Since we don't have access to your hard drive, it doesn't work that well. ;) As for how to fix that, I wouldn't begin to know how to tell you except to just upload the PNG directly. --[[User:BigDT|BigDT]] 01:26, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

:You need to use Inkscape's "Trace Bitmap" function if you want the PNG to actually be converted to SVG. It looks like all you did was import the image which left the reference to the file on your local disk. Another option is to use "Effects -> Images -> Embed All Images", but then your SVG is not really a scalable vector graphic, since it contains an embedded [[raster image]]. [[User talk:Mike Dillon|Mike Dillon]] 03:01, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

== Skin ==

I want to alter the monobook skin (for personal use) to resemble the ones used on fr and es Wikipedia. Please see more detailed question at the [[Wikipedia:Help_desk#Skin|Help desk]] and answer there. Any help is greatly appreciated. - [[User:MacGyverMagic|Mgm]]|[[User talk:MacGyverMagic|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 11:12, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

== articles for deletion ==

Hi: Today's Articles for deletion log [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Log/2007_April_13] is somehow munged up. I (and a few others before me) added new articles and they're stuck inside an archive box for a different discussion. I can't figure out what the formatting problem is. Could someone help? [[User:NathanBeach|<span style="color:#08457E"><font face="courier">--nathanbeach</font></span>]] 15:20, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
: for example, Mark Driscoll, Gavin Spittle, etc (at the very bottom) shouldn't be inside that box... [[User:NathanBeach|<span style="color:#08457E"><font face="courier">--nathanbeach</font></span>]] 15:21, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
:: Thanks to whoever fixed it... [[User:NathanBeach|<span style="color:#08457E"><font face="courier">--nathanbeach</font></span>]] 15:30, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

== Talk Page Glitch ==

Can somebody take a look at [[User talk:Jeffhardyfan*17]] and see why it is acting screwed up. When you click each edit section, it opens actually opens the section below it. When you click edit section for the last section, it gives you a new section (i.e. an empty section). Is this a system glitch or what? [[User:Chrislk02|-- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider)]] 17:02, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
:There's probably something in that massive welcome kludge which is causing the problem. I don't want to tangle with trying to resolve that, though. Maybe delete the whole welcome? [[User:Corvus cornix|Corvus cornix]] 17:19, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
::Just swapped it for a straight {{tl|welcome}} message; Bobs your uncle and Fannys your aunt - problem solved! [[User:Ryan Postlethwaite|Ryan Postlethwaite]] [[User_talk:Ryan Postlethwaite|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Ryan_Postlethwaite|contribs]] 17:24, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

==Rtl-lang, please review==
please note my comments in the "Usage" section at {{tl|rtl-lang}}. Unless I am badly mistaken, the template is based on the flawed assumption that the "dir=rtl" parameter is needed for any string in a rtl-script, while in reality, it is only required for very esoteric stuff like Arabic letters as symbols in math or similar. If I am correct, the template should probably be deprecated, and a bot should be sent in to replace all instances with simple {{tl|lang}}. [[User:Dbachmann|dab]] <small>[[User_talk:Dbachmann|(𒁳)]]</small> 17:45, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

==Wikisource links backlog==
This has probably already been brought up, but there are several links to [[Wikisource]] that are broken. That's because pages in http://wikisource.org where deleted and moved to http://en.wikisource.org, http://fr.wikisource.org, http://de.wikisource.org, or others. More obscure languages have stayed at the subdomain-less Wikisource. A general backlog of non-functional links is available [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALinksearch&target=*.wikisource.org&limit=500 here]; if anyone wants to help, he/she may replace broken Wikisource links with [[WP:INTERWIKI|interwiki prefixes]], or the [[Template:Wikisource|Wikisource template]]. [[User:Gracenotes|<font color="#960">Grace</font><font color="#000">notes</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Gracenotes|<font color="#960">T</font>]]</sup> § 20:54, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
:[[User:MaxSem/Wikisource|Here]] is filtered and alphabetically sorted list. I'll start from the bottom. [[User:MaxSem|Max<font size="+1">''S''</font>em]] 08:32, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
::Heh, why didn't I think about doing that? I actually started with the goal of converting Wikisource external links to interwiki links, but found this problem, which is more immediate. [[User:Gracenotes|<font color="#960">Grace</font><font color="#000">notes</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Gracenotes|<font color="#960">T</font>]]</sup> § 17:35, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
::In addition, some links may be valid, to more obscure languages. Those could be prefixed by "oldwikisource:", methinks. [[User:Gracenotes|<font color="#960">Grace</font><font color="#000">notes</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Gracenotes|<font color="#960">T</font>]]</sup> § 17:36, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

