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2022 Punjab Legislative Assembly election

• Alluburam (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
• AN3 case about Alluburam from last March

Despite your warning, User:Alluburam is reverting our users edits example: 2022 Punjab Legislative Assembly election , I am so tired of reverting again his several users have been affected by him. Kindly please take necessary actions. regards Nahtrav (talk)

The page has now been fully protected for a week by another admin. If you see continuing problems consider opening up a new report at WP:AN3. EdJohnston (talk) 22:08, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

He is continuing his reverting in the 2022 Punjab Legislative Assembly election page you can see from the page's edit history, the whole article has been transformed into Alluburam's imaginary favourite article. He is just reverting other users edits without any summary or reason. Also Have a glance at his talk page and see several users compaining and opposing him for their content deletion.His actions may led to discouragement of Experienced wikipedia users which is nothing but hunting down of Wikipedia's Policies. Please consider this problem as soon as possible Nahtrav (talk) And also Why I am reporting to you is I already have reported him in edit warring WP:AN3, but because of unknowing the way in filling up the details there, no action has been taken, So I request you to help me in reporting this issue --Nahtrav (talk) 10:24, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Alluburam

• 2022 Punjab Legislative Assembly election (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi EdJohnston. I saw Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Alluburam and was in the process of posting something there when it was closed. It's clear that Alluburam and Alluburam 2 are the same editor. I don't believe there's a need for two accounts based upon what's written in WP:MULTIPLE, and the fact that Alluburam 2 is being used to continue the disputes taking place at articles with edits like this and this is disconcerting. The issue, however, goes well beyond the claim of WP:SOCK and involves more editors than Alluburam. There's been edit warring going on at 2022 Punjab Legislative Assembly election quite sometime now between Alluburam and other editors, and none of those involved seem to be willing to try and sort this out on the article's talk page. Alluburam has posted on the talk page before; he knows it's there, but has decided not to use it in this case. There's also nothing on 2022 talk page (or at Talk:List of current members of the Rajya Sabha as a matter of fact) from Dev Adhi; so, they're not trying to discuss. The IPs that show up might not know about the talk pages or may know and just don't care. Basically, all involved seem to have decided that edit warring is the way to go here and that's going to likely continue until an administrator steps in and takes action. If you look at User talk:Alluburam and Talk:2022 Punjab Legislative Assembly election, you'll see that other editors have been expressing concerns about Alluburam's overall editing approach for some time now. You yourself previously blocked Alluburam back in April; so, maybe this now is a case of WP:CIR or WP:IDHT. There are also similar concerns (though not as many) being expressed at User talk:Dev Adhi. A discussion about all of these things could be started at WP:ANI or WP:AN3, but I'm wondering if there's another way to try and resolve things. The articles could probably be page protected to stop the IPs, but that won't really stop the registered accounts. Do you think a "last warning" to all involved from an administrator (you perhaps) will have any effect here, or is this ultimately something that's going to need to be resolved at one of the ANs? -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:31, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

My account is Alluburam. Alluburam is created by someone else with my name Alluburam (talk) 02:29, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Don't lie Alluburam 2 is yours you abused me from your second account Dev Adhi (talk) 02:52, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

The SPI case is ongoing and I've posted something there. If problems continue after that SPI gets closed I think one or more edit warring blocks may be needed. In the meantime, do you see a case for semiprotection of 2022 Punjab Legislative Assembly election? And, is there a reason to alert User:Alluburam to the sanctions under WP:ARBIPA? The frequent opponent of Alluburam, User:Dev Adhi, has already been notified of those sanctions. I have not yet determined what the dispute on this article is about. Your only post on Talk seems to be about the style of headings, though it looks like you are correct on the style points. If it's actually a long-term fight about page styling I can see how that would be tiresome. EdJohnston (talk) 22:47, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