== Supressing reference tags ==

I've ran into a reader that finds the completion of each sentence with a link to a reference harder to read. As the best articles have the most reference links, they appear the hardest to read for that person. Would there be a way to add a feature that allows users to selectively suppress the reference links for an article as they read it? <span style="font: small-caps 1em Optima">[[User_talk:Sanchom|Sancho]]</span> 08:02, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

:This might be possible. See [[Help:User style]]. You can make things go away with [[Help:User style#Non-display]]. Viewing the page source in a [[Web browser]] shows references have this in their [[HTML]] code: <code>class="reference"</code>. You might be able to set that classname so it does not display. --[[User:Teratornis|Teratornis]] 21:03, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

== Toggle sections in infoboxes ==

[copied from help desk]

Is there a way to create infoboxes with toggleable sections? I want to achieve that, so infoboxes will be able to contain more information, without taking more space. For example, a politician infobox, could contain all one's previous public offices, with only the 1 or 2 most important ones expanded by default.<br />
[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Geva_Zeichner/Sandbox&oldid=122499615 Here's] a template I'm working on for politicians. It allows for unlimited offices to be put in. That creates the need of hiding the unwanted offices by clicking the title of the office.<br />
I presume JS can't be integrated to the template in order to achieve that. Correct me if I'm wrong. [[User:Geva Zeichner|Geva Zeichner]] 14:57, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
:JS can be used in some form in templates (such as in [[Template:Hidden]] for example), but I am not familiar with the method. You could ask at the Village Pump (technical) help desk (link at the top of this page). [[Help:Template]] is worth a read, but only gives fairly basic info. [[User:Adrian_M._H.|<font color="#4B0082">'''Adrian'''</font>]] [[User_talk:Adrian_M._H.|<font color="#4B0082">'''M. H.'''</font>]] 16:56, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

[/copied from help desk]

::I've now tried using the [[Wikipedia:NavFrame]] thing, but with only some success. It works but the div finds its way outside of the infobox. Use of style="float: none" didn't help. I've also tried using the collapsible tables, but cascading the table breaks the larger table it's in. [[User:Geva Zeichner|Geva Zeichner]] 09:53, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
:::Look at the infobox at [[Neon Genesis Evangelion]]. Are those [show/hide] links what you're looking for? –[[User talk:Pomte|Pomte]] 10:37, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

== Special:Randomredirect/Image ==

Why does clicking [[Special:Randomredirect/Image]] sometimes lead me to the [[Main Page]], of all pages? Is it my browser, or is MediaWiki doing something funny? :-) On average when I hit [[Special:Randomredirect/Image]] ten times, it will bring me to the Main Page at least once. Go figure... <span class="user-sig user-Resurgent-insurgent"><i>&mdash;[[User:Resurgent insurgent|Resurgent insurgent]] <small>[[2007-04-14]]&nbsp;12:05[[ISO 8601|Z]]</small></i></span>

:It just happened to me as well, so I'm inclined to believe that it's MediaWiki doing something funny, and not your browser. I'm running Firefox 2.0.0.3 on Windows XP SP2. [[User:Jayden54|Jayden54]] 12:30, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

::I just got it for the first time on [[Special:Randomredirect/Category]] as well. Still have no idea why. <span class="user-sig user-Resurgent-insurgent"><i>&mdash;[[User:Resurgent insurgent|Resurgent insurgent]] <small>[[2007-04-14]]&nbsp;12:50[[ISO 8601|Z]]</small></i></span>

==Strange corrupted Diff==
[[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Noah&diff=122776534&oldid=122775449]] This shows as a corrupted diff brining in text from several months ago. What is causing this? [[User:SchmuckyTheCat|SchmuckyTheCat]] 17:20, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

== Problems posting messages on talk page ==

There is a problem when I post messages on someone's talk page. Here the problem.

===Example===
Test test test test test test test. [[User:Jet123|Jet123]] [[User talk:Jet123| (Talk)]] 21:08, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Test Test test test test test test. [[User:Jet123|Jet123]] [[User talk:Jet123| (Talk)]] 21:08, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

===That is the problem===
When I do this, the text looks like HTML. Maybe my account is like that. [[User:Jet123|Jet123]] [[User talk:Jet123| (Talk)]] 21:08, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

== Problems posting messages on talk page ==

There is a problem when I post messages.
===Here is the problem===
Test test test test test test test test. [[User:Jet123|Jet123]] [[User talk:Jet123| (Talk)]] 21:19, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Test test test test test test test test test. [[User:Jet123|Jet123]] [[User talk:Jet123| (Talk)]] 21:19, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

That is the problem. Maybe my account is broken. [[User:Jet123|Jet123]] [[User talk:Jet123| (Talk)]] 21:19, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

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