The article has already been WP:GOLD protected by El C per a RPP made by another editor; so, that should take care of edit warring for the time being. My only edits to the article have been related to formatting, non-free content, etc.; so, I'm not really sure what the disagreement is and why the edit warring has been going on. Most of those involved aren't really leaving edit summaries, and when they do they seem to be more about other editors than anything else. I'm assuming that there is some disagreement over the content and how to display such content, but nobody seems willing to clarify what that is; instead, they just seem to be reverting each other back and forth. I don't know much about ARBIPA, but it should apply to all editors equally in principle, shouldn't it? If that means 1RR is in effect, then many of those involved kicked through that door quite awhile ago. Many have also been pushing 3RR as well. It seems that political articles in general often are contentious, but his might even be more the case here because it appears to be an article about a currently ongoing election. Maybe the thing to do here would be to keep the article fully protected until the election is over and give those involved a chance to work through whatever disagreements they have though article talk page discussion. If they feel some edit needs to be made asap, they can use the talk page to propose it and then an admin can make the change if a consensus has been established to do so. There are a couple of empty sections and empty tables in the current version of the article and maybe it would be better to hide these for the time being until they can be sorted out on the article talk page. Perhaps the members of Wikipedia:WikiProject Punjab and Wikipedia:WikiProject Indian politics could help sort out whatever disagreements there are between these editors? -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:00, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

I see that other admins are attending to the SPI report, the content of which I am unfamiliar, but a quick note about 1RR. WP:ARBIND pages are not subject to 1RR by default. That action has to be authorized (and logged) by an admin, with a mainspace Ds/editnotice attached. I'd also point out that the page in question doesn't even have a Ds/talk notice that informs editors of the DS in question. I'll do that momentarily. HTH! El_C 10:54, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification El C. It looks like the article was directly created in the mainspace back in 2020 by a different editor, who most likely wasn't aware of ARBIND, and most of the main contributers probably also weren't aware as well; perhaps that explains why nobody bothered to ad a DS/edit notice until now. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:14, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

Is meteoclub.gr a reliable source?

/* Original title was: Hello, I have a question about a Wikipedia Rule. */

• Weatherextremes (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
• https://meteoclub.gr

Hello, I have a question regarding Wikipedia:COI based on Wikipedia:Self promotion.

I found an user who's posting his own blog posts from a website (which is a forum/blog, made by himself) as "reliable sources" in many of the articles he edits. I think this is obviously not reliable but not even valid as a source itself. Is this valid on Wikipedia or there is any kind of procedure to be done? I am asking this first before doing any action, because I don't know exactly how to proceed. I saw you on the Active Administrators list, I hope you can answer me if it's possible. Thanks! --TechnicianGB (talk) 14:03, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Per WP:SPS a self-created blog would not be reliable unless it was created by person who was an established subject-matter expert. If you can post some examples here I will take a look. EdJohnston (talk) 14:16, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello Ed, sure, here you go: 1 2 3 just to put three examples. Now compare the source of these edits to this data coming from the same website website this data here, albeit being a blog entry has an official source and it's just re-posting the official data.

On the other hand, the 3 examples from above, are also user-made blog entries coming from non-official Greek weather data (neither HNMS nor even the National Observatory of Athens) but some kind of self made averages containing few years of data (climate standards are at least of 20 years of data) and if you notice under the "source" tag in these entries, there is just some bold text, as compared to this example (which I have mentioned earlier) where the source is clearly reliable and proved in another website.

Also, it's obviously self-made content as there are two proofs, the user editing these articles on the Wiki has a specifical username in that website (notice how the other blog entries are made by other nicknames) and also this same user uploaded to commons some of the pictures he has posted in these blog entries. The website itself may not be a blog, but it has blog/forum self user-made entries and the proof is right above the start of the page where the entries can be written by any member of the site as in Wikipedia.

In fact, the who we are section of that website (use Google Translate) says it clearly: The website was created on March 24, 2007 through a love for the weather and meteorology. The purpose of the website was and is to unite the amateur meteorologists of Greece in a website, where they will share in real time their thoughts, feelings, reports and weather forecasts / estimates. and this user is not in the administrators list, it's just an user who is able to write entries in the forum/blog section of the website, which is clearly stated in their "who we are" section as an "amateur website to share thoughts and feelings" so that's obviously not a source to take data from, as they're user-written entires, unless if they have official/reliable sources as in the example posted above.

Now, what's the problem with that site and Wikipedia? No problem, as most of the data is backed up by proper sources. But some of them aren't. And the things which I have said above are written by the user weatherextremes in Wikipedia, he has been warned before for the data he uses, as well as some of his edits have been reverted, but he keeps adding it back saying "it's a reliable source" when in fact it's a blog/forum entry written by someone (most likely himself) in that meteoclub.gr website. As well as the Commons uploaded files being the same as in some of the articles is another proof that he's the one writing some of the pages in that site to later use it as a "source" on Wikipedia. I don't have any problem with this user and he adds quite a lot of useful data to Wikipedia, but some of his edits include these self-made blog entries which are clearly unreliable and unsourced. Can you warn him on his talk page? As he doesn't seem to care too much about user warnings. You can see it in his talk page history as he's constantly blanking his own talk page, I have warned him for the same reasons in 2019, other users have done it either in his talk page or in the edit summaries when reverting/deleting his edits but he keeps doing the same again. --TechnicianGB (talk) 02:06, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello, first of all meteoclub is not a blog but one of the most respectable websites in Greece in terms of meteorology. Secondly, I have nothing to do with the website nor the website is mine. I do not understand why TechnicianGB suggests that I can not use the website as source. Please contact meteoclub for further information and clarification but I can declare that I do not have ownership of the website. I reference whatever I see relevant for an article and it is an important source for Greek meteorology which helps us add significant knowledge. Weatherextremes (talk) 10:55, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

@Weatherextremes: Hello, like I said above I don't have any problem with you and most of your edits are ok, the problem are few of them which use clearly unreliable made-up data from meteoclub. Meteoclub as it says in it's own "who we are" page, as I shown above, is an "Greek amateur meteorologists site where they can share their thoughts, feelings and personal weather reports" written by the own site's administrator. It's not a blog, but the sources you use are blog entries written by an user named "A-F" (I won't write his name but it's easily to prove) in the "sources" paragraph there is just bold text. Meteoclub is not reliable as it's own user-made data which can be written by any user on there. I have shown already an example of a properly sourced meteoclub entry like the Downtown Athens 1991-2020 data which uses an official Greek source, but the ones for example for Kasos or Lindos, amongst others, are simple short time made-up data with no sources to be proven. And a blog entry with numbers is not reliable by any means for Wikipedia. Also I don't know if you're the one posting them, but you have uploaded some pics in Wikipedia Commons claiming "self-work" and the same pics appear in the meteoclub.gr site added by that user named "A-F" as I have shown with links above as well.

In any case, the official Greek HNMS climate data for the entirety of Greece + islands is shown here: http://climatlas.hnms.gr/sdi/?lang=EN which differs enormously from what you post on meteoclub. Please stop using that site with personal blog entries because it's not a reliable source, unless if it's citing a major reliable source such as the "Downtown Athens 1991-2020" data. If you want to post clearly non-reliable things, use your personal sandbox. Thank you. --TechnicianGB (talk) 13:34, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

I do not post anything on Meteoclub. I am not even a member. I do use though pics, and articles of the website as reference. They are subject matter experts most of the writers over there. Physicists, geologists and so on. In fact one writer is a meteorologist (there are more meteorologists as far as I am aware) who is presenting the weather in a Greek nationwide TV network. So I do not post clearly non-reliable things as you suggest but always reference Meteoclub when I post something. Btw all the Meteoclub articles that I use have proper reference list. I don't know what you are on about honestly Weatherextremes (talk) 15:44, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

@Weatherextremes: Please stop, you're at one revert from breaking the three revert rule in the page Kasos and hardiness zone you keep adding the same as well in the page Hardiness Zone again adding that non-official and unreliable data. Even if we would take it as reliable, Hardiness Zones aren't calculated by only 7 years of data. The source is not HNMS and that specific page at the end where it says "sources" it just shows some bold text. Unlike the Downtown Athens page which shows as a source the website "magazine.noa.gr" and it's substantiated. Do you understand the difference now? Both are user-made blog entries, but one has sources to back up the data and the other one has just plain text which proves nothing. The user @Average Portuguese Joe: has pointed out the same before and you also didn't care about his words but just re-added your deleted edits.

Example, Downtown Athens has a provable source: https://www.meteoclub.gr/themata/egkyklopaideia/to-klima-ths-athinas which is " http://magazine.noa.gr/archives/4446 " but Kasos (among others) has only bold text: https://www.meteoclub.gr/themata/egkyklopaideia/perioxes-me-tous-hpioterous-xeimones-stin-ellada this is not reliable and unprovable, moreso when it's added by registered users in that site, no matter if it's you or another person, that's a simple entry that can be written by anyone just as I'm writing this on Wikipedia. --TechnicianGB (talk) 16:25, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

Warning issued in his own talk page Weatherextremes (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) he's at one revert from breaking the 3RR in both Hardiness zones and Kasos pages. Instead of trying to reach consensus and to explain his actions here or in the own pages talk page, trying to prove his source is reliable, he justs comes to write the same again without trying to prove his source is reliable.

When as I shown above in the own "meteoclub.gr" site with 2 different articles, one of them has a substantiated source and the other one just has some bold text where it says "sources" and just as said before, in the own TOS of that site it says "it's a meeting place for amateur meteorologists" but he again reverts saying it's official reliable data... I won't revert again as I've done it also twice and I don't want to be breaking the three revert rule. --TechnicianGB (talk) 16:39, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

In my opinion, User:Weatherextremes would be risking a block if they again revert at Hardiness zone as they did here, restoring material about Kasos and hardiness zone 11b to the article which is sourced only to meteoclub.gr. Such a claim would need a link to a WP:Reliable source that actually puts Kasos in zone 11b. The opinion expressed on a group blog such as meteoclub.gr wouldn't settle a question of fact about a hardiness zone. If User:Weatherextremes believes that meteoclub.gr should be considered a reliable source, consider proposing that at WP:Reliable sources/Noticeboard to see what others think. If meteoclub has an article which *links* to some official data, if the link is specific enough to allow others to read the information, editors might add such official links to our article directly without going through meteoclub at all. EdJohnston (talk) 17:53, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

EdJohnston let's take things from the beginning. My reverts in both articles comes from a clear understanding that meteoclub is a reliable source. How exactly is it a personal opinion when the article on Kasos clearly references the HNMS data department and the Gkouvas (2012) equation placing Kasos in zone 11b? I strongly urge you to google translate the entire article and read the relevant bits. Here is an extract in Greek:

η Κάσος εμπίπτει στη ζώνη 11b, σύμφωνα με την εξίσωση του Γκουβά (2012)

The above translates roughly that using the Gkouvas (2012) equation, which is specially created for Greece's hardiness zones, Kasos is placed at zone 11b.

And here is the reference list in Greek from that article

ΠΗΓΕΣ

Ε.Μ.Υ - ΔΝΣΗ ΠΑΡΟΧΗΣ ΥΠΗΡΕΣΙΩN

Κλιματικές ζώνες ανθεκτικότητας φυτών της Ελλάδας (Inforest/ Γκουβάς, 2012)

I have been using meteoclub for long time and like I mentioned earlier it is an excellent source with reliable sources on Greece's data. Now it is annoying (very much so), actually bordering a personal attack that both TechnicianGB (talk · contribs) and Average Portuguese Joe suggest that I am either the owner or the writer of the articles. In my opinion, what is happening here is probably a spillover of an argument with a specific Portuguese user in a plant forum here [1]. Please take the time a read it so you will understand. I am user Manos33 (and I think it's fair for me to guess that one of them is user Cluster). As you will notice the only affiliation I have with Meteoclub is that I have nagged them for more than two weeks to look at the data I got from HNMS on Kasos! Occasionally also I had participated in the chat facility of Meteoclub and thats all my affiliation to them. So once the editor of Meteoclub had the HNMS data on Kasos, they decided to research a bit more and produced the article. Now the real question is if the article is a reliable source. An easy way to settle this would be to create a public email account and order the HNMS data for Kasos in order to have the extra verification. The HNMS data on Kasos covers 33 years of data worth. In any case that should be done in case there is consensus Meteoclub and more particularly this article is for some reason not reliable. Like I said many Greek scientists participate in Meteoclub and I understand that both users might not be aware of this as they are not a part of the Greek met community. Finally and just to address TechnicianGB's claims on Commons, I can confirm that I have used pictures from Meteoclub (I took screenshots if I remember correctly) but unfortunately at the time I was not well versed with Commons (well I am still not good at that) and probably claimed wrong authorship, its been so long that I do not remember all the details. Moreover, I take it I am free to blank my talk page in Wikipedia, this is my space on Wikipedia and using the fact that I blank my talk page as an argument of sorts makes no sense. In any case, I will move forward the discussion in the Hardiness Zones article proposing of a public email to verify the HNMS data since both users do not trust me or Meteoclub. Anyway, I am a wikipedia editor 11 years now and I try to be very careful when I use sources and Meteoclub is highly regarded in the Greek met community. Weatherextremes (talk) 13:05, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

I agree with TechnicianGB (talk · contribs) here are my arguments as to why:

• The user claims he is not affiliated with the forum, but not only are his edits made right after a post is made, but he also uploads some of the photos of the website to commons as his own, providing notion, once more that this user might be related or even own the website.
• The user also claims the website is full of meteorologists, physicists, geologists, etc... do I need to say more? These claims are worth nothing and are digging him even deeper.
• Climatologically wise, most of the data, even if it's cited from reliable sources, is not even usable. 10 years or less of data for a climate normal (which is ~30 years) is just absurd, there is no info to how this data is measured (e.g. can be measured in someone's backyard, a strong no no in climatology). The clear discrepancies can be observed when compared to modeled data by HNMS [2] (e.g. While Meteoclub states that Lindos has an average temperature of 21.9°C, HNMS says the temperature in that same area is around 18.5°C)
• It's also funny the user suggests contacting Meteoclub while being accused of owning or being related to that same website. Average Portuguese Joe (talk) 18:11, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

Average Portuguese Joe please see my response above. Also just to comment on the 18.5C mean annual on the same area regarding Lindos. I mean that got me laughing a lot. I understand that you are not aware of Greece's climatology. The HNMS atlas is using the Rhodes city data to plot the same area. We now have the NOA Lindos station data (I suspect we had that exact same conversation in PalmTalk forum) which gives us a clear idea on how hot Lindos is. Virtually beats the warmest areas of the Canary islands. Granted not for 30 years but with an easy edit on the Lindos article we can make it reflect that the statement is true for a specific time period. You know Greece is one of the most complex areas climatologically in the planet for its size. Weatherextremes (talk) 13:17, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

@Weatherextremes: Again, that doesn't explain anything I've just said above. You not only seem to deny data from Greece's official meteorological institute but you also throw random statements without a single credible source to prove them. This is not a blog or forum where you can say whatever you want without a source. This is Wikipedia, so until you find a credible source outside of that forum, with around 30 years of data, and a known, official WMO station, you can not make such claims. I think that is pretty plausible to understand. And instead of emailing Meteoclub, why don't you email HNMS and tell them a little island in the Mediterranean is hotter than Houston Texas in the summer and warmer than the Azores in the winter (and 3°C warmer than other nearby islands)? I have never used (or wrote in) a forum, if that's what you want to know. Average Portuguese Joe (talk) 16:31, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

@Average Portuguese Joe: Yes, I understand it comes as shock, but that's Greece for you. Lindos is renown in the country for being the warmest area nationally. Up until 15 years ago we had anecdotal references from locals and visitors (myself included) about how hot it can get in Lindos compared to the rest of the island but now we have the biggest research institute in the South Europe, the National Observatory of Athens confirming it. It's truly suffocating in the summer due to constant foehn winds blowing almost 24/7 in the SE Rhodes area. Here is an article from a Rhodes newspaper citing the data of the National Observatory of Athens with a title The warmest location of Greece is Lindos [3]. You can also verify the Meteoclub article very simply by running the Lindos data yourself found here: [4] or by using the NOA bulletins [5]. So instead of trying to discredit both the NOA and Meteoclub try reading first a bit. In any case I will take the conversation to Lindos talk page so we will not highjack EdJohnston's talk page. Weatherextremes (talk) 16:50, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

Oh and btw here [6] is that article from NOA itself confirming Lindos is the hottest area of the country Weatherextremes (talk) 17:04, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

User:Weatherextremes, this is fast becoming a conduct problem (on your part) and not a content issue. You may not like our sourcing rules but we do. Admins are allowed to take action in that domain. The next step might be to add meteoclub.gr to the spam blacklist (to prevent its use in articles) but I'll hold off proposing that for the moment. EdJohnston (talk) 17:12, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

Excuse me, but how is it a conduct issue? All the Meteoclub articles are independently veri:fiable as I have suggested both for Kasos but also for Lindos. In fact I suggested that we should make a public email account to take the HNMS data from HNMS's data department (as cited in Meteoclub article). Whereas for Lindos I have provided already 3 links to verify independently the Lindos article from Meteoclub. I am sorry but I am well aware of sources rules and we need to have consensus that Meteoclub is not a reliable source in order to bury it. So, you had suggested that I ask the community feedback on Meteoclub, so I might do that if you insist that the website is not reliable even though I have provided links and ways that can independently verify its content. Weatherextremes (talk) 17:26, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

You are still obliged to follow Wikipedia's sourcing rules even if you can't understand them or choose not to read them. If you actually read WP:RS you would know why writing to meteoclub would make no sense. We depend upon reliably published sources. We don't depend on writing to someone and asking, 'Excuse me sir, how do you know this information?' A reliable source is like a book you can take down from the shelf and read. Or the equivalent on the web, published by a trustworthy entity or author. EdJohnston (talk) 17:33, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

Please do not treat me in a condescending way. I have been an editor 11 years and I understand what a reliable source is. If you actually bothered to read the links I provided for the verification of the Meteoclub article regarding Lindos and the verification proposal for the Kasos article you would see that I strive to uphold the community standards. I will move forward with community wide feedback on Meteoclub since you seem to ignore my answers. Weatherextremes (talk) 07:59, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Is he allowed to blank his talk page even if it contains so recent warnings as well as an admin's message? Just asking, not sure if it's allowed or not. Ed and Joe, I do agree with all you've said and we can even include that site in the unreliable sources list. But at the moment there is a bigger worrying issue. I'll create a sub-section in this talk page. --TechnicianGB (talk) 22:15, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Sockpuppet?

• FactDistributor (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Hello @EdJohnston: a brand new user with a very similar writing style made his first Wikipedia edition coming to my talk page to "teach me" in a very familiar style and then he reverted my edits and added again the meteoclub data in the page Lindos. Same actions as the other user did before, which was firstly a message in someone's talk page or the page's talk page and then doing a revert before even waiting for a reply. In this case it's a brand new user called "FactDistributor" and I have a strong reason to suspect that it might be a sockpuppet not only because of that, but also because of the "fact" thing in his nickname which is a word commonly used by Weatherextremes, so this "FactDistributor" fact thing sounds familiar as well. Also because he made two edits trying to put meteoclub again in Lindos Talk:Lindos saying it's the hottest area in Europe and Greece, and the same day this "new user" came to my talk page to say the same and just the following day, which is today, this brand new account came to add that data again in the Lindos page. Not sure at all if it's the same user or someone else from that meteoclub forum or whatever that site is. But this is way too suspicious. The new user came straight to the same point repeating and doing almost the same stuff. --TechnicianGB (talk) 22:30, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello, I need help with this guy (FactDistributor) he's either a sockpuppet of Weatherextremes or someone coming from that meteoclub site. In any case, he's doing the same again and again. --TechnicianGB (talk) 03:04, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

User:TechnicianGB, you might consider opening an WP:SPI report. EdJohnston (talk) 03:14, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

He has also just broken the Wikipedia:Three-revert rule on the page Lindos as he has manually reverted 3 changes over the past 24 hours. --TechnicianGB (talk) 03:16, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

It takes four reverts to break the 3RR rule. But if nobody else will open the sourcing discussion, why don't you file at WP:RSN to see what others think on whether meteoclub.gr is a reliable source? EdJohnston (talk) 03:19, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Well, I gave him 2 warnings, since he ignored the 1st one I gave him now a level 3 one, I will undo that data on Lindos again and if he re-reverts (I have tried explaining everything in his talk page but it seems we're talking to the same person with a new account) he will break the rule with the 4th edit, as you can see the writing style, wording, and the "fact and educating" thing is the same as Weatherextremes uses. I don't know exactly how to fill the sourcing discussion and the SPI case is really necessary for just a single user? I could open it though. I have seen he has answered below in your talk page just as his first wiki edit was on my talk page so this doesn't seem too common for a "brand new user" I think. He said he didn't add meteoclub.gr as a source but it was literally the first thing he did and repeated in all of his edits. 1 2 3 Maybe a partial block before filling the SPI case would help? Thanks. --TechnicianGB (talk) 03:31, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

I have tried to educate the user with the official data for the Lindos weather station. I am not citing meteoclub but the official weather station http://penteli.meteo.gr/stations/lindos The official data from the last year is http://penteli.meteo.gr/stations/lindos/NOAAPRYR.TXT TechnicianGB is adding unreliable sources that contradict the Greek National weather station. There is only one weather station in Lindos which was set up in April of 2014. I am from Rhodes and I know this place(Lindos) and the weather of the island. Please if you want to challenge my sources analyze all the data from the weather station don't add sources that differ 3 degrees from the official measurements!!!FactDistributor (talk) 03:19, 12 July 2021 (UTC) −FactDistributor (talk) 03:19, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello User:FactDistributor. In this edit you appeared to restore meteoclub.gr to the Lindos article after it had been removed by others. Are you also a fan of meteoclub? EdJohnston (talk) 03:24, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello User:EdJohnston

I only reverted back meteoclub because it was citing the official weather station of Lindos. I am not a fan of meteoclub. I have gone through all the results of the official weather station and they were correct. I had written both in my edits and in his talk page the sources I gave you and he simply ignored them. If the comparison with Teneriffe seems to be the problem I can remove it but as far as the data goes the numbers are good. Lindos is famous for being really hot amongst anyone who visited Rhodes and Lindos. I know to some this might seem far fetched but this is why the weather box describing Lindos's climate contains these sources to the official weather station. I can also remove as a source meteoclub altogether (and leave only http://penteli.meteo.gr/stations/lindos) but since I verified their numbers I don't see the reason.FactDistributor (talk) 03:36, 12 July 2021 (UTC) The only

1 2 3 putting another link with 1 year of data doesn't exactly prove the fact you've used meteoclub.gr again as a source after being specifically told that it's not a reliable source. And you did it 3 times. And you didn't wait for any reply to revert.

As a "new user" you came exactly to edit my talk page and a page the other user also disagreed with which gives 2 options, you're the same or you're a member of that meteoclub forum. --TechnicianGB (talk) 03:31, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

I didn't ignore anything. It's simply that the page you claim now: http://penteli.meteo.gr/stations/lindos/ barely shows some 2021 and 2020 data, how does that exactly back up anything from meteoclub.gr (a website you said you didn't use but you used it in your first edit as seen above) while also using the same text from that site. How are you not a fan of meteoclub.gr if your first Wikipedia edit has been on my talk page to later re-add again that meteoclub data to the page Lindos because I deleted it 2 days ago, data which was only added before by the user Weatherextremes, is there some kind of spiritual connection between you two to know where a Wikipedia page gets modified? And then you came to write exactly the same stuff as the other user? If you're not the same (which I clearly think you are and I'm not the only one, most likely) you've come from that meteoclub.gr site because that guy probably contacted other members of the site as he said he will do yesterday. --TechnicianGB (talk) 03:46, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello User:TechnicianGB

I don't care about meteoclub really. I can remove it, the main source is http://penteli.meteo.gr/stations/lindos. If the problem is the article of meteoclub that is comparing it to Tenerrife then I can edit

the description but even if meteoclub is unreliable, for this particular article it seemed accurate enough at least regarding Lindos ( I went through all the numbers myself). I did the edit because even if meteoclub is bad (?) you added sources that are not for Lindos and are nearly 3 degrees off.

@FactDistributor: Look. As Average Portuguese Joe said above (another user who's an expert in editing climate-related articles) climate normals are made up of 30-years of official data, 20 years at least to be taken into consideration, and that doesn't appear in your website that shows a weather station with the current weather, the last week's weather or 2020-2021 data. Also, that doesn't prove anything from meteoclub.gr and you know it as well. There isn't any problem with mentioning Tenerife or whatever, it's that you're adding the text of meteoclub.gr which is clearly unsourced. The penteli-meteo source is ok but it only shows 2020 data and the first 6 months of 2021 so 1 year and a half of data is again not acceptable. You can use your Wikipedia:Sandbox for such data, but not an article. Also, it's a bit strange how you directly made your account yesterday to come to revert something I've changed 2 days ago where another Greek user was involved. But whatever.

Also as said by the same user cited above, the official greek HNMS page shows a mean temp of around 18.5ºC in southern Rhodes where Lindos is located, maybe an unofficial rooftop station can be warmer than that, but in any case it wouldn't be +3.5ºC warmer than the official data. For this reason there isn't any reliable source backing up the data shown in meteoclub.gr except for meteoclub.gr itself. --TechnicianGB (talk) 03:59, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Copyrighted images uploaded at Commons claiming wrong authorship and no sources as well

Related with the user Weatherextremes as well. Since the user is claiming he's not the one writing the blog entries in that website (albeit after the website gets updated, in barely few hours he comes to Wikipedia to put that data, but let's use the "trustful" card) there are some images uploaded by the same user in Commons claiming it's his own work (pics taken off meteoclub.gr) when just above he has said he only uses data from that site as he "is not even a member there" so all of these added images to Wikipedia Commons don't have the proper Author and Source then, as in all pages he claims he's the author and the source for all of these images. https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:ListFiles/Weatherextremes&ilshowall=1 so then all of these images should be removed because he doesn't hold the authorship for them. Am I wrong? Also that "Greece Köppen climate map" is the standard map coming from the Köppen climate classification guide which has real copyright. --TechnicianGB (talk) 16:47, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

Edit warring at Germanic peoples

• Germanic peoples (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
• Sonnenrage (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
• Tristenschaible (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Hi Ed, we've been having trouble with a new edit warring editor and various ips at this article, who insists on imposing their preferred version of the article, regardless of consensus or the lack of it. It appears that editor Sonnenrage may be abusing his account with sockpuppets and proxied ips. He has engaged on the talk page, but there he's making comments such as "You are not honest" and "Once again, you are acting in bad faith."

He has commented most egregiously with this edit on his talk page after receiving a warning from another editor, in which he added the words: "You are criminal, traitor, enemy. You are worthless as a human being. You think you are a defender of culture? But you are ready to destroy everything that doesn't go your way. You are a liar. Deceiver. You are an enemy of freedom and truth. Oppressor. Karma will catch up with you, don't doubt it." Carlstak (talk) 02:42, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

Wow! I have blocked Sonnenrage 48 hours for the personal attacks and applied a month of semiprotection to Germanic peoples. I will let User:Tristenschaible know they have been discussed here. The sanctions of WP:ARBEE apply to this article. EdJohnston (talk) 03:03, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, Ed. Carlstak (talk) 13:57, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

Request for reduction in protection level

Hi EdJohnston,

The page named Rajput is under "Extended confirmed protection" for a long time (last time, you increased its semi-protection level). Due to this, a very few users can edit this page and experienced users with 500+ edits have a monopoly over the page. I found that there is some scope for improvement in the article. Therefore, I request you to reduce the level of page protection to semi-protection so that inexperienced users can also make contributions to the page. Dympies (talk) 01:58, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

Articles about clans castes are often subjected to caste boosterism and promotional editing. The WP:ECP protection is a good way to keep this activity in check, since it ensures that edits are made by people with knowledge of Wikipedia standards. The EC protection is placed under the authority of WP:ARBIPA. If you believe you can offer something to the Rajput article, please make a proposal at Talk:Rajput. If you wish, you can use the {{Edit extended-protected}} template there to get the attention of an experienced editor to make the change for you. EdJohnston (talk) 02:52, 8 July 2021 (UTC)